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It's come a long way, and still has back-compatibility. IMO, the back compatibility is worth the inconveniences and workarounds to get BiaB to do what I want it to do. Indeed. PGM clearly work very hard at that and I commend them for it. I do though think there are other ways they could address it.
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Notes.
maybe i'm not understanding correctly....
but cant some of what you want to do eg point 1 drum filtering be done in rb piano roll ? and in data filter options dialog in rb ?...check in the rb manual.
you can also seperate a midi data stream to individual tracks.
but maybe i'm wrong re understanding your needs.
actually notes thinking about it...as i like a challenge and youve piqued my interest...
post a midi somewhere with explicit instructions what you want done to it.
so i can experiment in rb for s's and giggles and report back .
as to notation...no comment as i'm terrible at notation...lol
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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When suggestions are way too far ahead of their time they can't be conceived to be real and seem like the rantings of a crazy man. The way to fix all the old limitations with Biab generation is put the code into C++ JUCE, fixes everything in so many ways (including better GUIs). I showed it done in Reaper, no 255 limit, no fake time signatures, audio, midi or video if I generate up 6/8, 5/4, 12/8 track it will fit the DAW time signature and existing tracks I can drop any time signature sheet music from MuseScore site into the DAW and it just fits, then I can also generate up tracks to fit it. This is not saying forget Biab use a DAW, it's simply demonstrates what can be if PG are willing and don't need to be pushed into it screaming, it's like having to go to 64bit finally because Apple banned 32bit apps it would be better just to see the writing on the wall rather than burring heads in sand, putting things off, making do, make the quantum leap as the product well deserves it. PG should not have to be behind all the time, OMG we only just got VST3  The voice of one crying in the wilderness.... ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29942&filename=Reaper-Instant-Traks.png)
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................................................OMG we only just got VST3 ............................................ But not total VST3. You can not use a VST3 GM like Goliath because BiaB will not accept a VST3 GM program. 
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really?
Why? That's a pretty big deal.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Notes.
maybe i'm not understanding correctly....
but cant some of what you want to do eg point 1 drum filtering be done in rb piano roll ? <...snip...> One note at a time. But I with just a few mouse clicks I can edit a particular note in hundreds of measures. For example, click to highlight the entire drum track. Click 8, Right and, Change filter in the dialog box below ![[Linked Image from nortonmusic.com]](https://www.nortonmusic.com/pix/ChangeFilter2.jpg) Chose the pitch of the snare drum, click start times 6 or whatever you desire, then click the notes under 2 and 4in the Change Filter (below) ![[Linked Image from nortonmusic.com]](https://www.nortonmusic.com/pix/changefilter1.jpg) Clicl OK and OK. If your song is 300 measures long, you have just changed 600 drum notes and left all the others unchanged. Other dialog boxes that you can use with the change filter [img] https://www.nortonmusic.com/pix/ChangeFilter3.jp[/img] ![[Linked Image from nortonmusic.com]](https://www.nortonmusic.com/pix/ChangeFilter4.jpg) ![[Linked Image from nortonmusic.com]](https://www.nortonmusic.com/pix/ChangeFilter5.jpg) ![[Linked Image from nortonmusic.com]](https://www.nortonmusic.com/pix/ChangeFilter6.jpg) You can do a lot of global changes, affecting thousands of notes, without affecting anything else on the same track, with fewer than a dozen clicks. I don't see anything in RB that will let me do that. Insights and incites by Notes ♫
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Notes.
great explanation.
i'm gonna see what i can do.
in the interim i would suggest your graphics be posted in rb forum with the title
'midi can rb do this' ? reason being that maybe other rb users might have better ways of doing things than i. also hopefully Jeff Y will see the post and comment.
just an idea.
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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I have version 2024 (803) running on a Mac Pro. I have no 6/8 styles like the ones shown in your screenshot.
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Presumably, this is the Set Time Signature dialog you are referring to: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29932&filename=2025-01-16_5-35-40.jpg) Yes, it is.
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e e cummings would probably guess RealBand. But I'm not sure.
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RB is Real Band and is only available for Windows machines. It is a free DAW included with BIAB for windows.
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You can read more about RealBand at this link: https://www.pgmusic.com/rbwin.htm
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Back OT, 6/8 is a kludge but easily done following many of the suggestions posted here.
As for notation, export the MIDI to most notation apps and fix it there. Finale/Dorico/Sibelius all handle this easily. MuseScore, not so much but I was told at NAMM that the upcoming v. 4.5 will be much better (long talk with MuseGroup about this and other issues last week in Anaheim).
The reason that Real Band never existed on the Mac is because GarageBand is free (since 2012, I think). PG Music has considered RB for Mac redundant—not sure they're wrong but I am long past caring—don't see RB bringing anything to the table that I'm not doing now.
As for myself, I start a lot of projects in BIAB but finish most in Digital Performer where I can edit my performances to the gnat's whisker if I so please. This has become more difficult since BIAB is not Apple Silicon Native and no longer plays well with other apps that are—this got worse with 2024. But… BIAB still saves me a ton of time which is why I use and like it.
I'd much rather see AS Native for 2025 than 6/8 & 12/8 be added—but I do think it's long past time.
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