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This thread is for suggestions regarding the Chord Sheet view. This is for specific suggestions only, not general comments. There are a few ideas extracted from the main user interface enhancements thread
robertw:
I think the Chords Timeline work great, but I would like to see perhaps, text to show 1 verse, 2,verse, etc... as well as where you have some kind of action, like Fills, Push/Hold, etc...
Maybe R1, R2, R3 for the Repeat signs, and a "F", "P", "H" and for more than 1 action in a bar "$" (used a dollar sign, could be whatever works best).
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One area not mentioned yet is the basic format of the Chordsheet. There have been good suggestions made in recent years about organizing a cell differently, so each measure has four clearly defined subdividable beats (and more or fewer beats per measure if other time signatures are implemented), so that microchords are made more straightforward and the whole idea of commas is eliminated.
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This thread is for suggestions regarding the Chord Sheet view. This is for specific suggestions only, not general comments. There are a few ideas extracted from the main user interface enhancements thread
1) robertw:
I think the Chords Timeline work great, but I would like to see perhaps, text to show 1 verse, 2,verse, etc...
2) as well as where you have some kind of action, like Fills, Push/Hold, etc...
3) Maybe R1, R2, R3 for the Repeat signs,
4) and a "F", "P", "H" and for more than 1 action in a bar "$" (used a dollar sign, could be whatever works best).
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One area not mentioned yet is the basic format of the Chordsheet. There have been good suggestions made in recent years about organizing a cell differently,
5) so each measure has four clearly defined subdividable beats
6) (and more or fewer beats per measure if other time signatures are implemented),
7) so that microchords are made more straightforward and the whole idea of commas is eliminated. 1) +1 on what is called an arranger track in other DAWS. Make it easier to show flow. So, is this more than labels? 2) +1 Charlie also suggested this with ability to show changes in RTs. This adds fodder to the idea of an arranger track. 3) -1 I am OK with standard notation repeat signs. There is a whole other thread on repeat because in general they tend not to work well. 4) Don't understand. I fear an alphabet soup with decoder ring to cramp hidden meaning in. Like the idea of an arranger track to call things out clearer. 5) +1 yes, I would like to see zoom expand the bar out to see all beats in a bar. 6) Yes, see above 7) yes, see above. Micro chords need to become part of the chord view.
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If you have 4/4 or any other time signature and you need a bar with different number of beats...
Currently, when you edit a specific bar through Bar Settings and set amount of beats for that bar, it changes all of the bars that follow the one being changed in Chord View.
It should only change that specific bar, leaving all the following bars time signature(s) intact.
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Why design all views independently, forcing the user to choose between the ‘Chords’ view OR the ‘Tracks’ view? Wouldn't be much better if we had a main screen where the user could simultaneously see all the most important views (chords, tracks, lyrics, sections, the whole song's structure...) and edit any of them from a single place? Take a look, for example, at Song Master Pro, is a beautiful example of how different views can be integrated in a single screen in a really intuitive way: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30014&filename=1 Main.png) First, you always have a view of the whole song structure, you can navigate to the different parts directly from there, and you can also zoom in/out directly from there: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30033&filename=2 Song.png) Then, you have different "Tracks" (Views) that you can show / hide as you wish. No need to see the "Sections" or the "Lyrics" track? No problem, just hide them: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30032&filename=Hide.gif) Want to use the mixer or any other tool? Just click on the tiny icons at the top right to show / hide the tools / browser panels: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30031&filename=Panels.gif)
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Want to add / edit / delete / copy / paste a chord? You can do it from the main screen (in general, you can edit any element from the main screen just by clicking on it) ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30036&filename=Chords.gif) You can also move chords directly from the main screen, just by draggin them. Note that the chords will move accordingly to the snap setting, so it's possible to insert up to 16 chords per bar from here (no need to use commas, carets, or that counterintuitive "Micro chords" feature) ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30020&filename=6 Drag chords.gif) Want to loop a section? Use the standard and super intuitive method you're used to: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30035&filename=Loop.gif) Want to see just the whole chord sheet? No problem, juts click on the apropriate icon. And yes, you still can edit most elements (chords, lyrics, notes...) also from this view just by clicking on them: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30034&filename=Chordsheet.gif) It's all about flexibility, modularity and coherency between the different views.
