One of the most powerful tools in BIAB, if not the most powerful is Partial Regeneration. (I strongly encourage those who don't know about it, try it)
Currently there are 3 issues that I would like to be addressed.
#1 There are two pop up dialogs, Modal and Non-modal. Combine the two to a non modal panel item (tab)
#2 When you generate a part of the track, lets say section somewhere in the middle - track gets semi-frozen. You can still do partial regenerations to segments on the left and the right but it will not pick up new changes in those. Proposition is to only semi-freeze the sections that went through partial regeneration process, leaving all other segments "unfrozen".
#3 Undo sort of works, but I would like to be able to save some regeneration variants that I thought were interesting, as you can lose regenerations and there is no good way to get them back. For example implement A,B,C variants so you can audition side by side and pick the one that fits better. This is important one and needs thorough discussion.
Totally agree! especially with #3 this is vital so as to not lose something that was good for something not as good. As far as #1 yeah simplicity if key to user workflow.
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At the risk of further side tracking, there is a bug in partial gen. It does not work in repeat areas.
Back to the OP: Specific suggestions - Toolbars, layout, menus, preferences and “other” Let's talk about preferences. BB preference area is massive! There are hundreds and hundreds of preferences grouped in tabs. They do follow the standad of grouping by tabs, but still a lot of time is spent hunting for somethings you r not sure of has an option. This is true in all software.
- Reaper gives you a search since it has close to a thousand options. - Studio One has much less and puts them into tabs like BB but also has a wrench icon in many panels to is the options for that area. This this is handy as it follows your train of thought. - BB also tends to mix options and next step actions together everywhere in menus.
SUGGESTION: Perhaps BB could adopt a standard of also consistently showing like a gear or wrench in each panel to cover the option for that are instead of mixing in context menus.
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"Other" suggestion. Regardless of whether mixer will be changed or not, I wish there would be a simple method for handling tracks in mixer, T.View or both:
Right Click>Copy (with content) Right Click>Paste (with content) Right Click > Delete (all goes bye bye) Right Click > Duplicate (with content)
"Other" suggestion. Regardless of whether mixer will be changed or not, I wish there would be a simple method for handling tracks in mixer, T.View or both:
Right Click>Copy (with content) Right Click>Paste (with content) Right Click > Delete (all goes bye bye) Right Click > Duplicate (with content)
All in the root of Right Click menu.
+1
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"Other" suggestion. Regardless of whether mixer will be changed or not, I wish there would be a simple method for handling tracks in mixer, T.View or both:
Right Click>Copy (with content) Right Click>Paste (with content) Right Click > Delete (all goes bye bye) Right Click > Duplicate (with content)
All in the root of Right Click menu.
+1 This is at the heart of my post on “context menus” and up to this point no one has engaged with. In the track header copy would imply the content of track. If over a selected region of data wave or MIDI it means copy that section of data. As far as root of menu, yes the top 10 things need to be one click away. Context menus need to be pure context to where your mouse is, smart showing the last commands you did at top, and move the plethora of options to a dedicated option button for that process topic. https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=840885#Post840885
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Despite being an off-and-on user of BIAB for more than 30 years, I only just realized how important it is to set the Key of your song in the top header next to Tempo if it is not in the key of C.
If you don't, BIAB will hijack your chords and change what you hear, thinking you are playing in the key of C.
I would suggest that PGMusic quickly figures out the key of your song by the chords you start typing (not difficult at all to do this) and adjusts the Key at the top of the header to match this.
That would be the optimal solution to this problem.
If the programmers can't figure out how to do this, I would recommend that by default, when a user starts to enter their first chord(s) to a song (that's not in C) a pop-up comes up reminding them to change the Key of the song from C to their new key, unless they turn off this default acknowledgment setting.
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"Other" suggestion. Regardless of whether mixer will be changed or not, I wish there would be a simple method for handling tracks in mixer, T.View or both:
Right Click>Copy (with content) Right Click>Paste (with content) Right Click > Delete (all goes bye bye) Right Click > Duplicate (with content)
All in the root of Right Click menu.
While the idea is a nice concept the reality is how will the concept handle mixed content in this all or nothing concept? What about when a user only wants a portion of the content? Most RealTracks have audio and embedded MIDI in the form of RealCharts. Sometimes you want the audio, sometimes the midi and sometimes all. MIDI SuperTracks have MIDI and the audio output of a soft synth. Again, sometimes you want audio, sometimes midi and sometimes both.
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Sorry if this has been already suggested, The ability to customize and rearrange the menus
I did have a conversation with Peter three years ago about the 650+ menu options. At that point. They have been slowly subtle changes but he put custom menus on their todo list.
They are cool in Reaper but as it is not my primary DAW it leave them stock to match video training on YT.
The points made in the video are still very valid so knowing what the customer uses most of the time and putting them at the root would go a long way.
Other solutions are smart menus that always keep your last used menu options at the top automatically has also been suggested.
My consistency peeve is Select, Choose, Pick and menu items with different names that do the same thing. Always use the same term universally across the entire application. The top common sense actions should always be at the root of a menu. Cut copy paste should just work no need to mention.
