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#843418 02/19/25 11:22 AM
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I made this song especially Synthesizer V vocalist Weina in mind. Weina's soft sound is so sweet and silky. Because her voice provider is Chinese, I added some Chinese instruments to have more authenticity, but I wanted to create a synthesis of Western and Eastern instrumental landscape - I'm actually very satisified how the arrangement worked out, Guzheng and DiziFlute sound very nice together with Weina's voice and the ending solo guitar fits very well with the mood I was looking for. I really enjoy creating amazing arrangement with BIAB by combining instruments from many styles and cultures.

However, I'm not fully satisified with the end result: Weina's voice is bit weak with higher notes so I had to support her with Sheena in the chorus. And the message doesn't fully deliver my intention - I think I may have to rewrite the bridge part. Let's say that this is a "reverse love song" about "a romance between the real and the virtual world", I hope you can create your own interpretation based on those clues smile

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Your blue eyes
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scattered rays of sunlight
all over my home
the laughter in your wordplay
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I miss that glittering
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You have called me a hero
that my bravest act was loving you
no one even dared before
so it was my due.
You have called me inventive
when I relieved your symptoms
letting your creations shine through.

Your shy smile
shall remind me of that first night
when I raised your courage
by holding you tight
but I can take no credit
for the melodies made out of woe
I only played the strings
of your soul.

You have called me...

Sorry how things went
but life is rarely fair
when you tried your wings
I wish I'd been the air.
When I walk my dog
I am dreaming of an owl
laying his wise eyes on me
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Hi Janne.
I agree in part.
To me the musical accompaniment sounds a little busy and aggressive for the vocal.
I'd suggest a softer instrumental track but I could be wrong.

Vic

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Janne, I agree with you, and like the timbre of Weina's vocals a lot. Also like your fusion of east and west. I think it works even though the vocalist is only very faintly discernable as non-English to my ears. Very cool chord progression, interesting arrangement and pretty melody. The false ending followed by the instrumental outro is neat, too. Vague and/or ambiguous love songs are always fun, but I'm not following the final owl/howl passage. May be completely attributable to me, as I'm not often the sharpest knife in the drawer. Enjoyed your tune!


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Janne,

I like this. I think some of the softness of Weina's voice gives this an authentic sound. Nice mix and overall production.

Enjoyed!

Bob

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Ah, so I figured by the title that this one must be autobiographical. You are my hero in all the best meanings of the word, Janne. Excellent lyrics for sure. Love your idea of mixing east and west, and I cautiously contradict my hero by saying I think you did a great job. I like the Bridge. When I (moreorless) isolate Weina's voice, I can hear why you came up with that clever idea of adding Sheena support. My second listen revealed so much of all the goodness you packed into this one. I agree with the softness in her voice, and I also agree with Bob Dean in that her authenticity shines above any percieved flaw.


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Nicely done.

So.... I'd back off on the flute in the sections where the singer is singing. You should almost never have anything competing with a singer. It's very distracting.
Regarding the singer getting weak on the higher notes.... yep.... I have had to deal with that too. Of course you want to go for the high notes because they just sound better. Sometimes switching to falsetto helps. I'd suggest playing around with the parameters of the voice. Power, as well as gender can keep the voice stronger and using automation to adjust those parameters just where they are needed can be very helpful. TBH, I'm still trying to figure out how to do a few things and automation of certain areas is one of them. I know it's possible.


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Hi Janne, I think you have a great start here.
I agree that soften the backing tracks would help a lot.
Also I think that the chorus sounds rushed. Maybe lowering the vocal pitch might help although that may require a chorus rewrite. YMMV
I think you have a potential gem here that just needs a little polishing.


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I agree with nearly all of the production comments..amazed at your handling of the Synth=V voices.
I’ll comment on two things: I kept waiting to hear an awkward emphasis on some of the sung syllables, but you handled each “danger” area expertly—great job!
Second..as a listener, I couldn’t get a sense of what you were trying to communicate in the lyric..so perhaps sharpening it up a bit might direct the hearer to where you want to take them.


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Originally Posted by vicarn
Hi Janne.
I agree in part.
To me the musical accompaniment sounds a little busy and aggressive for the vocal.
I'd suggest a softer instrumental track but I could be wrong.

Vic

Thanks Vic for your nice feedback smile You are not wrong, of course, this is just my view on the meeting of Yin (soft) and Yang (aggressive) smile

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Originally Posted by DC Ron
Janne, I agree with you, and like the timbre of Weina's vocals a lot. Also like your fusion of east and west. I think it works even though the vocalist is only very faintly discernable as non-English to my ears. Very cool chord progression, interesting arrangement and pretty melody. The false ending followed by the instrumental outro is neat, too. Vague and/or ambiguous love songs are always fun, but I'm not following the final owl/howl passage. May be completely attributable to me, as I'm not often the sharpest knife in the drawer. Enjoyed your tune!

