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BB2025 issues with noise and count-in sound #840424 01/24/25 10:38 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 72 Gold Coast jazzutako OP Enthusiast
OP jazzutako Enthusiast Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 72 Gold Coast	Hi. I recently upgraded from BB2018 to BB2025. I have 2 issues and can someone help me please? OS is Win11. BB version is 2025 (1124) 1. The first count-in sound is odd ( from the 2nd count, it sounds normal) 2. After style and tempo change, it becomes noisy (only the changed bars) Thank you! I want to attach the sound files so you can listen to them, but it looks like images only.

Re: BB2025 issues with noise and count-in sound jazzutako #840432 01/25/25 01:33 AM Beginners Forum
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 20,320 Australia	Hi jazzutako, Being able to look at the SGU/MGU file and/or hear the audio would be valuable. Anything that you want to make available to the forums can be uploaded to a sharing site such as Dropbox, and a link can then be posted in the forum so that people can have a listen. --Noel MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2026 audios on Soundcloud

Re: BB2025 issues with noise and count-in sound jazzutako #840450 01/25/25 03:03 AM Beginners Forum
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OP jazzutako Enthusiast Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 72 Gold Coast	Thank you Noel96! OK, here are the sound files...... Sample BB2018 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nW8gnjFuIdnmzQEqCggz1EPa0GLRnjwU/view?usp=sharing Sample BB2025 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j_skztLLKleRT8tfimDhRDuLxPblOxe3/view?usp=sharing Please have a listen to those and compare. I hope you can hear the differences. The style and tempo changes are at around 1:29. I uninstalled and reinstalled BB today, but nothing has changed. What else can I do? Jazzutako

Re: BB2025 issues with noise and count-in sound jazzutako #840452 01/25/25 04:39 AM Beginners Forum
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rharv Veteran Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,439 Mi., USA	Are you using a dedicated audio interface, or the built in sound card? I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!

Re: BB2025 issues with noise and count-in sound rharv #840505 01/25/25 12:48 PM Beginners Forum
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OP jazzutako Enthusiast Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 72 Gold Coast	Hi, thank you for the response! Just the built in sound card. BB2018 is in my old laptop Acer Aspire, and BB2025 is in my new laptop HP Victus. Anything to do with the sound card? because it's a gaming laptop maybe?

Re: BB2025 issues with noise and count-in sound jazzutako #840532 01/25/25 08:32 PM Beginners Forum
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rharv Veteran Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,439 Mi., USA	I have experienced this previously when using an internal sound card, assumed it had to do with buffers. That doesn't mean that is your solution/cause, just something to think about. You may have better results with a dedicated interface; they can be pretty inexpensive for a basic one with decent drivers. I doubt being a gaming laptop has anything negative to do with it FWIW. Last edited by rharv; 01/25/25 08:45 PM. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!

Re: BB2025 issues with noise and count-in sound rharv #840552 01/26/25 02:27 AM Beginners Forum
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OP jazzutako Enthusiast Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 72 Gold Coast	Hi, rharv. Thank you for the advice. I think that the problem is in somewhere else, because it sounds fine if I don't make a style and tempo change in the middle of the song. The odd count-in sound is not a major problem but I would like to fix this noise issue.

Re: BB2025 issues with noise and count-in sound jazzutako #840565 01/26/25 05:15 AM Beginners Forum
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rharv Veteran Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,439 Mi., USA	I listened to your 2025 example The noise at 1:29 - I'd try muting each track one by one to try to isolate the source of the noise. Is it drum track? Bass track? etc My previous suggestions were regarding first beat of count in issues. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!

Re: BB2025 issues with noise and count-in sound jazzutako #840581 01/26/25 08:03 AM Beginners Forum
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Joseph Land Expert J Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,040 Springfield, MO	I see only 1 noise click at 1:36.761 to be precise. It is the only click I could find and I looked at the entire waveform in Adobe Audition. It sounds like a buffering problem with his sound settings in the laptop? I have had this before in my Desktop and it turned out to be and old Focusrite driver. What is your current audio setting BIAB MME, ASIO or WAS Try changing that and see what happens. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) noise.jpg (158.99 KB, 207 downloads) noise 2.jpg (33.32 KB, 207 downloads) noise 3.jpg (180.48 KB, 205 downloads) Last edited by Joseph Land; 01/26/25 08:04 AM. BIAB2026 Windows 10 Pro (Never Windows 11!) WA6NCB

Re: BB2025 issues with noise and count-in sound jazzutako #840592 01/26/25 10:37 AM Beginners Forum
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rharv Veteran Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,439 Mi., USA	The click happens once (good catch), what I heard was a noise introduced when the new style change happens (1:29?), kind of a hisss or different noise level that disappears after that style. Hopefully jazzutako can add clarity to what she hears. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!

