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musocity, you are an interesting character. By helping someone or imagining that you are helping someone you think you are entitled to insult people left and right?
I mentioned this publicly on several occasions, but if it will make you blush, here we go again: I thank you for showing me how to use Chord Track with plugins a few years ago.
Having said that, I don't appreciate your unjustified sarcasm toward me or AudioTrack.
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You have to have debate for things to get better, just disagreeing with ideas put forth won't help, come up with an alternative solution/idea. You don't want to settle back in, and just take what is given without discussion. Protectionism won't allow the apps to get better. I say a lot of things that may offend some but you now have better apps through all that, I do it for one reason only, because I love the PG apps, I would go out of my way to help anyone here, I have done that so many times, above and beyond. So you see how I go off when users knock things without understanding or coming up with a better solution and a thorough investigation. I come up with so many ideas through Reaper, but users hate to hear that word and don't realize they have what they have now because of it. RDS = Reaper Derangement Syndrome, this blocks clear and rational thinking.
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If Peter had known some music theory, he would realize the fact that solo based RTs do not work the same way as the rhythm based RTs. Just to state the obvious because it seems to have been overlooked... It is Peter Gannon's comprehensive understanding of music that has taken BIAB from his inventing of it to the amazing product that it is today. His knowledge in the theory and behaviour of music is very, very sound. Your comment is not justified.
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...Having said that, I don't appreciate your unjustified sarcasm toward me or AudioTrack. "Export To DAW" If you want the midi chord notes split at each chord name just drag it into Reaper then make an hotkey action "Mover to next Marker, Split Midi" you can then drop it back into Biab. Hmmmm. That seems to presume that users all have Reaper ? WTF DrDan uses Reaper ! Why run Reaper down and not virtual instruments on midi chord track, it would be a total different story if you saw the posts and started using Reaper, how is it any different ? Reaper is Evil and Midi Chord Track with Virtual Instruments is Godly ?
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This thread is just way too bizarre for me...
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An unnecessary, incredibly subjective and derogatory comment. Please refrain. Guys! There are some misunderstandings going on here! What I meant was: Peter Gannon is a person who knows music theory, and he definitely has realized the splicing problem on Soloist tracks. If it's his idea to protect the ST2/XT2 mapping files from legit user base, then I would disagree with him.Let's be honest, one of my biggest complaints last year, was that Peter knows too much music theory, and he puts hundreds of music related options and settings in one software, makes it intimidating for the young people. I would never say Peter doesn't know music theory, because I don't believe it either. I made a clarification in this post. Please read it. https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=833430#Post833430This thread is about finding a solution on technical issues. It never meant to be a post criticizing people for lack of knowledge.
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This will let you manually enter each chord: https://stash.reaper.fm/v/47371/ReaTrak-insert-media-cue-to-selected-item-active-take-wav-source-file.zipLeave a blank name to remove cue at cursor. You can set an action key to run the script. They will be written permanently in the wav file and show in Reaper each time you load the wav. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29409&filename=Reaper-Cue-01.png) ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29411&filename=Reaper-Cue-02.png) ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29410&filename=Reaper-Cue-03.png) ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29412&filename=Reaper-Cue-04.png) Run Action > Theme development: Show theme tweak/configuration window search for media item label font to change cues font, search for marker to change color. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29413&filename=Reaper-Media-Item-Label-Font.png)
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You can do this all in the Plugin as I noticed there is Avoid Transpositions in the Song Settings: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29414&filename=BB25-Plugin-Song-Settings.png)
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In addition, it's quite untrue. Peter Gannon has an excellent knowledge of music theory. Yes, please consider your words more carefully. Yes, that's the point I was hoping to make. It's very unreasonable to make derogatory comments, without ever knowing the skills and qualifications of the person that is being specifically identified. Very poor indeed.
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Musocity, let me say this.
If Peter Gannon is the founder of a nation, then you are a finder of a state.
When a power user like me in this forum reaches the bottleneck, instead of waiting five years for a software update, people can always expect you to "find" a workaround, to have their problems solved in five days.
I have two requests for you.
1. Consider renaming your scripts to shorter names, with two or three words only. It helps the users.
Imagine if Peter Gannon name his software to:
"Band-in-a-chord-sheet-generates-audio-from-prerecorded-realtracks.exe"
How confusing users would be, everytime they download, install, and run this software?
2. Image is your best friend. Everytime when you posted something with a GIF attached, it confused the heck outta me.
Your last post, on manual cueing, with only texts and still images, worked so well, and I was able to fully understand what you wanted to deliver.
I hope you will write a new post, in the same fashion, on how auto cueing and reverse engineering work.
