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Long story short, I was running the board at a friends home studio. we were recording dialog voice over content to a single track. First two tracks went great. Then I armed for track 3, hit record and we immediatly hear a low hum on the track. Not enough to stop us but enough to have to use post production processing to remove a 60 Hz hum from the track. Same thing happen on the final track 4.
How could this happen in the middle of our recording session. Nothing was moved and nothing was changed.
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Sounds like maybe a ground loop problem.
Can't say why it happened all of sudden but you might try minimizing the number of outlets involved.
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Did something else turn on between the 2nd and 3rd recordings? Maybe a refrigerator, air conditioner, heater, etc?
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Did something else turn on between the 2nd and 3rd recordings? Maybe a refrigerator, air conditioner, heater, etc? Well not that I know of. But I was only in the bedroom studio. With the vocal talent at the mic. There were others in the house.
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Heat kicked on 
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Was the volume or impedance or something set differently for track 3?
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AT, I change nothing between track 2 (no hum) and track 3 (hum). But rharv may have a point. It is cold here these days and I may not have heard the furnace. The home owner says he gets this hum in the past with his system and has never figured out where it originates. In fact when I was helping him set things up, he did have a "black box gizmo" which he plugged a bunch of cables into which was intened to shield the signals. I removed it feeling it was not needed for a home studio setup and just added unnecessary complexity. And all work well a couple weeks ago when we recorded Segments 1 thru 13 of his project. But this time, from out of no where the hum returned.
BTW, I would love to tell you guys the full back story about this project... but that would take a huge posting which would need its own thread.
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Well, it sounds like you have narrowed it down a bit. Keep us in the loop.
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Good ideas so far. I hope the friend’s studio uses a dedicated circuit. Otherwise things like a furnace, fridge, air conditioner, ceiling fan, even a florescent light can do this. We had one case where an AM radio station down the street caused it. Solution on that one: move.
Steve suggested ground loop. Get a $10 outlet tester and check every outlet that audio equipment could be plugged into, since cables connect the various devices. I always try to plug all connected audio into the same outlet.
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Heat kicked on Or the refrigerator. I live in the middle of the Silicon Valley, one of the electrically noisiest places on the planet. I have a long list of solutions for this issue, not one completely effective. I use them in combination to get the job done: star-quad mic and instrument cables, ferrite beads for USB cables, iron rings, balanced step-up/step-down transformers… All contribute to the solution. My studio is dead quiet now as far as electrical noises are concerned. The exception is star-quad power cables—no difference at all but not very expensive because I made my own. We had one case where an AM radio station down the street caused it. Solution on that one: move. My San Jose house had a radio tower 8 blocks away. Normally, not an issue unless I used an effects box on my guitar — useless! For the last 21 years, I’ve been renting that house to San Jose State music students and no one has complained about this, no idea why.
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... even a florescent light can do this. ... cheap LEDs can as well, they can add a lot of interference to various things I had to solve that once by process of elimination; unplugged landscape lighting and issue went away Luckily I didn't have to move to solve that one But yeah, something in the house kicked on, as mentioned it could be furnace, A/C, Fridge .. I guessed furnace just because of your location <grin>
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Yes, good point. Cheap LED's will most likely have a cheap switch-mode power supply. If it's really basic, it can generate unwanted noise that can propagate into other sensitive equipment.
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Your answers are always well grounded.
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Your answers are always well grounded. ly, I'd say these answers are quite electric
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Your answers are always well grounded. That's because I always know watt's up. Currently, I'd say these answers are quite electric but true!
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Your answers are always well grounded. That's because I always know watt's up. Currently, I'd say these answers are quite electric but true! Ya sure. I'll bet your favorite band is AC DC.
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This thread turning into silly jokes is not shocking.
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Your answers are always well grounded. That's because I always know watt's up. Currently, I'd say these answers are quite electric but true! Ya sure. I'll bet your favorite band is AC DC. I'm just glad Simon is the Conductor of this train.
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Ya sure. I'll bet your favorite band is AC DC. Nah I'm more into Electric Wizard. This thread turning into silly jokes is not shocking. Speak for yourself, it gave me quite the jolt! I'm just glad Simon is the Conductor of this train. Happy to be of service (manual)! Honestly I was hesitant to jump over this thread, but I ended up taking the path of least resistance.
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Ya sure. I'll bet your favorite band is AC DC. Nah I'm more into Electric Wizard. This thread turning into silly jokes is not shocking. Speak for yourself, it gave me quite the jolt! I'm just glad Simon is the Conductor of this train. Happy to be of service (manual)! Honestly I was hesitant to jump over this thread, but I ended up taking the path of least resistance. Who would possibly want to insulate themselves from such wit and wisdom as can be found here?
