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in industry we strived time and again to get user groups to agree amongst themselves how gui's should look without success in order to keep down the size of the code base....cos often we ended doing 'one offs' to keep a particular happy.
om I'm not asking to change the GUI too what I think it should be, just showing how inconstant the program is between the "Minimal, Normal & DAW plugin modes are" and again this happens if you use more than 1 screen. What I think would be best is to have BiaB work the same between all modes and and other screens. It's really fixing (I do not call it bugs) some inconstancy's. Even the Guitar neck has problems, I did find that if selected as left hand, there is no problems. I'm Left handed, but I like the Right hand view better! Just checking Realband out, I also find that some of what Realband has, should be in BiaB. For example I like the mixer in Realband better than BiaB's mixer. Robert 
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Going between the "Minimal, Normal & DAW plugin modes" you see at the bottom they you do not get a scroll bar to move the program to see the hidden icons. If you watch the top of the video, you will see that only the normal layout will provide you with a drop down menu of the icons. the other two (Minimal & DAW) do not. Hence, you loose access to them. Also notice where the menu open at! ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/C7gbM8X.gif) Robert
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Oh yes, I watched your video and I see the problem.
My two monitors are different sizes and resolutions, and a few software programs react badly if I drag a window from one to another. They don’t recognize the new screen’s size and screen dimension.
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There are easy ways to do things with AutoHotkey, you can make GUIs to control any function of Biab with, tabs, menus, toolbars, image buttons etc.. or you can wait another 10 years for PG to do it. Suggestion seem to come easy and are implemented easy in the BB Plugin/Plugin Standalone GUI than trying to get improvements in the old Delphi Biab GUI, see Back To The Drawing Board https://stash.reaper.fm/v/46803/AHK-Scripts.zipThanks, Musocity! I'm not expecting things to change quickly, due to what I might say. Just pointing out inconstant workings & quirks with BiaB. My findings, come from working how to best setup BiaB for mt use. In other words, I try to work with what I got. I've come from that DAW land myself. Robert
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Musocity, I see from your video, that tab 5 shows some layouts! Q 1) By layouts, does that mean that I can place the windows where I want them and save them as layouts to recall when I need them? Robert
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I love that Biab skin you have !
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I love that Biab skin you have ! Love your comment, made me look deeper into the skin. I see that there are many things I could change, only if it was theme-able like the DAW we use. When I find the link where I got it, I will post it. The name is "Large Color on Dark Gray", you may find it on a search. I also did some color changes, now I may do more. Here is how sheet music looks now. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/6gxEh50.png) Thanks, Robert
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Musocity, I see from your video, that tab 5 shows some layouts! Q 1) By layouts, does that mean that I can place the windows where I want them and save them as layouts to recall when I need them? Robert Yes you can make any layout you like. I made that skin some years ago, it may have been under pipeline user name, may have to update it for the new buttons added since. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29657&filename=BB25-AHK-Layouts.gif) You set it in the script to open a window then resize and position it: Layout1:
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So.... If I use AutoHotkey, I could Display the BiaB Minimal and have AutoHotkey to setup the missing functions that are not there in there own toolbar? P.S.: I actually like BiaB icons better, than the skin I'm using. Now I just need to darken the backgrounds some. Robert
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To go back to original request...
While the autokey is a fun DIY project, that could very well work for some,
I believe the UI / Workflow is a final frontier for BIAB. Making UI and tools fully modular with pallet (panel) snap options will not only make program more appealing to younger audience, but would serve everybody equally well, as people would be able to use templates or arrange and save workspace and tools any way they want.
For example, not only the size, position and color could play a role, but also "complexity". To those with modest tasks a theme with less options/buttons, to more advanced users - full feature UI.
