Being able to look at the SGU/MGU file and/or hear the audio would be valuable.
Anything that you want to make available to the forums can be uploaded to a sharing site such as Dropbox, and a link can then be posted in the forum so that people can have a listen.
Just the built in sound card. BB2018 is in my old laptop Acer Aspire, and BB2025 is in my new laptop HP Victus. Anything to do with the sound card? because it's a gaming laptop maybe?
I have experienced this previously when using an internal sound card, assumed it had to do with buffers. That doesn't mean that is your solution/cause, just something to think about.
You may have better results with a dedicated interface; they can be pretty inexpensive for a basic one with decent drivers. I doubt being a gaming laptop has anything negative to do with it FWIW.
Last edited by rharv; 01/25/2509:45 PM.
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I listened to your 2025 example The noise at 1:29 - I'd try muting each track one by one to try to isolate the source of the noise. Is it drum track? Bass track? etc
My previous suggestions were regarding first beat of count in issues.
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I see only 1 noise click at 1:36.761 to be precise. It is the only click I could find and I looked at the entire waveform in Adobe Audition. It sounds like a buffering problem with his sound settings in the laptop? I have had this before in my Desktop and it turned out to be and old Focusrite driver.
What is your current audio setting BIAB MME, ASIO or WAS
Try changing that and see what happens.
Last edited by Joseph Land; 01/26/2509:04 AM.
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The click happens once (good catch), what I heard was a noise introduced when the new style change happens (1:29?), kind of a hisss or different noise level that disappears after that style.
Hopefully jazzutako can add clarity to what she hears.
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What is your current audio setting BIAB MME, ASIO or WAS
Try changing that and see what happens.
Realtek sound cards do not natively support ASIO so if that is what she is using that could be the problem.
Realtek sound cards, which is probably what is being used, are great for playing music, videos, and games BUT terrible for recording music. If one wants to record music one must purchase an audio interface, commonly called a sound card, that supports MME, WAS, and more importantly ASIO. Rharv had already mentioned this. You can purchase a good audio interface for under $100 USD.
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Hi, Joseph Land. Thank you for analyzing the sound file. I can see what you mean by 1 click noise, but that's no problem, I didn't even notice that!
As rharv mentioned, the hiss noise after the style and tempo change is the issue.
I checked my audio setting and it was WAS. I changed to MME, but the same result. I tried to change to ASIO, but the waning sign popped up. It says "No ASIO drivers are installed on your system." So I changed back to WAS. Still hiss noise.
Hi, Mario D. My audio setting was/is WAS. ASIO is not installed in my system.
I will consider getting audio interface, but I'm pretty happy with the sound quality as it is without that hiss noise. What I don't understand is why it makes hiss noise only after making style and tempo changes? It was all fine with BB2018.
I listened to both files, concentrating on the sections before and around the 1:29 mark. I don't think this is a sound card related issue.
In the 2018 version, the drummer is playing brush swirls & brush hits, and then changing to more accentuated brush 'hits' at 1:29.
In the 2025 version, the drummer is playing much more accentuated brush 'swirls' after the 1:29 mark. I perhaps think that is what you are describing as 'noisy'
Can you advise the exact style(s) that are being used? It could be that PGM have made a change to this style since 2018.
Also, could you upload the .SGU song file to a file sharing service?
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Kind of expected that. Sounds like it's in the RT recording itself, not so much a 2025 vs 2018 issue.
You can try to make it less noticeable with EQ or such .. or try a different similar style for the drums .. or add something to the mix to hide it .. It may just be the way the drummer dragged the brushes around in that style It's not *that you changed styles, it's the style you chose, most likely. That and your sound card may accentuate it.
Just my thoughts at this point, thanks for all the examples and clarity; they help other users respond.
Last edited by rharv; 01/26/2509:50 PM.
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I agree with RHarv's suggestion about using EQ to try to make it less noticeable.
I also think that it might just be the way that the 2025 version processes the audio sounds that make up this particular RealTrack.
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Interestingly, I download and played the 2025 .sgu file, and at bar 22 (where the tempo doubles), I don't get the exaggerated 'brush swirls', but more 'brush hits'.
The memo shows: "RealDrums in style:JazzBrushes: a: Brushes Swirling b: Brushes Busier "
I think that the B sub-style is somehow introduced when the tempo doubles. Probably the program is doing this internally.
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How so? when I'm using the exact same style but only BB2025 makes the hiss noise.
To make it less noticeable, is there EQ in BB?
I tried other similar styles but so far they all make the hiss noise after the tempo change.
I've done some experiment with BB2025, and found an interesting fact. The odd first count only occurs when the tempo is at or under 67. Also, if I make the tempo change from fast to slow, there's no hiss noise.
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