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Ya sure. I'll bet your favorite band is AC DC. Nah I'm more into Electric Wizard. This thread turning into silly jokes is not shocking. Speak for yourself, it gave me quite the jolt! I'm just glad Simon is the Conductor of this train. Happy to be of service (manual)! Honestly I was hesitant to jump over this thread, but I ended up taking the path of least resistance. Who would possibly want to insulate themselves from such wit and wisdom as can be found here? OK, lets stop this nonsense and get back to current events.
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Ya sure. I'll bet your favorite band is AC DC. Nah I'm more into Electric Wizard. This thread turning into silly jokes is not shocking. Speak for yourself, it gave me quite the jolt! I'm just glad Simon is the Conductor of this train. Happy to be of service (manual)! Honestly I was hesitant to jump over this thread, but I ended up taking the path of least resistance. Who would possibly want to insulate themselves from such wit and wisdom as can be found here? OK, lets stop this nonsense and get back to current events. I agree with Mario, even though I just had my morning coffee and am amped-up for more.
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"we were recording dialog voice over"
I assume separate mics? Issues with mic cable? - had these quite a few times (humming cables). Last year I had an older (80s) mic with intermittent hum / grounding issues. If I held mic in hand - no humming. As soon as it went on stand -hum. I re-soldered internal connector and problem was gone. In any case, if it's mic related, I would try swapping cables / try another mic on same humming channel.
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Your answers are always well grounded. That's because I always know watt's up. Currently, I'd say these answers are quite electric but true! Ya sure. I'll bet your favorite band is AC DC. Or Tesla perhaps . . .
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I got the answer to my original question today. I got this email form my "client" where I experienced the hum but with no idea why it came and went...
"BTW, Justin, the film maker, was here a few weeks ago to scope out my studio room for the shoot. While here we talked about the mic line noise. He tested it, and he heard it. He tested and discovered I had a bad, but very brand-new mic cable. We switched it out with another Mic cable, and the line noise is gone."
Still hope to find time some day to tell you all about this project I stumbled into. It is just now starting to go public so I can send a link at some time.
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Or you could have trusted my theory from April 4th Issues with mic cable? - had these quite a few times (humming cables).
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Or you could have trusted my theory from April 4th Issues with mic cable? - had these quite a few times (humming cables). Winner. I just had a new mic cable (XLR) prove bad.
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Of couse Rusty that is why I brought this question here.  Now for a bit of the back story... I stumbled onto an interesting opportunity to do some audio editing for a project involving a videographer recording narration of his video (voice over work). I have to be a bit secretive here. This individual is a professional musician who some years back suffered a stroke and lost his ability to sing/speak. He has been preparing a life history video for the past couple years. He is at the stage where he is having a voice over actor come in to record the narration in his home studio. All the final video and mixing will be done in a professional studio. Unfortunately, his home studio was in disarray and not fully installed in the current location. His stroke caused cognitive damage and he was unable to get his gear up and running. He reached out via our local town FB, looking for someone in the area who could help with setup. Now I am not a sound engineer, but I can set up a DAW and associated equipment (which by the way was all pro level gear). I stopped by and got things installed and operational. But his DAW was Studio 1 One version 7. Which I have no experience with. Since he wanted to get recording immediately, I installed Reaper and showed him how to arm and record a track. He took notes but communicated to me that he was not able to run the board due to his illness. Long story short I have now recorded 13 individual narratives with his voice over artist. He has taken all our tracks to his pro studio where they have incorporated them into a master mix. This week he has the camera crew coming to film him in his home studio playing live and needs backing drums and Guitar FX. He asked me to come over to install and setup his EzDrummer and Amplitube plugins. He has promised me he will find some small place in the movie credits to call me out by name for “engineering support”. What a treat for me! I will come back with a link to the project when it goes public. Dan
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This is all great Dan!
Well done !!