I imagine, it's not an easy task. However, I think there is a way to test concept on a smaller scale. For example, expand on idea of Tabbed MTP. In 2025 some new tools were added to tabbed block. Which would be OK, if you - as a user would be able to detach each tool, use it as it's own entity or simply don't display it. Personally, I would very unlikely use Lyrics or Splitter tabs, so in ideal world, I would detach, close them and save workspace. Another example that I keep on suggesting is have an option to remove Radio Bar. I have never used it, nor I ever will, yet it's there, starring at me for years.
Looking at bigger picture, some existing tools, such as Settings at the bar, Shots/Holds/Rests etc. could be made in such "detachable" tab panels and a user would be able to assemble their own tab clusters, or use particular panel by itself. But again, the key is to make UI fully modular.
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Hi Misha,
On some of my software I have the option to right click on the tool bar(s) and select or deselect what options I want to view in the tool bar(s). Would something like this work for you? I know it would work for me.
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I thought Mario would say "give it a total re-write" The Biab GUI has been the most talked about, complained about and changed. Here's another idea: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29672&filename=BB2007-Custom.gif)
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Mario, I am not too worried about myself and BIAB. It fused on me to the point of acceptance, but it took years. Just trying to suggest a universal approach on UI, so if it's done right, it could be put to rest, or edited only with minor changes. Yes, right click as you describe would work in some places, like Radio Bar, but panel tool are a bit different. A behavior similar to this:
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It seems to be an endless pursuit, always changing with this new function that new function, If after all those years it's still not right, maybe that's the point in design ! so each year you need to buy it because of new features rather the great content ! Will it EVER be right ? does it need to go full circle to keep the interest up ? Look at EZDrummer how long it went just the same before another version and they concentrated just on great content.
What year will Biab finally be right, 5, 10, 20 years from now ?
That's why I like to focus on the BB Plugin/Plugin Standalone and get an EZBiab that will just work like EZDrummer has for years n years without change, keep it simple without a million features being constantly built upon, you can use the current features in your DAW, without trying to make Biab into a half baked DAW. It would be the worst thing for the Plugin to go the same road of constantly adding features to sell it, sell the great content !
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I am 90% happy with functions BIAB has to offer. I am not happy how little is invested in workflow and UI.
P.S. I am tired of BS "Don't make BIAB into a DAW". It had DAW features for years! My point is, make those same features a pleasure to use. UI + Workflow.
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... make those same features a pleasure to use. UI + Workflow. My thoughts are that there are missed opportunities to improve the user interface, reduce complexity, and enhance workflow.
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I think it needs some more concept videos, as that bought about a big change last time.
I showed the Biab 2007 how it has moveable toolbars along with be able to choose the icons you want, why was that got rid of ?
I go to a lot of trouble to create up pics and videos with examples, like more tracks and automation lanes in Biab in a Tracks window, that's not stopping it becoming like a DAW, as this is what I heard users asking for. I don't try and stop anything be added to Biab, when I hear users asking I try and come up with ways it can be implemented. I support other users with whatever they want, I come up with scripts they can use until PG implement, or don't. It's good to have an alternative, isn't it ?
As I said I'm not interested in using Biab for myself. I remember asking PG to add users to the beta testing because they had a lot of good ideas, I didn't ask for anyone to be blocked or argue against their ideas. It's strange that many of them gave me a hard time without knowing the story.
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imho the big opportunity with bb is the new tracks view. i can live with the gui.
but what bugs me compared to rb is i can do all sorts of editing of tracks in rb tracks view but not in bb tracks view. to do editing in bb i have to jump around too darn much within the app.
i really wish pg would do an experiment and ask for all users desires re gui's.
from my experience as a dev in industry turf battles occurred but what the hey at least if some commonality could be realised in the user community then they could at least say like we used to do to our users 'well heck you signed off on the gui'.
seriously when it comes to gui's...lol its like herding cats and the developer is on a hiding to nothing imho.
you wouldnt believe the battle royals we used to see in industry. no matter what we did one department or user group couldnt be satisfied.
so my recommendation to pg is to have a user 'town hall'.
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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