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Will the AI refuse to give me an answer? When it doesn't, it is trying to comply with rules, laws, treaties and potential liability issues that have yet to be properly defined. let alone worked out. The major players are the US, UK, EU and Japan. There are many minor players and I consult to a few. The Librarian of Congress set many things in motion when she made a ruling that allowed the SAG and WGA strikes to be settled last year. The question of "Who owns what?" is the helicopter issue that hovers over everything.
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I am so happy I am not a gansta rapper.
This stuff above makes me wanna take a napper.
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If a rapper releases a song using David's lyrics, his song is guaranteed to fail big time, no one would ever care about it, just like how a Disney movie flop in the box office. I am no expert on rap but if a rapper releases a song that AI wrote for them seems like that is an instant fail regardless, right? Kinda like an upper-class white kid rapping about how tough his shift was at Old Navy!
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JJJ,
I had to try it. AI generated lyrics about a white middle-class kid rapping about his tough shift at Old Navy:
Yo, I clock in at nine, pull up in my khakis,
Old Navy uniform, but I’m feelin’ kinda wack, see.
I’m stackin’ jeans, foldin’ shirts, it’s a game,
Tryna keep my cool, but man, it’s all the same.
I’m on the floor, breakin’ my back for the pay,
The line’s wrapped ‘round the corner, customers delay.
"Can you help me find this? Can you check that size?"
I’m just tryna make it through, I’m seein’ all these eyes.
Grabbing carts in the lot, feelin’ like a champ,
Runnin' back inside ‘cause my hands are full of stamps.
My feet hurt, back sore, I need a break,
But they got me runnin' ‘round like it’s an all-day race.
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Awesome Misha! Maybe MusicVillain can rap this!
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I am very disappointed.
The lyrics generated by David Cuny, is not a gangster style rap song, but a self-righteous virtue signaling woke garbage.
... Seeing we're concerned about correctness, copyright, etc, if I understand correctly, David did not generate those lyrics. AI generated the lyrics, David just posted them.
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Post removed by moderator Honestly, your inappropriately explicit posts make me wish the PGM forum had filtering like the AI you are complaining about!
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I have to agree with you JJJ, When this guy asks,
"Does AI stand for "Artificial Intelligence", or "Autism Imbecile"?
Personally as a parent of a teenager with Autism and Learning needs I find that highly offensive.
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Honestly, your inappropriately explicit posts make me wish the PGM forum had filtering like the AI you are complaining about! We do, it's just that we have to manually add words to the filter. We've added a few more. Forgive the pun, but we want to keep these forums fairly PG.
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Forgive the pun, but we want to keep these forums fairly PG. Groooooaaaan. That was a good one.
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I'd like to clarify to the forum moderator, the main purpose of my posts, was to discuss the ideaology of "anti-boring" with David Cuny. The censored example was just a way of testing AI, which I will manually delete for NSFW reasons. Let's have another look at your first post: As a user who regularly composes rap songs with NSFW lyrics, such as gangsters, crimes, guns, sex, drugs, politicians, etc, will PG Music eventually ban me from using this AI feature on their server? No. There is no "morals clause" to the use of the AI feature. Should I buy Band-in-a-Box 2025? If the features in the 2025 edition are worth your money, yes. Is this new AI Lyrics feature rapper friendly? BiaB uses ChatGPT for the AI service. You've already noted that ChatGPT is not "rapper friendly". The topics that you write about - gangsters, crimes, guns, sex, drugs and politicians - are not censored by ChatGPT. What is censored is "NSFW lyrics" - for example, lyrics that are sexually explicit or ultra-violent. You say that you're discussing the ideology of "anti-boring", but based on what you've posted as examples, the goal is to create lyrics that shock and offend. I'd hardly call the group of people on this forum a "woke mob", and you've seen the reaction to your posting NSFW songs, with lyrics and topics intended to shock and offend sensibilities. Why would you expect any different reaction from companies trying to make a profit on a service? What benefit is there to them for having their products create materials that would be considered inappropriate and offensive?
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David,
You probably didn't have a chance to read my last post before it was gone. I was referring "woke mobs", not to anyone on this forum, but to those million dollars net worth AI company executives in California, for their bullying behaviors on censoring free speech and violation of first amendment.
In my last post, I was simply arguing: If Freddie Mercury can point a bullet launching device to someone's head, pull the activating mechanism, in his song "Bohemian Rhapsody", and achieve great success, why can't I point the same device, to the head of a Russian Whoquer? Why is modern AI so bigot towards rapping culture?
The lyrics I shared in my last post, generated by a 7 billion parameter Facebook Llama model, should not be labeled as "inappropriate and offensive", but really should be considered as "work ethic". In case you don't know, a successful gangsta rapper must keep a strong "work ethic", to ensure every song he releases includes crimes, eroticism, addictive chemicals, launching devices, and violence.
The most offensive and unethical thing, for a gangsta rapper to do, is writing boring lyrics, and ruining the experience of your audiences.
