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Hello folks,
This morning I needed to use the plugin when tracking in Reaper.
The plug in was placed into the project prior to upgrading from 24 to 25 and was very successfully used on this particular project for two months.
When I ran Reaper this morning the plug in seemed to have doubled the count in and was running slow.
I changed the time setting in BIAB as a diff was illuminated. Ran the project and the result was the same.
I used the plugin to reopen the SGU. It did this VERY slowly then crashed Reaper.
I tried this four times with the same result.
I've not installed the latest build, downloaded but not run, but having checked the "fixes" the issue wasn't mentioned.
W10 machine, Reaper 6, BIAB 2025 installed.
Any suggestions?

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I would definitely try build 1125e. There have been numerous changes that affect the plugin, so it is definitely work pursuing with the latest version.
https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=840767#Post840767


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Band-in-a-Box build 1125e also includes version v7.0.10 of the DAW Plugin.

Release notes - DAW Plugin v.7.0.10

Fixed: Localized strings
Fixed: Pops/clicks during playback
Fixed: Out-of-sync playback when playing from the DAW with tempo changes
Fixed: Song with no style will use BLANK.STY by default (for saving SGU, Style Picker)
Fixed: Changed Japanese font to use Meiryo
Fixed: Wrong message displayed when trying to drag ungenerated (or only instructions) tracks


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Thanks Jim,
I've subsequently installed the latest build & Plug In - downloaded this morning.
The problem persists.
It is just the one project in the three or four that my brief investigations have opened.
The track is in BIAB's convoluted form of 8/4, (if I recall properly) though it reads 4/4 in the box, every bar of the song is individually labelled 4/4 which makes me think it is the 8/4 thing or something similar.
The count in flash starts up soon enough but the actual song kick in, from BIAB plug, (& I'm not playing audio files just running the chart screen to help with tracking), a bar late.
I can get buy I suppose but I did want to retrack a solo across 16 bars with quite a few chord changes so was hoping for the help that the chart usually provides.


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Originally Posted by AudioTrack
I would definitely try build 1125e. There have been numerous changes that affect the plugin, so it is definitely work pursuing with the latest version.
https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=840767#Post840767
Thanks A.T.,
as mentioned above - I've now been there & done that without a resolution.


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Can you make a copy of the rpp then open it and remove the BB Plugin then load it on a new track.

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In the past a thread with this title whould have caused me to jump in and try to help. But now... this problem is just another thursday morning. Others have recommended to reload the v6 from late 2024 as they claim it is more stable. Sorry I can't help you any more.


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Originally Posted by rayc
When I ran Reaper this morning the plug in seemed to have doubled the count in and was running slow.
What sample rate are you using in your DAW, and does it match the sample rate your interface is set to? As well, can you go to File > About in the plugin, then tell us the version of the plugin and engine?

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It is just the one project in the three or four that my brief investigations have opened.
Do you mean it's just one project that has issues? Can you try other projects?

Originally Posted by musocity
Can you make a copy of the rpp then open it and remove the BB Plugin then load it on a new track.
This is a good suggestion, particularly if the RPP was originally created with an old version of the plugin. The saved plugin state in the RPP from an old version could confuse the new version.


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Originally Posted by musocity
Can you make a copy of the rpp then open it and remove the BB Plugin then load it on a new track.
Yep, I removed it. saved it under a new name. Opened it. Added PGPLUGIN, opened SGU and the moment the SGU was loaded Reaper crashed...about nine times over a couple of days of trying.


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Originally Posted by rayc
When I ran Reaper this morning the plug in seemed to have doubled the count in and was running slow.
What sample rate are you using in your DAW, and does it match the sample rate your interface is set to? As well, can you go to File > About in the plugin, then tell us the version of the plugin and engine?

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Originally Posted by rayc
It is just the one project in the three or four that my brief investigations have opened.
Do you mean it's just one project that has issues? Can you try other projects?

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Can you make a copy of the rpp then open it and remove the BB Plugin then load it on a new track.
This is a good suggestion, particularly if the RPP was originally created with an old version of the plugin. The saved plugin state in the RPP from an old version could confuse the new version.
Hello Simon,
here's the info:
A) 2/2ch 2048spls 47/47ms ASIO 48khz 24 bt
PLUGIN
2025 v7.0.10
BIAB
2025.0.0.1124
SSL ASIO driver
B) Just the one at the moment. I've tried a few more without the initial issue of count in going wonky & haven't pushed them into the next stage as I don't want to, erroneously, scar a project. I did get a message, this morning, that the time signatures were different between DAW & Plug so change the DAW to 4/4 instead of 8/4, saved it under a new name, closed it, opened it, added the plug, selected the SGU, song opened, chart opened, then Reaper crashed.
C) Yeah, I did that the day before yesterday and a few times today. Crashes every time.