Re: BB2025 issues with noise and count-in sound Joseph Land #840594 01/26/25 10:58 AM Beginners Forum
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,230 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted by Joseph Land .............................. What is your current audio setting BIAB MME, ASIO or WAS Try changing that and see what happens. Realtek sound cards do not natively support ASIO so if that is what she is using that could be the problem. Realtek sound cards, which is probably what is being used, are great for playing music, videos, and games BUT terrible for recording music. If one wants to record music one must purchase an audio interface, commonly called a sound card, that supports MME, WAS, and more importantly ASIO. Rharv had already mentioned this. You can purchase a good audio interface for under $100 USD. My boss calls me "the computer". Nothing to do with intelligence. I go to sleep if left unattended for 15 minutes. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: BB2025 issues with noise and count-in sound Joseph Land #840620 01/26/25 02:41 PM Beginners Forum
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OP jazzutako Enthusiast Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 72 Gold Coast	Hi, Joseph Land. Thank you for analyzing the sound file. I can see what you mean by 1 click noise, but that's no problem, I didn't even notice that! As rharv mentioned, the hiss noise after the style and tempo change is the issue. I checked my audio setting and it was WAS. I changed to MME, but the same result. I tried to change to ASIO, but the waning sign popped up. It says "No ASIO drivers are installed on your system." So I changed back to WAS. Still hiss noise. Regards, Jazzutako

Re: BB2025 issues with noise and count-in sound MarioD #840622 01/26/25 02:52 PM Beginners Forum
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OP jazzutako Enthusiast Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 72 Gold Coast	Hi, Mario D. My audio setting was/is WAS. ASIO is not installed in my system. I will consider getting audio interface, but I'm pretty happy with the sound quality as it is without that hiss noise. What I don't understand is why it makes hiss noise only after making style and tempo changes? It was all fine with BB2018.

Re: BB2025 issues with noise and count-in sound jazzutako #840637 01/26/25 04:26 PM Beginners Forum
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,979 Melbourne, Australia	I listened to both files, concentrating on the sections before and around the 1:29 mark. I don't think this is a sound card related issue. In the 2018 version, the drummer is playing brush swirls & brush hits, and then changing to more accentuated brush 'hits' at 1:29. In the 2025 version, the drummer is playing much more accentuated brush 'swirls' after the 1:29 mark. I perhaps think that is what you are describing as 'noisy' Can you advise the exact style(s) that are being used? It could be that PGM have made a change to this style since 2018. Also, could you upload the .SGU song file to a file sharing service? BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: BB2025 issues with noise and count-in sound AudioTrack #840649 01/26/25 08:17 PM Beginners Forum
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OP jazzutako Enthusiast Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 72 Gold Coast	Hi, AudioTrack. I'm sorry I should've used the same style for both BB2018 and BB2025 to make samples. I thought they were close enough. Now I've made the new samples using the same style, -JAZZSWP.STY Jazz Swing Piano Trio. Here they are, Sample BB2018 same style https://drive.google.com/file/d/15S_w9Eo_DfUpSVtLi81kf6b-xnTFRQ4e/view?usp=sharing Sample BB2025 same style https://drive.google.com/file/d/17OnebZtL-Ikemyon6NOhOCyC-MnwhJDR/view?usp=sharing I can still hear the hiss noise in the BB2025 file. The first count sounds odd, too. I uploaded the SGU files as well. BB2018 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DzuGgungSIaPGcy7bQdaYr-r9NnLO6uj/view?usp=sharing BB2025 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k2cpBYQq3-MxGVzKZSE75Tzcohl1yeIU/view?usp=sharing Thank you for your help! Regards, Jazzutako

Re: BB2025 issues with noise and count-in sound rharv #840650 01/26/25 08:30 PM Beginners Forum
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OP jazzutako Enthusiast Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 72 Gold Coast	Hi, rharv. I'm sorry I completely missed this comment! I listened to each track, and it's the drum track, the base track is fine. BB2025 Drums only https://drive.google.com/file/d/160OgIkkGWZNtBAOBXIIJxAc77Xp7cEqy/view?usp=sharing Regards, Jazzutako

Re: BB2025 issues with noise and count-in sound jazzutako #840651 01/26/25 08:44 PM Beginners Forum
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rharv Veteran Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,439 Mi., USA	Kind of expected that. Sounds like it's in the RT recording itself, not so much a 2025 vs 2018 issue. You can try to make it less noticeable with EQ or such .. or try a different similar style for the drums .. or add something to the mix to hide it .. It may just be the way the drummer dragged the brushes around in that style It's not *that you changed styles, it's the style you chose, most likely. That and your sound card may accentuate it. Just my thoughts at this point, thanks for all the examples and clarity; they help other users respond. Last edited by rharv; 01/26/25 08:50 PM. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!

Re: BB2025 issues with noise and count-in sound rharv #840657 01/26/25 11:03 PM Beginners Forum
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,979 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,979 Melbourne, Australia	I agree with RHarv's suggestion about using EQ to try to make it less noticeable. I also think that it might just be the way that the 2025 version processes the audio sounds that make up this particular RealTrack. BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: BB2025 issues with noise and count-in sound AudioTrack #840658 01/26/25 11:10 PM Beginners Forum
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,979 Melbourne, Australia	Interestingly, I download and played the 2025 .sgu file, and at bar 22 (where the tempo doubles), I don't get the exaggerated 'brush swirls', but more 'brush hits'. The memo shows: "RealDrums in style:JazzBrushes: a: Brushes Swirling b: Brushes Busier " I think that the B sub-style is somehow introduced when the tempo doubles. Probably the program is doing this internally. BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: BB2025 issues with noise and count-in sound rharv #840664 01/27/25 01:12 AM Beginners Forum
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OP jazzutako Enthusiast Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 72 Gold Coast	HI, rharv. Quote not so much a 2025 vs 2018 issue How so? when I'm using the exact same style but only BB2025 makes the hiss noise. To make it less noticeable, is there EQ in BB? I tried other similar styles but so far they all make the hiss noise after the tempo change. I've done some experiment with BB2025, and found an interesting fact. The odd first count only occurs when the tempo is at or under 67. Also, if I make the tempo change from fast to slow, there's no hiss noise. Regards, Jazzutako

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