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Long story short, I was running the board at a friends home studio. we were recording dialog voice over content to a single track. First two tracks went great. Then I armed for track 3, hit record and we immediatly hear a low hum on the track. Not enough to stop us but enough to have to use post production processing to remove a 60 Hz hum from the track. Same thing happen on the final track 4.

How could this happen in the middle of our recording session. Nothing was moved and nothing was changed.

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Sounds like maybe a ground loop problem.
Can't say why it happened all of sudden but you might try minimizing the number of outlets involved.


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Did something else turn on between the 2nd and 3rd recordings? Maybe a refrigerator, air conditioner, heater, etc?


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Originally Posted by MarioD
Did something else turn on between the 2nd and 3rd recordings? Maybe a refrigerator, air conditioner, heater, etc?

Well not that I know of. But I was only in the bedroom studio. With the vocal talent at the mic. There were others in the house.


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Heat kicked on smile


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Was the volume or impedance or something set differently for track 3?


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AT, I change nothing between track 2 (no hum) and track 3 (hum). But rharv may have a point. It is cold here these days and I may not have heard the furnace. The home owner says he gets this hum in the past with his system and has never figured out where it originates. In fact when I was helping him set things up, he did have a "black box gizmo" which he plugged a bunch of cables into which was intened to shield the signals. I removed it feeling it was not needed for a home studio setup and just added unnecessary complexity. And all work well a couple weeks ago when we recorded Segments 1 thru 13 of his project. But this time, from out of no where the hum returned.

BTW, I would love to tell you guys the full back story about this project... but that would take a huge posting which would need its own thread.


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Well, it sounds like you have narrowed it down a bit. Keep us in the loop.


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Good ideas so far. I hope the friend’s studio uses a dedicated circuit. Otherwise things like a furnace, fridge, air conditioner, ceiling fan, even a florescent light can do this. We had one case where an AM radio station down the street caused it. Solution on that one: move.

Steve suggested ground loop. Get a $10 outlet tester and check every outlet that audio equipment could be plugged into, since cables connect the various devices. I always try to plug all connected audio into the same outlet.


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Originally Posted by rharv
Heat kicked on smile

Or the refrigerator.

I live in the middle of the Silicon Valley, one of the electrically noisiest places on the planet. I have a long list of solutions for this issue, not one completely effective. I use them in combination to get the job done: star-quad mic and instrument cables, ferrite beads for USB cables, iron rings, balanced step-up/step-down transformers… All contribute to the solution. My studio is dead quiet now as far as electrical noises are concerned.

The exception is star-quad power cables—no difference at all but not very expensive because I made my own.

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We had one case where an AM radio station down the street caused it. Solution on that one: move.

My San Jose house had a radio tower 8 blocks away. Normally, not an issue unless I used an effects box on my guitar — useless! For the last 21 years, I’ve been renting that house to San Jose State music students and no one has complained about this, no idea why.


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Originally Posted by Matt Finley
... even a florescent light can do this. ...
cheap LEDs can as well, they can add a lot of interference to various things
I had to solve that once by process of elimination; unplugged landscape lighting and issue went away
Luckily I didn't have to move to solve that one smile

But yeah, something in the house kicked on, as mentioned it could be furnace, A/C, Fridge .. I guessed furnace just because of your location <grin>


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Yes, good point. Cheap LED's will most likely have a cheap switch-mode power supply. If it's really basic, it can generate unwanted noise that can propagate into other sensitive equipment.


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Originally Posted by AudioTrack
Keep us in the loop.
Pun intended?


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Originally Posted by Simon - PG Music
Originally Posted by AudioTrack
Keep us in the loop.
Pun intended?
Your answers are always well grounded.


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Originally Posted by Matt Finley
Originally Posted by Simon - PG Music
Originally Posted by AudioTrack
Keep us in the loop.
Pun intended?
Your answers are always well grounded.
Currently, I'd say these answers are quite electric


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Originally Posted by Matt Finley
Your answers are always well grounded.
That's because I always know watt's up.

Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
Currently, I'd say these answers are quite electric
Shocking but true!


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Originally Posted by Simon - PG Music
Originally Posted by Matt Finley
Your answers are always well grounded.
That's because I always know watt's up.

Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
Currently, I'd say these answers are quite electric
Shocking but true!

Ya sure. I'll bet your favorite band is AC DC.


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This thread turning into silly jokes is not shocking.


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Originally Posted by MarioD
Originally Posted by Simon - PG Music
Originally Posted by Matt Finley
Your answers are always well grounded.
That's because I always know watt's up.

Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
Currently, I'd say these answers are quite electric
Shocking but true!

Ya sure. I'll bet your favorite band is AC DC.

I'm just glad Simon is the Conductor of this train.


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Originally Posted by MarioD
Ya sure. I'll bet your favorite band is AC DC.
Nah I'm more into Electric Wizard.

Originally Posted by rharv
This thread turning into silly jokes is not shocking.
Speak for yourself, it gave me quite the jolt!

Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
I'm just glad Simon is the Conductor of this train.
Happy to be of service (manual)! Honestly I was hesitant to jump over this thread, but I ended up taking the path of least resistance.


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Originally Posted by Simon - PG Music
Originally Posted by MarioD
Ya sure. I'll bet your favorite band is AC DC.
Nah I'm more into Electric Wizard.

Originally Posted by rharv
This thread turning into silly jokes is not shocking.
Speak for yourself, it gave me quite the jolt!

Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
I'm just glad Simon is the Conductor of this train.
Happy to be of service (manual)! Honestly I was hesitant to jump over this thread, but I ended up taking the path of least resistance.

Who would possibly want to insulate themselves from such wit and wisdom as can be found here?


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Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
Originally Posted by Simon - PG Music
Originally Posted by MarioD
Ya sure. I'll bet your favorite band is AC DC.
Nah I'm more into Electric Wizard.

Originally Posted by rharv
This thread turning into silly jokes is not shocking.
Speak for yourself, it gave me quite the jolt!

Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
I'm just glad Simon is the Conductor of this train.
Happy to be of service (manual)! Honestly I was hesitant to jump over this thread, but I ended up taking the path of least resistance.

Who would possibly want to insulate themselves from such wit and wisdom as can be found here?

OK, lets stop this nonsense and get back to current events.


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Originally Posted by MarioD
Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
Originally Posted by Simon - PG Music
Originally Posted by MarioD
Ya sure. I'll bet your favorite band is AC DC.
Nah I'm more into Electric Wizard.

Originally Posted by rharv
This thread turning into silly jokes is not shocking.
Speak for yourself, it gave me quite the jolt!

Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
I'm just glad Simon is the Conductor of this train.
Happy to be of service (manual)! Honestly I was hesitant to jump over this thread, but I ended up taking the path of least resistance.

Who would possibly want to insulate themselves from such wit and wisdom as can be found here?

OK, lets stop this nonsense and get back to current events.

I agree with Mario, even though I just had my morning coffee and am amped-up for more.


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"we were recording dialog voice over"
I assume separate mics? Issues with mic cable? - had these quite a few times (humming cables). Last year I had an older (80s) mic with intermittent hum / grounding issues. If I held mic in hand - no humming. As soon as it went on stand -hum. I re-soldered internal connector and problem was gone. In any case, if it's mic related, I would try swapping cables / try another mic on same humming channel.

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Originally Posted by MarioD
Originally Posted by Simon - PG Music
Originally Posted by Matt Finley
Your answers are always well grounded.
That's because I always know watt's up.

Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
Currently, I'd say these answers are quite electric
Shocking but true!

Ya sure. I'll bet your favorite band is AC DC.

Or Tesla perhaps . . .


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I got the answer to my original question today. I got this email form my "client" where I experienced the hum but with no idea why it came and went...


"BTW, Justin, the film maker, was here a few weeks ago to scope out my studio room for the shoot. While here we talked about the mic line noise. He tested it, and he heard it. He tested and discovered I had a bad, but very brand-new mic cable. We switched it out with another Mic cable, and the line noise is gone."

Still hope to find time some day to tell you all about this project I stumbled into. It is just now starting to go public so I can send a link at some time.

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Or you could have trusted my theory from April 4th smile
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Issues with mic cable? - had these quite a few times (humming cables).

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Originally Posted by Rustyspoon#
Or you could have trusted my theory from April 4th smile
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Issues with mic cable? - had these quite a few times (humming cables).
Winner.

I just had a new mic cable (XLR) prove bad.


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Of couse Rusty that is why I brought this question here. grin

Now for a bit of the back story...

I stumbled onto an interesting opportunity to do some audio editing for a project involving a videographer recording narration of his video (voice over work).
I have to be a bit secretive here. This individual is a professional musician who some years back suffered a stroke and lost his ability to sing/speak. He has been preparing a life history video for the past couple years. He is at the stage where he is having a voice over actor come in to record the narration in his home studio. All the final video and mixing will be done in a professional studio.

Unfortunately, his home studio was in disarray and not fully installed in the current location. His stroke caused cognitive damage and he was unable to get his gear up and running. He reached out via our local town FB, looking for someone in the area who could help with setup. Now I am not a sound engineer, but I can set up a DAW and associated equipment (which by the way was all pro level gear). I stopped by and got things installed and operational. But his DAW was Studio 1 One version 7. Which I have no experience with. Since he wanted to get recording immediately, I installed Reaper and showed him how to arm and record a track. He took notes but communicated to me that he was not able to run the board due to his illness. Long story short I have now recorded 13 individual narratives with his voice over artist. He has taken all our tracks to his pro studio where they have incorporated them into a master mix.

This week he has the camera crew coming to film him in his home studio playing live and needs backing drums and Guitar FX. He asked me to come over to install and setup his EzDrummer and Amplitube plugins.

He has promised me he will find some small place in the movie credits to call me out by name for “engineering support”. What a treat for me! I will come back with a link to the project when it goes public.

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This is all great Dan!