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Thanks for all the great ideas here for the toolbars etc
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One of the difficulties with graphics buttons is making a suitable set of graphics that mean something to the user. It seems a great idea to avoid words and use pictures, but in reality, for many graphics buttons, we read the short text or hover to read the tool-tip
I notice Photoshop has a convert pixel picture to vector picture. If you want to save are an Graphic Artist, AI can generate quality icons and save as SVG files so they are resizable. Also, text should be OS font based so that it is clearer and potentially scale with the OS.
Last edited by jpettit; 02/11/2509:00 PM.
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Top 10 point according to AI Here's a summary of the top 10 suggestions for the Band-in-a-Box interface improvements, along with the reasons behind each one:
1. **Radio Bar**: Should be optional and hidden by default. - *Why*: Reduces clutter and focuses on essential tools, creating a cleaner interface.
2. **Transport Bar**: Move to the bottom for more space and interactive buttons. - *Why*: Provides more room for navigation and makes key controls more accessible.
3. **User-configurable Layouts**: Emphasize customizable layouts. - *Why*: Allows users to tailor the interface to their preferences, enhancing flexibility and usability.
4. **Panel-based Interface**: Replace modal and non-modal windows with panels. - *Why*: Creates a more cohesive and streamlined user experience, reducing the need to switch between windows.
5. **Touchscreen Navigation**: Implement compatibility for scrolling and zooming. - *Why*: Enhances the modern user experience, especially for touch-enabled devices, making navigation smoother.
6. **Fixed Icons**: Icons for open/save and window controls should be fixed. - *Why*: Provides consistency and easier access to essential functions.
7. **Simplified Menus**: Reduce the number of menu options. - *Why*: Makes the interface more intuitive and user-friendly by simplifying navigation.
8. **Smart Tools**: Introduce tools that adapt based on context. - *Why*: Improves editing efficiency by automatically providing the right tool for the task at hand.
9. **Flat/Neutral Button Design**: Replace large, gradient buttons with flat, text-based buttons. - *Why*: Creates a cleaner and more modern appearance, making the interface less cluttered.
10. **Hover Hints**: Add pop-up hints for column headers in MultiPicker Library windows. - *Why*: Provides clarity on the data in each column, enhancing usability.
These suggestions aim to modernize the Band-in-a-Box interface, making it more user-friendly, efficient, and customizable to better meet the needs of both new and experienced users.
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I guess these are the AI engine's precis of what it's scavenged from these posts. They do seem like fair precis.
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Many people think that many of the existing toolbar buttons could/should be removed from the GUI. If we focus for a moment on the "File" area of the toolbar, what buttons do you think should be present? By that I mean buttons like Open, Save, Save as, Export, (Import?), Prev, Next. Some of these buttons are currently duplicated - for example on the normal toolbar screen there is a File-Open button to the left of the transport area, and there is also a File-Open on the File panel (tab) on the right-hand toolbar. Granted these aren't exactly the same since the File-Open button on the right has a drop-down menu with the 'Open Special' options. So I'm just curious, which of these buttons would you keep, and which would you discard in a 'default' toolbar configuration, and are there buttons that you think should be present that aren't?
Good question. I think you are going to get two to three camps here.
SAVE In File menu for all apps 1) I personally learn 3 decades ago that Ctr + S saves so I do not need to waste space with save button. 2) Others may have been hitting your save button for years. OPEN In File menu for all apps 1) Many DAWs have a dedicated song browser with tabs. PGM has the Song Tab. 80% of the time I use the OS file browser to go the directories in my organization so no button for me. 2) Others have used your Song Browser.
So, I would vote for let the user decide what buttons are in the tool bar. You can default you what you have but let others remove them.
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""File" area of the toolbar, what buttons do you think should be present?"
As I've requested in 2023, ideally the quad cluster by the current drop bay should be fully configurable. Quick access. For example, I would put MTP, Bar Settings, T.View, Chord options, Programmed CTRL+F8 shortcut for partial regen or anything else. I believe to future proof it that is the way to go. I mean, not only customizable with current icons, but custom shortcuts as buttons for any task.
Current Custom bar> File Menu. Save MIDI definitely needs to be there and menu redesigned to have all options on one screen. No pop ups. Clean. No 90's buttons. Compact. Ability to export only Chord Track(s) in that menu too, which is long due.
Kindly consider vector or high resolution images for icons as some are blurry.
I am tinkering with a DAW like program FL Studio. I must say customization is awesome. One beautiful program. But one thing, that I don't see often just done right. "Hint Panel" a small panel (movable / dockable). Whatever you point your mouse at, it tells you what it is and gives you a shortcut key. I like it significantly more than tool tips pop ups which I've used for years. This is so simple, yet so effective. Maybe something like this?
Andrew, to me i like the file drop down. then having the ability to add these buttons to the tabs area like i do for the custom tab is nice where i add all the tabs i really use and leave it open. the other locations could be replaced or as Misha is saying make the quad location customizable. and the tab area optional
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