Thanks DC Ron for your pleasant review of my song smile Glad you liked the false ending, BIAB generated very lovely bend for the guzheng which I had to emphasize a little bit and it is one of my favorite parts in the song.

You could think the owl as a metaphor for a messenger from another world delivering the last goodbye as a relief to the storyteller. But that is just one possible interpretation laugh

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Hi Janne, I always enjoy hearing a new song from you!

Good job as always with the synth vocals.

Nice changes and melody. I enjoyed the instrumentation, including the flute, I thought it complimented the singer quite well. Really liked it when you brought the lead guitar in at 3:00 or so.

Good stuff!

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Janne,

You post some of the most interesting songs on the forum. This one was a little more "cultivated". Love the East-West aura.

I'd keep the flute where it is, but drop the volume of it as your wonderful singer serenades us.. very nicely composed and presented. You always do good work.

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Originally Posted by rsdean
Janne,

I like this. I think some of the softness of Weina's voice gives this an authentic sound. Nice mix and overall production.

Enjoyed!

Bob

Thanks Bob, I really appreciate your kind feedback smile

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Originally Posted by BabuMusic
Ah, so I figured by the title that this one must be autobiographical. You are my hero in all the best meanings of the word, Janne. Excellent lyrics for sure. Love your idea of mixing east and west, and I cautiously contradict my hero by saying I think you did a great job. I like the Bridge. When I (moreorless) isolate Weina's voice, I can hear why you came up with that clever idea of adding Sheena support. My second listen revealed so much of all the goodness you packed into this one. I agree with the softness in her voice, and I also agree with Bob Dean in that her authenticity shines above any percieved flaw.

Thanks Marty, you read my like a CV wink And thanks for the overwhelming positivity in your feedback that really warmed my heart blush

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I think the 2nd voice may be a little too loud: not supporting but competing.

The drum fills may the issue that brings aggression...they are a bit full on in parts.

Cool arrangement & melody.


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I think it's a pretty cool idea to mix the different cultures.
That the female singer sometimes needs a bit more space to shine has already been mentioned, but otherwise the mix is pretty good.
If a singer can't reach the higher notes properly, I either change the singer or transpose down.
With BIAB, that's easy enough!

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Very fine mashup of East and West

We always enjoy “connect the dots” lyrics and these are excellent.

Weina’s voice is soft and the addition of Sheena is nice also..

Love the first verse lyric especially.
I was watching the light in the kitchen from the sun catcher as I listened.
Also love this line: “I only played the strings of your soul.”

Love that Guzheng instrument.

To us this is a nice creative and diferent piece that turned out very well!

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Originally Posted by Guitarhacker
Nicely done.

So.... I'd back off on the flute in the sections where the singer is singing. You should almost never have anything competing with a singer. It's very distracting.
Regarding the singer getting weak on the higher notes.... yep.... I have had to deal with that too. Of course you want to go for the high notes because they just sound better. Sometimes switching to falsetto helps. I'd suggest playing around with the parameters of the voice. Power, as well as gender can keep the voice stronger and using automation to adjust those parameters just where they are needed can be very helpful. TBH, I'm still trying to figure out how to do a few things and automation of certain areas is one of them. I know it's possible.

Thanks Herb for your positive feedback and good advices smile I now played again with the parameters and I noticed that adding tension and lessening breathiness would help in high notes... I guess that is quite voice specific thing and you have to learn how to handle the weaknesses of each of your singer - and I'm glad that they don't complain about it smile

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Originally Posted by MarioD
Hi Janne, I think you have a great start here.
I agree that soften the backing tracks would help a lot.
Also I think that the chorus sounds rushed. Maybe lowering the vocal pitch might help although that may require a chorus rewrite. YMMV
I think you have a potential gem here that just needs a little polishing.

Thanks Mario for your kind comment and good advices smile As I've mentioned earlier, the backing track is bit hard on purpose, but I understand some like it not hot. I don't hear a rushed chorus, maybe I need to wash my ears smile

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Originally Posted by Tano Music
I agree with nearly all of the production comments..amazed at your handling of the Synth=V voices.
I’ll comment on two things: I kept waiting to hear an awkward emphasis on some of the sung syllables, but you handled each “danger” area expertly—great job!
Second..as a listener, I couldn’t get a sense of what you were trying to communicate in the lyric..so perhaps sharpening it up a bit might direct the hearer to where you want to take them.