Well done !!


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discovered I had a bad, but very brand-new mic cable. We switched it out with another Mic cable, and the line noise is gone."

There are few things worse than chasing down a noise and finding it to be the brand new cables—as I found out reconditioning a turntable for my kids and connecting with set of hookup wires I bought off Amazon because I wanted them next day. Grrr…

Buying cable can be quite frustrating these days. Many brands one has never heard of, all looking great but rebranding crap as above. Tried and true brands such as ProCo not being available in music stores anymore, way overpriced boutique cables making nonsense promises, the list goes on…

I now buy custom starquad cables made by Sescom through Markertek. Nine lengths in any of eight colors—a 25’ mic cable is $27.49. Some colors are in stock; others may take up to two weeks. Only downside is the lead time. They have thousands of standard options but truly custom cables are available with a minor upcharge. Markertek started off as a broadcast supply house and is the go-to for most large studios etc. I discovered them about 50 years ago

As I’ve posted before, Starquad is actually quieter than 2-conductor balanced wire but only in an electrically noisy environment such as mine in the middle of the SiliconValley. If you can’t hear a difference, you didn’t need it—I do but, at these prices, I see no need to use anything else. Sescom uses Canare, Belden and Mogami if you need really thin cable. I made some starquad power cables (required in certain industrial applications) but they made no difference in my studio.


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Mike has a very good tip: Markertek. The store (and factory) is only a half-hour from my house, and I get all serious cables there.


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Originally Posted by Matt Finley
Mike has a very good tip: Markertek. The store (and factory) is only a half-hour from my house, and I get all serious cables there.

And Sescom is far less expensive through them than buying directly.


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Good to know. Thanks.


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I will come back with a link to the project when it goes public.
That's awesome, looking forward to the update!

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I now buy custom starquad cables
Starquad is absolutely where it's at for noise rejection at the cable level. For everyone else reading though keep in mind that there are a lot of potential noise sources and cabling is only one of them - worth buying if you need cables, but maybe not worth replacing all the existing cable in your studio.

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I made some starquad power cables (required in certain industrial applications) but they made no difference in my studio.
Not terribly surprised at that - where you live the noise is much more likely to be coming from outside your studio.


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I learned my "humming cable" lesson the hard way. Few years back my old cable gave up, so I bought a pair of "average" cables from a reputable major music vendor. When they arrived... I tried one. Humming. I spent hours, thinking grounding issues, mic connector, interface, faulty computer hardware, radio interference, aliens... Then I tried second "new" cable (from same mfg.) thinking maybe first was defective. Same deal. Thankfully I've decided not to purchase a new interface, instead bought a much fancier Canare Quad Cable L-4E6S with Neutrik Gold XLR. Humming was gone. 6+ years, still going strong.

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Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!

Mac 2025 Special Upgrade Offers Extended Until August 15th!

It's not too late to upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® and save! We've extended our special until August 15, 2025!

We've added many major new features to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, including advanced AI tools like the amazing BB Stem Splitter and AI Lyrics Generator, as well as VST3 plugin support, and Equalize Temp. Plus, there’s a new one-stop MIDI Patches Picker with over 1,100 MIDI patches to choose from, all neatly categorized by GM numbers. The MultiPicker Library is enhanced with tabs for the SongPicker, MIDI Patch Picker, Chord Builder, AI Lyrics Generator, and Song Titles Browser, and the tabs are organized into logical groups. The Audiophile Edition is enhanced with FLAC files , which are 60% smaller than AIFF files while maintaining identical audio quality, and now ships on a fast 1TB SSD, and much more!

Check out all the new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® here:

Purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac during our special to save up to 50% off your upgrade purchase and receive a FREE BONUS PAK of amazing new Add-ons. These include the 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK, Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana, Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes, MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano, Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7, Playable RealTracks Set 4, RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark, and more!

Upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and add 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and 20 RealStyles, FLAC Files for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks, Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster, MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster, Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8, and RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe.
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs!

New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2025!

We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!

Jazz, Blues & World (Sets 449–455):
These RealTracks includes “Soul Jazz” with Neil Swainson (bass), Mike Clark (drums), Charles Treadway (organ), Miles Black (piano), and Brent Mason (guitar). Enjoy “Requested ’60s” jazz, classic acoustic blues with Colin Linden, and more of our popular 2-handed piano soloing. Plus, a RealTracks first—Tango with bandoneon, recorded in Argentina!

Rock & Pop (Sets 456–461):
This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.

Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles

Check out all the 202 New RealTracks (in sets 456-467)

And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.

You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.

Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!

The 2025 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2025 49-PAK!

Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!

With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!

These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!

This Free Bonus PAK includes:

  • The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK: -For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles. -For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles. -For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
  • Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
  • Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
  • Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
  • Playable RealTracks Set 4
  • RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
  • SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
  • 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.

Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:

  • 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
  • FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
  • Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
  • Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
  • Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
  • RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe

Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!

New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!

Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!

In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!

We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!

We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!

If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!

Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.

Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!

Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!

In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

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