Ask yourself, imagine all of a sudden, James Bond has a self-righteous spiritual awakening, and decides to stop killing people or sleeping with Bond girls, will you still be interested in watching his movies anymore?
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We do, it's just that we have to manually add words to the filter. We've added a few more.
Forgive the pun, but we want to keep these forums fairly PG. Speaking of pun, I agree with Simon here. PG forum should never become Twitter, or Reddit, it should remain as a PG forum, not an X forum, or an R forum.
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You probably didn't have a chance to read my last post before it was gone. I was referring "woke mobs", not to anyone on this forum, but to those million dollars net worth AI company executives in California, for their bullying behaviors on censoring free speech and violation of first amendment. I read all your posts before they were removed. First of all, what the companies are doing is not "censoring free speech and violation of first amendment". The First Amendment to the US Constitution states: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. This only applies to laws passed by the US Congress, not corporations. Corporations are free to create whatever restrictions they want. Even given this, the US Courts have found that not all free speech is protected by the First Amendment. Exceptions are made for: - True threats (speech that could be perceived as an immediate threat to someone's safety)
- Obscenity and child pornography
- Speech that incites imminent lawless action
Finally, there aren't "mobs" of CEOs. The term "woke mobs" refers to groups of people to put pressure on others - in this case, the US public demanding that CEOs implement censorship in AI. I was drawing an analogy to people demanding AIs not generate obscenity with those same forces here on this forum complaining about you posting what they considered to be obscenities. If your measure of "wokeness" is that they demand censorship of obscenities, by implication the people on this forum are equally "woke" in demanding censorship when you write the same offensive materials here. I argue that neither are "woke". The creation of material that is offensive will, by defniition, generate that response. In my last post, I was simply arguing: If Freddie Mercury can point a bullet launching device to someone's head, pull the activating mechanism, in his song "Bohemian Rhapsody", and achieve great success, why can't I point the same device, to the head of a Russian Whoquer? First things first - there is nothing preventing you from writing the lyrics yourself, just like Freddy did. After all, he didn't use AI, did he? The lyric in "Bohemian Rhapsody" can reasonably be considered offensive. After all, it's there for shock value. But the context is entirely different - it's an over-the-top opera, a parody. Many critics at the time very much disliked "Bohemian Rhapsody". They considered it too long, and too over the top. You complain that AI won't give the sort of detail to lyrics that gangsta rap demands. In your example, you explain that it's important that AI be able to generate salacious content. - It's not just some random person who was shot, it's a prostitute.
- But "prostitute" is too tame a term - the AI must be able to generate a slur.
- And singer has to brag he's had s** with her, too!
- And not just any sort act, but one that degrades, objectifies and shows masculine dominance.
By doing this, you are ensuring that you'll offend as much of the general public as possible. Certainly the reaction on the forum - which we agree is not a "woke mob" - demonstrates this. The song is designed to offend the general audience, and thus never reach the sort of "great success" that "Bohemian Rhapsody" achieved. Why is modern AI so bigot towards rapping culture? Because rapping culture is based on creating lyrics that are intended to offend. If you create material that is intentionally offensive, it's reasonable to expect people to be offended. Modern AI isn't a "bigot" to rapping culture. AI censors offensive output. Rapping culture is built on writing offensive lyrics. The conflict comes from rapping culture, not the other way around. The lyrics I shared in my last post, generated by a 7 billion parameter Facebook Llama model, should not be labeled as "inappropriate and offensive", but really should be considered as "work ethic". In case you don't know, a successful gangsta rapper must keep a strong "work ethic", to ensure every song he releases includes crimes, eroticism, addictive chemicals, launching devices, and violence. You've already stated that gangsta rap lyrics are NSFW - another term for "inappropriate". While some people claim that gangsta rap glorifies a work ethic, the work it glorifies must also be taken into account. A work ethic promoting violence, drug use, and glorifying the gang lifestyle is one that promotes activities that are understood to be offensive. The most offensive and unethical thing, for a gangsta rapper to do, is writing boring lyrics, and ruining the experience of your audiences. Gangsta rap is a sub-genre of hip-hop. It's a niche market that by your own definition aims to create lyrics which are offensive to the average person on the street. Just because there's a market for something - for example, snuff films - doesn't change the fact that the material is offensive. Ask yourself, imagine all of a sudden, James Bond has a self-righteous spiritual awakening, and decides to stop killing people or sleeping with Bond girls, will you still be interested in watching his movies anymore? That's an interesting comparison, but I think it strengthens my argument instead of weakening it. Certainly, Bond films are have gratuitous sex and violence. But they are carefully crafted to stay within the range of publicly accepted norms. After all, the films go before review boards, and for the sake of reaching a large audience, they need to achieve a PG-13 rating. They intentionally perform self-censorship, although many have rightly argued they push the envelope and should be rated higher than PG-13. In contrast, you create lyrics that insist on going outside these norms, and you chafe at any sort of censorship. While you have every right to do that, you don't have any sort of right to expect that corporations or the general public will take any action to assist you. After all, your lyrics as designed to offend.