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discovered I had a bad, but very brand-new mic cable. We switched it out with another Mic cable, and the line noise is gone." There are few things worse than chasing down a noise and finding it to be the brand new cables—as I found out reconditioning a turntable for my kids and connecting with set of hookup wires I bought off Amazon because I wanted them next day. Grrr…Buying cable can be quite frustrating these days. Many brands one has never heard of, all looking great but rebranding crap as above. Tried and true brands such as ProCo not being available in music stores anymore, way overpriced boutique cables making nonsense promises, the list goes on… I now buy custom starquad cables made by Sescom through Markertek. Nine lengths in any of eight colors—a 25’ mic cable is $27.49. Some colors are in stock; others may take up to two weeks. Only downside is the lead time. They have thousands of standard options but truly custom cables are available with a minor upcharge. Markertek started off as a broadcast supply house and is the go-to for most large studios etc. I discovered them about 50 years ago As I’ve posted before, Starquad is actually quieter than 2-conductor balanced wire but only in an electrically noisy environment such as mine in the middle of the SiliconValley. If you can’t hear a difference, you didn’t need it—I do but, at these prices, I see no need to use anything else. Sescom uses Canare, Belden and Mogami if you need really thin cable. I made some starquad power cables (required in certain industrial applications) but they made no difference in my studio.
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Mike has a very good tip: Markertek. The store (and factory) is only a half-hour from my house, and I get all serious cables there.
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Mike has a very good tip: Markertek. The store (and factory) is only a half-hour from my house, and I get all serious cables there. And Sescom is far less expensive through them than buying directly.
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I will come back with a link to the project when it goes public. That's awesome, looking forward to the update! I now buy custom starquad cables Starquad is absolutely where it's at for noise rejection at the cable level. For everyone else reading though keep in mind that there are a lot of potential noise sources and cabling is only one of them - worth buying if you need cables, but maybe not worth replacing all the existing cable in your studio. I made some starquad power cables (required in certain industrial applications) but they made no difference in my studio. Not terribly surprised at that - where you live the noise is much more likely to be coming from outside your studio.
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I learned my "humming cable" lesson the hard way. Few years back my old cable gave up, so I bought a pair of "average" cables from a reputable major music vendor. When they arrived... I tried one. Humming. I spent hours, thinking grounding issues, mic connector, interface, faulty computer hardware, radio interference, aliens... Then I tried second "new" cable (from same mfg.) thinking maybe first was defective. Same deal. Thankfully I've decided not to purchase a new interface, instead bought a much fancier Canare Quad Cable L-4E6S with Neutrik Gold XLR. Humming was gone. 6+ years, still going strong.
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Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
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Band-in-a-Box 2025 Italian Version is Here!
Cari amici
È stata aggerate la versione in Italiano del programma più amato dagli appassionati di musica, il nostro Band-in-a-Box.
Questo è il link alla nuova versione 2025.
Di seguito i link per scaricare il pacchetti di lingua italiana aggiornati per Band-in-a-Box e RealBand, anche per chi avesse già comprato la nuova versione in inglese.
Band-in-a-Box 2025 - Italiano
RealBand 2025 - Italiano
Band-in-a-Box 2025 French Version is Here!
Bonjour à tous,
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 pour Windows est disponible en Français.
Le téléchargement se fait à partir du site PG Music
Pour ceux qui auraient déjà acheté la version 2025 de Band-in-a-Box (et qui donc ont une version anglaise), il est possible de "franciser" cette version avec les patchs suivants:
BIAB 2025 - francisation
RealBand 2025 - francisation
Voilà, enjoy!
Band-in-a-Box 2025 German Version is Here!
Update Your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 to Build 1128 for Windows Today!
Already using Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Windows®? Download Build 1128 now from our Support Page to enjoy the latest enhancements and improvements from our team.
Stay up to date—get the latest update now!
Update to RealBand® 2025 Build 5 Windows Today!
Already using RealBand® 2025 for Windows®? Download Build 5 now from our Support Page to ensure you have the latest enhancements and improvements from our team.
Get the latest update today!
PowerTracks Pro Audio 2025 for Windows is Here!
PowerTracks Pro Audio 2025 is here! This new version introduces many features, including VST3 support, the ability to load or import a .FLAC file, a reset option for track height in the Tracks window, a taller Timeline on the Notation window toolbar, new freeze buttons in the Tracks window, three toolbar modes (two rows, single row, and none), the improved Select Patch dialog with text-based search and numeric patch display, a new button in the DirectX/VST window to copy an effects group, and more!
First-time packages start at only $49. Already a PowerTracks Pro Audio user? Upgrade for as little as $29!
www.pgmusic.com/powertracks.htm
Video: Summary of the New Band-in-a-Box® App for iOS®
Join Tobin as he takes you on a tour of the new Band-in-a-Box® app for iOS®! Designed for musicians, singer-songwriters, and educators, this powerful tool lets you create, play, and transfer songs effortlessly on your iPhone® or iPad®—anytime, anywhere.
Band-in-a-Box® for iOS® :Summary video.
Check out the forum post for more information.
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