Thanks for your very positive comment, especially concering emphasis - always difficult area to me smile And I appreciate what you say about the lyric, sometimes I like to keep certain things mystery, although I understand some don't like lyrics to be crossword puzzles... I think with my song the problem lies in the different perspective - the vocalist sings about words of another person, this is the first time I've tried this and I know it wasn't very successful try - feels like an impossible to task make it really work.

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What a great sounding track!! Weina sounds perfect for this song. Like the choice of instruments, flutes, and chinese orchestration. Nice mix and production


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Janne,

Great song and I really love the artsy-ness, and the magical mix here.

Really nice! A GREAT listen. Well done.

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Janne, I'm so pumped that you used Chinese instruments, I wish more of us would take a shot at them. This was great and I encourage you to keep experimenting. The last verse in particular was outstanding for me. I say that because the prosody was spot on and it was very poetic. Love your exploration, keep it up!


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Originally Posted by BlueAttitude
Hi Janne, I always enjoy hearing a new song from you!

Good job as always with the synth vocals.

Nice changes and melody. I enjoyed the instrumentation, including the flute, I thought it complimented the singer quite well. Really liked it when you brought the lead guitar in at 3:00 or so.

Good stuff!

Thanks Dave for your kind feedback smile Glad you liked the flute and the lead guitar introduction, they were really important part of my vision.

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Originally Posted by Al-David
Janne,

You post some of the most interesting songs on the forum. This one was a little more "cultivated". Love the East-West aura.

I'd keep the flute where it is, but drop the volume of it as your wonderful singer serenades us.. very nicely composed and presented. You always do good work.

Alan

Thanks Alan, your kind reviews always warm my heart smile I love the "cultivated" part smile Yep, if I ever touch this song again, I'll unmask the vocal against the the flute.

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Originally Posted by rayc
I think the 2nd voice may be a little too loud: not supporting but competing.

The drum fills may the issue that brings aggression...they are a bit full on in parts.

Cool arrangement & melody.

Thanks Ray for your nice and insightful feedback smile I agree about the 2nd voice, I tried to set it to a softer vocal mode, but I guess it was not enough.

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Janne,

Very nice inspired blend of instrumentation! Your choices are very effective in producing the desired effect you mentioned! Those voices chosen sound wonderful to me! You have arranged and produced a beautiful sounding song with clever melody and chord changes! This song sounds complete to me!

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Lovely song Janne. The vocalist reminded me of Shigeki's songs. Very pretty vocal and lyric. I really liked the mix and production. Well done...


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Hi Janne,

As many before me, I liked your mix with East and West culture/instruments a lot.
I agree it matched in a very good way. So your song is a very good song indeed!

About the singing of the ladies;
The thing that came to me was she hardly breathed while singing (I know AI-vocals don't need that, but if you humanize them I think you have to be aware of that.
The lines she sing were very long, f.i. take that first verse: (Your blue eyes in the colors of my sky dome, scattered rays of sunlight all over my home,
the laughter in your wordplay was the star dust on the windowpanes. I miss that glittering when it rains). She sang that without audible breathing, or?

But beside that, your lyrics are so good, as they always are, like your melody and the instruments you use. I think I said it before, but this is a real Popfinger song.

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Janne, I saw I already replied to your song. And I didn't mention the breathing ;-)
I thought I forgot you...

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Originally Posted by B.D.Thomas
I think it's a pretty cool idea to mix the different cultures.
That the female singer sometimes needs a bit more space to shine has already been mentioned, but otherwise the mix is pretty good.
If a singer can't reach the higher notes properly, I either change the singer or transpose down.
With BIAB, that's easy enough!

Thanks B.D. for your positive feedback smile Well, in this case I couldn't change the singer, because the song was made for Weina, Transposing down is not that easy if you have used partial generation to generate a great solo... but I'll keep your ideas in my mind and think about the vocal range _before_ I make the final arrangement.

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Originally Posted by Janice & Bud
Very fine mashup of East and West

We always enjoy “connect the dots” lyrics and these are excellent.

Weina’s voice is soft and the addition of Sheena is nice also..

Love the first verse lyric especially.
I was watching the light in the kitchen from the sun catcher as I listened.
Also love this line: “I only played the strings of your soul.”

Love that Guzheng instrument.

To us this is a nice creative and diferent piece that turned out very well!

J&B

Thanks Janice & Bud for your always positive and encouraging feedback smile And thanks for mentioning that line, it is my favorite and expresses exactly what I wanted to say with this song.

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The mixing of the East and West instrumentation creates a unique and intriguing sounds. Very cleverly arranged.

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Originally Posted by Elliott Kayne
What a great sounding track!! Weina sounds perfect for this song. Like the choice of instruments, flutes, and chinese orchestration. Nice mix and production

Thanks Elliott very much for your heartwarming words smile I'm really glad you liked Weina and those chinese instruments.