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You probably didn't have a chance to read my last post before it was gone. I was referring "woke mobs", not to anyone on this forum, but to those million dollars net worth AI company executives in California, for their bullying behaviors on censoring free speech and violation of first amendment. I read all your posts before they were removed. First of all, what the companies are doing is not "censoring free speech and violation of first amendment". The First Amendment to the US Constitution states: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. This only applies to laws passed by the US Congress, not corporations. Corporations are free to create whatever restrictions they want. Even given this, the US Courts have found that not all free speech is protected by the First Amendment. Exceptions are made for: - True threats (speech that could be perceived as an immediate threat to someone's safety)
- Obscenity and child pornography
- Speech that incites imminent lawless action
Finally, there aren't "mobs" of CEOs. The term "woke mobs" refers to groups of people to put pressure on others - in this case, the US public demanding that CEOs implement censorship in AI. I was drawing an analogy to people demanding AIs not generate obscenity with those same forces here on this forum complaining about you posting what they considered to be obscenities. If your measure of "wokeness" is that they demand censorship of obscenities, by implication the people on this forum are equally "woke" in demanding censorship when you write the same offensive materials here. I argue that neither are "woke". The creation of material that is offensive will, by defniition, generate that response. In my last post, I was simply arguing: If Freddie Mercury can point a bullet launching device to someone's head, pull the activating mechanism, in his song "Bohemian Rhapsody", and achieve great success, why can't I point the same device, to the head of a Russian Whoquer? First things first - there is nothing preventing you from writing the lyrics yourself, just like Freddy did. After all, he didn't use AI, did he? The lyric in "Bohemian Rhapsody" can reasonably be considered offensive. After all, it's there for shock value. But the context is entirely different - it's an over-the-top opera, a parody. Many critics at the time very much disliked "Bohemian Rhapsody". They considered it too long, and too over the top. You complain that AI won't give the sort of detail to lyrics that gangsta rap demands. In your example, you explain that it's important that AI be able to generate salacious content. - It's not just some random person who was shot, it's a prostitute.
- But "prostitute" is too tame a term - the AI must be able to generate a slur.
- And singer has to brag he's had s** with her, too!
- And not just any sort act, but one that degrades, objectifies and shows masculine dominance.
By doing this, you are ensuring that you'll offend as much of the general public as possible. Certainly the reaction on the forum - which we agree is not a "woke mob" - demonstrates this. The song is designed to offend the general audience, and thus never reach the sort of "great success" that "Bohemian Rhapsody" achieved. Why is modern AI so bigot towards rapping culture? Because rapping culture is based on creating lyrics that are intended to offend. If you create material that is intentionally offensive, it's reasonable to expect people to be offended. Modern AI isn't a "bigot" to rapping culture. AI censors offensive output. Rapping culture is built on writing offensive lyrics. The conflict comes from rapping culture, not the other way around. The lyrics I shared in my last post, generated by a 7 billion parameter Facebook Llama model, should not be labeled as "inappropriate and offensive", but really should be considered as "work ethic". In case you don't know, a successful gangsta rapper must keep a strong "work ethic", to ensure every song he releases includes crimes, eroticism, addictive chemicals, launching devices, and violence. You've already stated that gangsta rap lyrics are NSFW - another term for "inappropriate". While some people claim that gangsta rap glorifies a work ethic, the work it glorifies must also be taken into account. A work ethic promoting violence, drug use, and glorifying the gang lifestyle is one that promotes activities that are understood to be offensive. The most offensive and unethical thing, for a gangsta rapper to do, is writing boring lyrics, and ruining the experience of your audiences. Gangsta rap is a sub-genre of hip-hop. It's a niche market that by your own definition aims to create lyrics which are offensive to the average person on the street. Just because there's a market for something - for example, snuff films - doesn't change the fact that the material is offensive. Ask yourself, imagine all of a sudden, James Bond has a self-righteous spiritual awakening, and decides to stop killing people or sleeping with Bond girls, will you still be interested in watching his movies anymore? That's an interesting comparison, but I think it strengthens my argument instead of weakening it. Certainly, Bond films are have gratuitous sex and violence. But they are carefully crafted to stay within the range of publicly accepted norms. After all, the films go before review boards, and for the sake of reaching a large audience, they need to achieve a PG-13 rating. They intentionally perform self-censorship, although many have rightly argued they push the envelope and should be rated higher than PG-13. In contrast, you create lyrics that insist on going outside these norms, and you chafe at any sort of censorship. While you have every right to do that, you don't have any sort of right to expect that corporations or the general public will take any action to assist you. After all, your lyrics as designed to offend. Well said David! I might add that when you post obviously offensive stuff and then later post it again to make your case, you're a troll too!
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Sometimes lyric intent comes into play also.
Bohemian Rhapsody is lamenting killing a man, and facing the consequences.. not glorifying it as a way of life.
Much different.
Just my nickel's worth, trying to address the topic
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We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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