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Can you try with VST2 if you are using the VST3

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I went to download the latest 2024 Plugin Installer but there is only
Band-in-a-Box® Version 2024 Build 1113 Update (500 MB)
This patch will update Band-in-a-Box® 2024 to Build 1113 from any previous 2024 build. This includes VST DAW Plugin 6.1.13.

I don't know why they don't have just the Plugin Installer for download rather than the massive 500 MB package.

I was going to extract just the vst3 for you to try so you can just swap it.

This is the latest ones in the Plugin Forum:
Band-in-a-Box 2024 Build 1109 Update (with DAW Plugin 6.1.4) (Jan 30)
by Andrew - PG Music
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 - DAW Plugin Version 6 New Features Video
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Originally Posted by rayc
B) Just the one at the moment. I've tried a few more without the initial issue of count in going wonky & haven't pushed them into the next stage as I don't want to, erroneously, scar a project. I did get a message, this morning, that the time signatures were different between DAW & Plug so change the DAW to 4/4 instead of 8/4, saved it under a new name, closed it, opened it, added the plug, selected the SGU, song opened, chart opened, then Reaper crashed.
Can you try that with a different song, after making a backup of the RPP first of course?

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Can you try with VST2 if you are using the VST3
Excellent suggestion - to get the VST2 version, please navigate to X:\bb\Data\Installers (where X is wherever BIAB is installed), then run the biab_daw_plugin installer - there should be one there that says 7.0.10. When installing, make sure to select Custom Installation then check the box for VST2 64-bit (NOT the one that says VST2 FX). On a later page of the installer there should be a checkbox to install to C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST2 (e.g. Reaper) - check that one and continue. Once it's installed, Reaper should scan it on next launch, then you can find it in the plugins list under VSTi or under PG Music.

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I don't know why they don't have just the Plugin Installer for download rather than the massive 500 MB package.
Because the updated plugin always requires the updated version of BIAB, and because it would otherwise be a waste of server storage for the 0.2% of users who want an incomplete installer.

Originally Posted by musocity
I was going to extract just the vst3 for you to try so you can just swap it.
Please don't, for the reasons listed above.


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"Because the updated plugin always requires the updated version of BIAB, and because it would otherwise be a waste of server storage for the 0.2% of users who want an incomplete installer."

I suggested he use the 2024 vst with the 2025 bbw4 if not he can use the 2024 vst with the 2024 bbw4.
I do this all the time to work issues out.
This way you can get something working if you are broken down on the side of the road.

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Another option is use Free Element VST load that then load or drag n drop the VST2/VST3 into it enabling the EXT button top left to let it sync.
I hope you are not still stuck broken down on the side of the road. If you need help you can PM me.
EDIT: you don't get the Reaper features using this.

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Because the updated plugin always requires the updated version of BIAB, and because it would otherwise be a waste of server storage for the 0.2% of users who want an incomplete installer.

Originally Posted by musocity
I was going to extract just the vst3 for you to try so you can just swap it.
Originally Posted by Simon - PG Music
Please don't, for the reasons listed above.

That is what I always thought until recently users have shown me how to load the prior V6 of the VST into the BIAB 2025. So you can go back and it does allow one to return to last years working VST plugin with this years BIAB. PM me if you want instructions.


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Indeed for me V7 (04 or 10) does not work correctly in generating instructions in Reaper. It takes a huge amount of time compared to versions 6.XX and above all the tracks are offset, they start too early (often on the and of the 3), and I can't correct it at all.


Then in Studio One, the generation does not work either and the simplest is the generation of wav, so we lose all the interest of the Plugin instructions. I don't really know how to film my screen to show you but it's pretty obvious that I have a bug. If anyone can get results, give me some advice. Thanks.

(V6 proudly displays "song generated in 2.6 sec. while I'm still waiting for V7.) Try it on _CERAMIC, you'll understand.


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I am so impressed with the thorough regression testing done before a new release.


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At the same time, if only 0.2% of us are trying to run the plugin, it's really not a problem for the others, I have to admit.
It's already been over a month that I'm stuck on this, I'll keep the V6 for good, no choice.


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Yes we need the biab_daw_plugin.exe installers available for download

If you have issues with the Plugin in Reaper you can use Import-frozen-SGU-MGU-realtracks-drums-tracks-GUI.zip
This will also fit the sections from Biab to any tempo map. You simply freeze the track or tracks or sections, Save the SGU, then open in Reaper, Reload tracks each time you have made changes in Biab but always Save SGU first.


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Yes, I use your work (very) often, and I take this opportunity to thank you, but this is a way of bypassing the plugin, even though we paid for it with everything else.
I don't think I have such a special configuration that the plugin only bugs with me. When fast generation arrived on the Reaper plugin, I only used that. Now Biab 25 is also almost as fast as the V6 plugin, so the plugin will probably be dropped.


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The plugin in Reaper has this exceptional feature that it does not take time to generate wavs, this is for me the main advantage. Saves space and saves time. But when it does not want to, it does not want to. I'm surprised it was released in this non-functional state, but I feel like I'm the only one having this problem, so I'll do without it until a fix is ​​available.