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I suspect, in my picture, the .bt1 files, are indeed the "chord chart". I just need a software/code/script to open the file and see inside. I suspect that .ST2 and .XT2 files in \bb\soloists contain information that drives the chord map for the dicing and splicing of the Realtracks. I'm guessing that PG Music keep this information restricted to protect their product and safeguard their intellectual property. This
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On the planet earth, why have I got to be the only one that scripts things up for Biab/Plugin/Reaper ?? Most users in the Reaper forum can script things, so it isn't hard to learn. There are other guys here that do programming for a living like AudioTrack, then we would have to wait years for things to be implemented, anyone can learn Lua or AHK scripting compared with other complex programming languages. Before you install the script just rename to whatever you like. If you have https://reapack.com/ installed most scripts have a unique name as there are thousands of them and looking through the list you see what it does. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29417&filename=Reaper-Reapack.png) ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29418&filename=Reaper-Regions-Cues-01.png) ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29420&filename=Reaper-Regions-Cues-03.png) ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29421&filename=Reaper-Regions-Cues-04.png)
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You can create Custom Actions and add a series of scripts and actions: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29422&filename=Reaper-Custom-Actions.png)
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If I select Edit Action/Script I can see the programming, I can get the ID of action or script by right click. By looking at how scripts work you learn how to make your own, you can copy sections out of other scripts to make your own. Here are the API used to create scripts, the C++ ones are used by the JUCE BB Plugin to integrate Reaper https://www.extremraym.com/cloud/reascript-doc/In the script it's just getting the current toggle state, and if it's off then turn it on: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29423&filename=Reaper-Edit-Script-Get-ID.png)
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Musocity,
In your last post:
Are you able to write cue markers to a FLAC file?
Also, if ag5077 is the file you want to add cues, your sgu track is full of other useless files such as 5092, 5095, etc, taking up a lot of spaces, causing an efficiency problem of ag5077.
What if you Ctrl+X and cut all ag files out, leaving only ag5077 inside the RealTrack folder?
When you use BiaB to generate a soloist track, is it going to:
a) break the software, causing errors.
b) bingo! BiaB only generates a track only from ag5077, and nothing else.
Which one?
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Musocity,
Let's talk about this "hiding" method.
First, you move everything out of the RT folder, except for ag5077.wav.
Then in BiaB, you generate a solo track, freeze it.
Then, you turn on Audio Edit Window in BiaB, you will see many parts of the audio are empty gaps.
You select these gaps, use Alt+F8, to regen a few times, until you can see the wavform.
You do this to fill all the empty gaps in the audio. Then save the sgu.
Load it to Reaper, and do your cueing.
This will be much more efficient, than your previous method.
Try it, and let me know how it goes.
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The data is generated up using ST2 XT2 and references the wav/wma files. If you remove the other wma and wav from the folder and back them up elsewhere it will just have empty items in Reaper with missing media and only load the media that is there. Biab may or may not get an error, you can just try. You can only write cue points into wav files, once done in wav you can then write them in flac as take markers but these are not stored in the flac file only in Reaper. You can create a midi file of the same name with chord markers that can be stored in the RealTrack folder, if you then load both files into reaper the midi markers can be transferred into the flac/wma file as take markers. Both cue points or midi markers can be copied from an item as Regions or Markers.
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Biab will still use all the agxxx files to regen sections. You just need to keep generating until Biab has used all the sections from ag5077 You can use Melodyne to convert the ag5077 to midi then put in Rapidcomposer to see what riffs fit what chords.
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It's time to put an end to this drama.
1. Peter Gannon Peter simply doesn't want to share ST2/XT2 info with his users.
There is no expectation for him to come up with anything in the future.
2. Musocity Musocity has a legit method of extracting ST2/XT2 info from generated audio, but only limited to generated audio.
Using his method involves endless times of regeneration, which is time consuming and impractical.
3. MusicVillain MusicVillain comes up with his own solution. However, his solution requires a user with high level skills in music theories.
First, listen to the Soloist RealTrack in a DAW, identify non-diatonic notes being played, and cut off the bars contain these notes. This step requires in-depth musical skills.
Then, use diatonic chords to fit the cut/trimmed RealTrack, take some guess work, making minor changes on the chords if necessary, and it will work.
Conclusion Band-in-a-Box is the war to end all wars. It has the best guitar soloist tracks among all VST soundbanks in the production industry. Nothing ever comes close.
It is an insult to Brent Mason's reputation, when BiaB splices his top notch recordings into random pieces, and then re-join the pieces into a mediocre solo track.
I hope this thread can still be found on the internet, after many years from today, when the young generation users want to make BiaB great again.
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What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-9 includes 900 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). With over 3,500 styles (and 35 MIDI styles) included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-20, the possibilities are endless!
Get the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Get Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 19 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!
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