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FWIW - I think we have to stop worrying about how people currently use BiaB. Some of the outstanding suggestions along with accompanying mock-ups are radical changes from the current GUI. If we keep worrying about the current GUI/workflow then nothing will change. We all are capable of change. IMHO if this is going to happen lets do it right the first time.
That is just my opinion and other may not agree with me. I absolutely agree. The program really (and I mean, really) needs a complete GUI redesign. This has been discussed here extensively, at least for the last ten / fifteen years.
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Yes, I was trying to make it less intrusive and less of a change for people used to using the cord track. That is why I suggested the grid only shows up when entering in chords for a particular bar. I also think 1/8th is enough granularity. FWIW - I think we have to stop worrying about how people currently use BiaB. Some of the outstanding suggestions along with accompanying mock-ups are radical changes from the current GUI. If we keep worrying about the current GUI/workflow then nothing will change. We all are capable of change. IMHO if this is going to happen lets do it right the first time. That is just my opinion and other may not agree with me. I would tend to agree however, to be clear, I would embark on a complete parallel rewrite including a new UI. I did it 3 times in a in a 30-year carrier and each was huge leap in UX. I have also watched and work with PGM for over a decade. They will take small steps and add things, but rarely will they replace something. My suggestions are all doable in 2025.
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FWIW - I think we have to stop worrying about how people currently use BiaB. Some of the outstanding suggestions along with accompanying mock-ups are radical changes from the current GUI. If we keep worrying about the current GUI/workflow then nothing will change. We all are capable of change. IMHO if this is going to happen lets do it right the first time.
That is just my opinion and other may not agree with me. I absolutely agree. The program really (and I mean, really) needs a complete GUI redesign. This has been discussed here extensively, at least for the last ten / fifteen years. Agree. +1 However, likely it will be a challenge to do it all overnight. Even big companies with very deep pockets do it in parts. I would rather see a few most supported big concepts done very well, and if successful (cheering crowd), continue the trend going forward, than see something mediocre done as a whole.
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Meanwhile back to what we agree upon.
1) Higher resolution for a bar.
2) Resolution that marches time signature.
3) Some way to easily enter chords up to 1/8 on the chord sheet.
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I think the changes in Chord Sheet are very important. You can directly refer to the most popular DAWs, such as STUDIO ONE, CUBASE. You can create a "Chord track", below is the instrument VST, PIANO ROLL, Audio track. After establishing the concept of chord track, we further refined the chord track. For example, it is more convenient to input content. It is changed into multiple small grids. We removed the micro chord function. I have never used micro chords. We directly subdivided each bar. I talked about this issue a few years ago. https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=744720#Post744720
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Everything shows an unfolded view. What about multiple choruses, tags, repeats? Band-in-a-Box has humanizing selections that are invoked when these features are used.
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@MarioD,
Current users of BiaB, should really have no problem adjusting to the new GUI even if it is radically changed, and any new users should find it easier to use than it currently is.
There, will be a learning curve, and all good software has a learning curve.
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@MarioD,
Current users of BiaB, should really have no problem adjusting to the new GUI even if it is radically changed, and any new users should find it easier to use than it currently is.
There, will be a learning curve, and all good software has a learning curve. That was my point.
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Suggestion: Pure contextual menu for Chord Sheet. Simplifying it to just the chords, bars and progression improve the user workflow. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30080&filename=BB chord context.png) Everything else is a distraction and better belong somewhere else.
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Yes, I was trying to make it less intrusive and less of a change for people used to using the cord track. That is why I suggested the grid only shows up when entering in chords for a particular bar. I also think 1/8th is enough granularity. FWIW - I think we have to stop worrying about how people currently use BiaB. Some of the outstanding suggestions along with accompanying mock-ups are radical changes from the current GUI. If we keep worrying about the current GUI/workflow then nothing will change. We all are capable of change. IMHO if this is going to happen lets do it right the first time. That is just my opinion and other may not agree with me. My mockup was a radical change, compared to the original solution for micro chords. I like and agree with MarioD ideas as well.