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Originally Posted by MoultiPass
... but I feel like I'm the only one having this problem, so I'll do without it until a fix is ​​available.

Trust me, you are not alone! Don't ask me how I know. shocked


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Originally Posted by MoultiPass
. . . so I'll do without it until a fix is ​​available.
So does anyone have a Plan B workaround for MoultiPass and Ray?
If I did I would share.


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Originellement posté par Simon - PG Music
Originellement posté par musocity
I don't know why they don't have just the Plugin Installer for download rather than the massive 500 MB package.

Because the updated plugin always requires the updated version of BIAB, and because it would otherwise be a waste of server storage for the 0.2% of users who want an incomplete installer.

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It's amusing how we're sweating over saving 100MB on the servers when we're pushing nearly 1TB of FLAC downloads this year. Talk about a factor of 10,000! wink


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For me the absolute best feature I used of version 7 of the plugin (and in general BiaB 2025) is THIS

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We're getting off topic. If you want to discuss whether v6 or v7 is better or how much you love JUCE or anything else, start a new thread. This one is specific to the crashes that RayC is having.

Originally Posted by MoultiPass
Indeed for me V7 (04 or 10) does not work correctly in generating instructions in Reaper. It takes a huge amount of time compared to versions 6.XX and above all the tracks are offset, they start too early (often on the and of the 3), and I can't correct it at all.
This should also be a separate thread, but I'll address it anyway. In the "Send to Reaper" panel, is Use REAPER Instructions" checked? If this is unchecked, then the Generate Type settings under the Generate button will be used.

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Then in Studio One, the generation does not work either and the simplest is the generation of wav, so we lose all the interest of the Plugin instructions.
Can you try the plugin standalone version? If that can't generate anything either, then you have an install issue or your folder locations are incorrect.


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I received an email that Moultipass replied, but that reply seems to have been deleted. It seems like his problem has been solved and was an installation issue. As for RayC he hasn't responded in nearly 2 weeks, but I'll leave this thread open in case he comes back.


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Yes, absolutely Simon, you put me on the right track with this story of bad installation, whereas my Biab has been in concrete for several years. After a clean and quick reinstallation, the plugin runs like a rocket. No more worries. You were right, hence a big thank you.
Actually, I removed Biab from my C: drive, so everything runs from my new Biab SSD. As a result, everything is grouped for the directories and it works perfectly, I'm not touching anything anymore


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Originally Posted by MoultiPass
After a clean and quick reinstallation, the plugin runs like a rocket.
Good to hear!

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Actually, I removed Biab from my C: drive, so everything runs from my new Biab SSD.
Honestly I always suggest running BB and the RealTracks/Drums from the same drive - it's simpler, and avoids future problems (Windows likes to change drive letters at times, for example).


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Originally Posted by MoultiPass
Actually, I removed Biab from my C: drive, so everything runs from my new Biab SSD.
Honestly I always suggest running BB and the RealTracks/Drums from the same drive - it's simpler, and avoids future problems (Windows likes to change drive letters at times, for example).

So, in your expert opinion, is installing the content libraries (RealTracks, RealDrums) in a separate drive a nice feature or an user error?

As a feature, it worked in previous versions.

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Regarding Biab, I never had any problems with RTs and RDs on a separate drive.
In my case, the issue was with the Plugin, which seemed to be lost (it couldn't generate anything, in both Reaper and Studio One). I admit that I was also using 4 Symlinks for the main folders (Demos, Soloists, Songs and Lessons, and Styles), as I thought it would save time by launching everything from my C: drive.

Since I deleted everything and did a simple installation only on the 2025 SSD, the plugin is working fine. Is it related? Probably.
For everyone whose separate drive is working, don't change anything.

Simon rightly pointed out that working on external drives without explicitly assigning fixed letters could also cause a loss of bearings in Biab, particularly with Symlinks, but I had specifically assigned fixed letters to my drives.


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So, in your expert opinion, is installing the content libraries (RealTracks, RealDrums) in a separate drive a nice feature or an user error?

As a feature, it worked in previous versions.
It is a nice feature, and it works as intended - however, as Moultipass found out it does not like working with symlinks, and like I mentioned Windows likes to change drive letter when it feels like it. I typically suggest running everything from one location for that reason, since something simple like plugging in two hard drives in a different order can be enough to change drive letters.


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You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.

Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!

The 2025 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2025 49-PAK!

Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!

With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!

These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!

This Free Bonus PAK includes:

  • The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK: -For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles. -For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles. -For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
  • Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
  • Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
  • Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
  • Playable RealTracks Set 4
  • RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
  • SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
  • 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.

Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:

  • 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
  • FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
  • Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
  • Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
  • Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
  • RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe

Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!

New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!

Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!

In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!

We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!

We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!

If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!

Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.

Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!

Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!

In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!

We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!

We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!

If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!

Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.

Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support

Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.

Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support

Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins

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