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Originally Posted by David Snyder
Janne,

Great song and I really love the artsy-ness, and the magical mix here.

Really nice! A GREAT listen. Well done.

Thanks David for your wonderful review smile "artsy-ness" and "magical" are words I really enjoyed to read blush

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Originally Posted by TuneMonger
Janne, I'm so pumped that you used Chinese instruments, I wish more of us would take a shot at them. This was great and I encourage you to keep experimenting. The last verse in particular was outstanding for me. I say that because the prosody was spot on and it was very poetic. Love your exploration, keep it up!

Thanks TuneMonger for your kind words smile I fully agree with your words about Chinese instruments, hopefully other members on this will hear us. I'm also very happy what you said about the prosody, because I was worried that somebody might complain about it, maybe I managed to hide one culprit that I'm still not happy with...

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Janne,

Living in Japan, I sometimes hear traditional Chinese music.
Your melody this time is completely Western style.
So I felt a little sense of incongruity with the sounds of Chinese instruments.
But it's an excellent pop song. I can feel your talent.
And It's great that you are taking on so many different challenges.
Also, Synthesizer V Weina (lead) and Sheena (backing) are wonderful.
You've mastered how to use Synthesizer V.
Enjoyed my listen a lot.

Best regards.

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Originally Posted by Torrey Bliss
Janne,

Very nice inspired blend of instrumentation! Your choices are very effective in producing the desired effect you mentioned! Those voices chosen sound wonderful to me! You have arranged and produced a beautiful sounding song with clever melody and chord changes! This song sounds complete to me!

Thanks, TB

Thanks Torrey for your positive review smile I'm glad you liked my voice selection!

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Originally Posted by Scott C
Lovely song Janne. The vocalist reminded me of Shigeki's songs. Very pretty vocal and lyric. I really liked the mix and production. Well done...

Thanks Scott for your kind feedback smile

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Originally Posted by Birchwood
Hi Janne,

As many before me, I liked your mix with East and West culture/instruments a lot.
I agree it matched in a very good way. So your song is a very good song indeed!

About the singing of the ladies;
The thing that came to me was she hardly breathed while singing (I know AI-vocals don't need that, but if you humanize them I think you have to be aware of that.
The lines she sing were very long, f.i. take that first verse: (Your blue eyes in the colors of my sky dome, scattered rays of sunlight all over my home,
the laughter in your wordplay was the star dust on the windowpanes. I miss that glittering when it rains). She sang that without audible breathing, or?

But beside that, your lyrics are so good, as they always are, like your melody and the instruments you use. I think I said it before, but this is a real Popfinger song.

Hans

Thanks Hans, always pleasure to read your insightful comments about my music smile Glad you liked this song and the mix of instruments.

And yes you are perfectly right, those synth vocalists don't have to breathe, at least not yet wink I guess I should sing the song myself first to find the best breathing points. But I'm too lazy to go into so much details hehehe but I'll try to improve my habits and add more breathing syllables, it is just putting 'br' here and there, afterall smile

Originally Posted by Birchwood
Janne, I saw I already replied to your song. And I didn't mention the breathing ;-)
I thought I forgot you...

You can reply as many time as you like. Or you can freely forget me laugh

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Originally Posted by Ezekiel's Storm
The mixing of the East and West instrumentation creates a unique and intriguing sounds. Very cleverly arranged.

Thanks for your pleasant feedback smile Glad you liked the East - West approach.

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Janne,
Excellent show of composition skills. Unusual and brave style fusion.
"when you tried your wings
I wish I'd been the air." Nice!
Thank you for sharing.
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Originally Posted by animarorecords
Living in Japan, I sometimes hear traditional Chinese music.
Your melody this time is completely Western style.
So I felt a little sense of incongruity with the sounds of Chinese instruments.
But it's an excellent pop song. I can feel your talent.
And It's great that you are taking on so many different challenges.
Also, Synthesizer V Weina (lead) and Sheena (backing) are wonderful.
You've mastered how to use Synthesizer V.
Enjoyed my listen a lot.

Best regards.

Shigeki Adachi

Thanks Shigeki Adachi, I appreciate your heartwarming and valuable feedback smile I agree what you say about incongruity, I haven't listened to or studied Eastern melodies, that's why I stayed with Western ones. I'm also amazed by your ability to make music that is so Western sounding instrumentally, melodically and chordingly. But maybe you could showcase more Eastern influenced song one day!?

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Originally Posted by Rustyspoon#
Janne,
Excellent show of composition skills. Unusual and brave style fusion.
"when you tried your wings
I wish I'd been the air." Nice!
Thank you for sharing.
Misha.

Thanks Misha for your positive comment smile Enjoyed every word!

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