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"Song Master Pro, is a beautiful example of how different views can be integrated in a single screen in a really intuitive way:"
"You can also move chords directly from the main screen, just by draggin them. Note that the chords will move accordingly to the snap setting, so it's possible to insert up to 16 chords per bar from here (no need to use commas, carets, or that counterintuitive "Micro chords" feature)"I saw Chord Sheet improvements in the Forum Tittle and I thought I would post about having the chord entry in the Tracks View and how you can zoom in to enter chords on any beat resolution without the comas and micro chords, BUT you did already, and not only that but this awesome looking and incredibly well designed GUI. RapidComposer would enter chords the same way depending on what the snap resolution was set to, drag and resize chords. I will have to go check this out ! thanks Cerio ! Why design all views independently, forcing the user to choose between the ‘Chords’ view OR the ‘Tracks’ view? Wouldn't be much better if we had a main screen where the user could simultaneously see all the most important views (chords, tracks, lyrics, sections, the whole song's structure...) and edit any of them from a single place? Take a look, for example, at Song Master Pro, is a beautiful example of how different views can be integrated in a single screen in a really intuitive way: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30014&filename=1 Main.png) First, you always have a view of the whole song structure, you can navigate to the different parts directly from there, and you can also zoom in/out directly from there: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30033&filename=2 Song.png) Then, you have different "Tracks" (Views) that you can show / hide as you wish. No need to see the "Sections" or the "Lyrics" track? No problem, just hide them: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30032&filename=Hide.gif) Want to use the mixer or any other tool? Just click on the tiny icons at the top right to show / hide the tools / browser panels: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30031&filename=Panels.gif)
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I am partially color blind and can't tell many colors. In some threads I have to highlight some areas as I can't read them. Thus any color theme in BiaB must have the option to adjust or change any color.
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I am partially color blind and can't tell many colors. In some threads I have to highlight some areas as I can't read them. Thus any color theme in BiaB must have the option to adjust or change any color. Yes/+1.
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Summary of input on Chord Sheet:
OP: This thread is for suggestions regarding the Chord Sheet view.
This is for specific suggestions only, not general comments.
Text about Arrangement/Arranger Track:
Supporters: robertw, jpettit, Charlie
More granularity in Bars/match signature/Integrate Micro Chords:
Supporters: Matt Finley, jpettit, ~Rustyspoon#, MarioD
One Main Screen with Panels: (most popular in original UI Thread)
Supporters: robertw, Cerio, jpettit, Rustyspoon#,musocity
A bit OT: This challenges the need for a Track view and a Chord View
Editable Chords Track
Supporters: jpettit, babymusic, Cerio, musocity
A bit OT: This challenges the need for a Track view and a Chord View
Improved (clean to the context) and more context menus
Supporters: jpettit
A universal input.
If PGM really wants input form customer and want to know how popular the idea is the need to turn on voting capabilities in the Forum.
Tendency to divert from the OP and minimal customer input are common with just open-ended conversations.
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Improved (clean to the context) and more context menus
Supporters: jpettit
A universal input. +1000 to context menus, which are an essential to improve discoverability > ease of use > better user experience. https://www.uxpin.com/studio/blog/discoverability-in-ux/In Reaper, for example, right clicking on almost any element opens a menu with options about that element, so the user always know what is possible to do with that. Super simple, super intuitive and super effective: https://youtube.com/shorts/OKIASspvNgs?si=0MuBZOsp_l_sji9b
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"In Reaper, for example, right clicking on almost any element opens a menu with options about that element, so the user always know what is possibler to do with that element. Super simple, super intuitive and super effective:
https://youtube.com/shorts/OKIASspvNgs?si=0MuBZOsp_l_sji9b
"I posted a video on [R*****] menus to give ideas but it just got deleted.
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I posted a video on [R*****] menus to give ideas but it just got deleted. Reaper has one of the best, well thought, user interfaces I have ever seen. I remember very well, 15 years ago the day when, working in the middle of a production, I moved all my projects from cubase to reaper after installing the program and testing it just for a few minutes. After a couple of hours of use I felt way more comfortable with Reaper than after years and years of using Cubase, Logic or Protools. And the reason of that was simply because, despite having a zillion of features, everything I needed was exactly where I thought it should be, and everything worked exactly how I thought it should work.
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In Reaper, for example, right clicking on almost any element opens a menu with options about that element, so the user always know what is possible to do with that. Super simple, super intuitive and super effective: Precisely that is done in an awful lot of software and it works well. If the software starts out with that philosophy, then it stays solid and consistent as it grows and evolves.
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You can't improve Biab unless you study [R*****], I have spent so much time over the years posting things to make Biab/RB/Plugin better by showing examples in [R*****], whether it's Instant Gen Play Direct, Live Arranger or so many other things.
The trouble is so many like to criticize and are offended with me posting all this info as they have not or will not try things so remain in the past. This is like the numero uno thing that keeps these products way behind other software. It's so good to see those here that understand and don't knock or delete. For me to take on the establishment has by no means been an easy thing.
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