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I like Cerio's points.
This conversation was breached slightly in many of the previous threads in the last week.
Which puts emphasis on a serious improvement of the Track view. Add a decent chord area with bigger editable chords. Add an Arrangement Track the show the parts of the song.
I guess another point I'd like to leave PGM with is, all of these discussions have been implemented in other music software tools. Spend more time analyzing what you like about those tools to see if it's easy to do in BIAB.
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I like the concept, and looks very pretty... While I agree that inline chord entry is beneficial in some places, to insert something "fast".
+1 to have it as a timeline option...
However I love chord sheet layout. I find it very useful and easy to work with. Sure, it needs several improvements, but it is indispensable. Also, some people use that for practice, following chords - which would be not intuitive at all with inline strip.
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However I love chord sheet layout. I find it very useful and easy to work with. Sure, it needs several improvements, but it is indispensable. Also, some people use that for practice, following chords - which would be not intuitive at all with inline strip. The integrated view and the chord view do not have to be incompatible (see last image of my post)
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I get it, but I like the cell view better (than over notation)  Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of inline chord entry/edit, but in other views. Cerio, great visual presentation BTW. If PGM adopts some of these ideas, it could finally be a breakthrough for many of us and way forward for future users.
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I am reminded of the statement by an older Supreme Court, rephrased to say “ I can’t define good design but I know it when I see it”. At some point we might find it useful to cite other software and what specifically we like about its design.
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Micro chords Reimagined ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30024&filename=Micro Cord 2.0.jpg) Beats match Time Signature/Feel Resolution defaults to beats Beat marks only show on current selected bar Context Menu: - 1/8 - 1/16 -Triplet - Insert Rest - Insert Motif - Add Drum Fill - Shot - Hold - Exclusion Popup (drop down list)
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Well, I must have blown people's minds being so obvious with my "Micro" chord's suggestion, so I will comment on my own post.
What does this have to do with the chord view? Everything.
1) It addresses one of the first abnormalities of the chord view the fact that a bar is broken into 1/2 measures. With this design the bar would be broken into the beats, so 4 segment for 4/4 and 3 segment for 3/4. This makes entering chords more intuitively obvious without having to learn some additional techniques.
2) It also introduces the idea of only showing the segmentation on the current bar keeping the look clean and familiar.
3) Micro chords by the pure name sounds like an afterthought (it was) and many people did not like or understand the design. This this incorporates in a natural workflow the most common musical chord situations, of the chance of a chord change on one of the beats in the measure and the ability to do a 1/8 note chord transition.
A more natural workflow where you don't have to explain to people about commas and micro chords.
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BTW, I do believe the chord track is a nice chord sheet (printable for live musicians to follow) and show where Peters head was at in the initial days of BB, but with Chord Tracks being common in DAWs and stuck with a linear flow of DAWs a fully functional Chord track as shown in Cerio examples is the way to go for serious work on entering chords. It aligns with ideas of better (more room) showing the arrangement sections, and small changes you can make to the progression as it flows.
We are caught between two subjects here Track View and the Chord View, so I will put my examples in the track view suggestion area.
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1) Micro chords are not really 1/16th chords, are they? They seem not, not in a traditional sense. Using MC you can create interesting musical nuances, but that will be it. If I remember correctly, you yourself had made a nice diagram showing that they are "layer" chords, over the main chord(s). If this is the case, then there is no place for them in actual Chord Sheet as they are a "side" tool and a panel would be a perfect candidate for that. Perhaps an indication that MC is present a the bar? A colored dot or such. Also, I think typing in microchords in main cells with commas is a bit overkill, as instead of arranging you do sort of coding.
2) "Chord track as shown in Cerio examples is the way to go for serious work on entering chords." For Track View, ACW - Yes. Would be great! And yes, suggestion belongs in Track View thread. Chord Sheet is a different view and serves a different purpose.
3) I agree that 4/4 should have 4 cells, 3/4 -3, etc. Absolutely.
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3) I agree that 4/4 should have 4 cells, 3/4 -3, etc. Absolutely. FWIW - why not have a grid like a lot of DAWs have. Set the grid to whole notes for one chord per cell. Set it for 8th notes for up to 8 chords per cell, etc. Have it so if you change from say a quarter note to a 16th note grid cell the quarter note chords and all other note chords still line up perfectly. This could work for all time signatures. YMMV
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1) Micro chords are not really 1/16th chords, are they? They seem not, not in a traditional sense.
2)Using MC you can create interesting musical nuances, but that will be it. If I remember correctly, you yourself had made a nice diagram showing that they are "layer" chords, over the main chord(s). If this is the case, then there is no place for them in actual Chord Sheet as they are a "side" tool and a panel would be a perfect candidate for that.
3) Perhaps an indication that MC is present a the bar? A colored dot or such. Also,
4) I think typing in microchords in main cells with commas is a bit overkill, as instead of arranging you do sort of coding. 1) Yes, currently up to 1/16. in practice it rare for a chord to be less than 1/8. (I actually think they should reduce its complexity to 1/8) 2) Hmm, you may have missed the power of Micro Chords. I used them immediately to add syncopated transitions chords in a song I was working on when they were introduces. They are real chords and rests and motifs that will render in the track even in the plugin. 3) The micro chords already show up in the chord sheet after you use the convoluted MC Window. (all the same symbols I showed) 4) Disagree, I would have loved to just enter my 1/8 syncopated chord directly into the chore track.
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3) I agree that 4/4 should have 4 cells, 3/4 -3, etc. Absolutely. FWIW - why not have a grid like a lot of DAWs have. Set the grid to whole notes for one chord per cell. Set it for 8th notes for up to 8 chords per cell, etc. Have it so if you change from say a quarter note to a 16th note grid cell the quarter note chords and all other note chords still line up perfectly. This could work for all time signatures. YMMV Yes, I was trying to make it less intrusive and less of a change for people used to using the cord track. That is why I suggested the grid only shows up when entering in chords for a particular bar. I also think 1/8th is enough granularity.
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Yes, I was trying to make it less intrusive and less of a change for people used to using the cord track. That is why I suggested the grid only shows up when entering in chords for a particular bar. I also think 1/8th is enough granularity. FWIW - I think we have to stop worrying about how people currently use BiaB. Some of the outstanding suggestions along with accompanying mock-ups are radical changes from the current GUI. If we keep worrying about the current GUI/workflow then nothing will change. We all are capable of change. IMHO if this is going to happen lets do it right the first time. That is just my opinion and other may not agree with me.
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Yes, I was trying to make it less intrusive and less of a change for people used to using the cord track. That is why I suggested the grid only shows up when entering in chords for a particular bar. I also think 1/8th is enough granularity. FWIW - I think we have to stop worrying about how people currently use BiaB. Some of the outstanding suggestions along with accompanying mock-ups are radical changes from the current GUI. If we keep worrying about the current GUI/workflow then nothing will change. We all are capable of change. IMHO if this is going to happen lets do it right the first time. That is just my opinion and other may not agree with me. Yes, I fully agree/+1.
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We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows is here and it is packed with major new features! There’s a new modern look, a GUI redesign to all areas of the program including toolbars, windows, workflow and more. There’s a Multi-view layout for organizing multiple windows. A standout addition is the powerful AI-Notes feature, which uses AI neural-net technology to transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI—entire mixes or individual instruments—making it easy to study, view, and play parts from any song. And that’s just the beginning—there are over 60 new features in this exciting release.
Along with version 2026, we've released an incredible lineup of new content! There's 202 new RealTracks, brand-new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two new RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows and save up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special offer—available until December 31, 2025. Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page to explore all available upgrade options.
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49. Browse the full contents of each package and listen to demos here.
XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
The XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs special offers are now available until August 31st at 11:59pm PDT!
Ready to take your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 experience to the next level? Now’s the perfect time! Expand your style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs—packed with a wide variety of genres to inspire your next musical creation.
What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-9 includes 900 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). With over 3,500 styles (and 35 MIDI styles) included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-20, the possibilities are endless!
Get the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Get Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 19 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!
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