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I know how we can determine if your PC is too old and underpowered and the cause of the stuttering behavior. After all, I think I did see smoke coming up from it in your demo. Here is how I can help you. Just pack up the Clavinova CVP 307 piano and send it to me and I will use it with my new PC (which is a beast). You may have to do it quickly before the Trump tariffs kick in. grin I would be glad to help. laugh


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Yes, with MIDI Thru enabled, I see the notes on the VIEWS/Bigpiano window (screenshot below) and the MIDI monitor records the MIDI notes : this time, 157 notes recorded before BiaB stutters (screenshots and data list below).

Indeed, if MIDI Thru is not enabled, and even when the MIDI Input Driver is enabled, I do not see the notes displayed on the BigPiano. But what is strange is that, even in this case, the notes played are recorded on the score (see the screenshots sent yesterday).

Do you see anything special in today's data list? For my part, I am surprised to see so many notes with a velocity of 0!

Thank you for the information and for the great video. So it seems like Band-in-a-Box 'catches up' if you stop playing your piano.

No, there doesn't seem to be anything unusual in the list. The note On message with velocity 0 is the same as a note Off message. I half expected to see a flood of data of some kind (maybe sustain pedal data) coming from the synth, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Go to the MIDI/Audio Driver setup, and choose MME for your audio driver type. That may be the difference between 2025 and your 2020 install. Also, a couple of questions
- if you use a MIDI style like ZZJAZZ and disabled RealDrums, do you have the same problem?
- if you play one note at a time on your piano, does the same thing happen?


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Thanks for the link. I also had interpreted incorrectly. I was originally under the impression (incorrectly) that the MIDI was what was doing the stuttering.

Q1:
I'm presuming that the song plays OK as long as you don't play anything on your keyboard. Is that correct?

Q2:
Have you tried a "Return To Factory Settings - ALL", from the Options menu? (I can't recall above if that's been suggested). You would have to then reset some values.

Hello again AudioTrack,

I now have the answer to your question 2: I tried to return to all the factory settings and ... it does not change anything: Band in Box 2025 still stutters when I play normally on my piano with the MIDI Input Driver activated!

But the return to the factory settings caused something new that I can not explain: in the mixer the realtracks are indicated as unavailable **N/A** (screenshot 1 below) while their location in my computer indicated in the Preferences/Realtracks is correct (screenshot 2), that the folders exist in this location in my computer (screenshot 3 for the bass Realtrack), and that they are played by Band in a Box!

Another mystery :-)

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FYI - My off-line music computer is 14 years old. The only time it is on-line is for updates and/or registration. When I record in my DAW I disable my Ethernet card and everything running in the background like anti-virus, anti-malware, VPN, etc. I have no problem recording.

Thanks for the info, Mario D.

I assume from your picture that you are a guitarist and that you do not record yourself in MIDI but only in audio via a DAW.

In my case, I'm a pianist and I do not record myself in audio via a DAW but only in MIDI: I usually do not use Band-in-a-Box to produce music, but only as a backing track software to work and rehearse ; and when I record myself it is mainly to keep track of my ideas.

But if by chance you have connected a MIDI keyboard to your music computer, I would be interested to know if you encounter the same problem as me with Band in a Box 2025 when you make a MIDI recording from your keyboard!

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I know how we can determine if your PC is too old and underpowered and the cause of the stuttering behavior. After all, I think I did see smoke coming up from it in your demo. Here is how I can help you. Just pack up the Clavinova CVP 307 piano and send it to me and I will use it with my new PC (which is a beast). You may have to do it quickly before the Trump tariffs kick in. grin I would be glad to help. laugh

Very good idea, DrDan!
But I'll take it the other way around: since we haven't yet planned to increase tariffs in Europe, send me your computer instead: I dream of testing my Claninova and Band in a Box 2025 with a real beast :-) !


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Yes, with MIDI Thru enabled, I see the notes on the VIEWS/Bigpiano window (screenshot below) and the MIDI monitor records the MIDI notes : this time, 157 notes recorded before BiaB stutters (screenshots and data list below).

Indeed, if MIDI Thru is not enabled, and even when the MIDI Input Driver is enabled, I do not see the notes displayed on the BigPiano. But what is strange is that, even in this case, the notes played are recorded on the score (see the screenshots sent yesterday).

Do you see anything special in today's data list? For my part, I am surprised to see so many notes with a velocity of 0!

Thank you for the information and for the great video. So it seems like Band-in-a-Box 'catches up' if you stop playing your piano.

No, there doesn't seem to be anything unusual in the list. The note On message with velocity 0 is the same as a note Off message. I half expected to see a flood of data of some kind (maybe sustain pedal data) coming from the synth, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Go to the MIDI/Audio Driver setup, and choose MME for your audio driver type. That may be the difference between 2025 and your 2020 install. Also, a couple of questions
- if you use a MIDI style like ZZJAZZ and disabled RealDrums, do you have the same problem?
- if you play one note at a time on your piano, does the same thing happen?

Hello Andrew,

Yes, Band in a Box is "catching up" when I stop playing (so the term "stuttering" is perhaps not the best choice!).

I did the tests you suggested:

- The problem remains the same when I switch from WAS to MME

- The problem remains the same if I select ZZJAZZ as the style and disabled RealDrums

- BUT the problem disappears if I play only one note at a time: I played a solo with the right hand for 5 minutes on the same song that I usually do the tests on and there was just a very short stutter of 1/4 of a second after 2 or 3 minutes!

So, I hope this last test can open a lead!


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I assume from your picture that you are a guitarist and that you do not record yourself in MIDI but only in audio via a DAW.

In my case, I'm a pianist and I do not record myself in audio via a DAW but only in MIDI: I usually do not use Band-in-a-Box to produce music, but only as a backing track software to work and rehearse ; and when I record myself it is mainly to keep track of my ideas.

But if by chance you have connected a MIDI keyboard to your music computer, I would be interested to know if you encounter the same problem as me with Band in a Box 2025 when you make a MIDI recording from your keyboard! [/quote]

Actually I do more MIDI recording in my DAW than audio recording.

When I get a chance, probably tomorrow, I will try recording in BiaB. It may take me awhile as I have never recorded in BiaB before.


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LB..

heres some more info and my reply...
(if you think im wrong you can fact check me by going on gearspace.com
where there are tons of very experienced studio owners.)

1..re your Dell...
is this your dell xps ??

https://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/pc-mac-desktops/dell-xps-18-1137185/review

2..if so...the specs indicate the processor is i7 4510u.
(please confirm.)

3..as you will see not all i7's are equal..
eg...here are the performance specs for your 4510u..

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-4510U+%40+2.00GHz

sad to say the performance is poor compared to other i7's.
and the single and multithread scores are low.
(1557 and 2617. NOTE...music work is lots of math by an app.)
(page down right hand side)..i prefer to see much much better scores.
the link above also compares the 4510u to lots of other processors.

(fyi ive had many people say to me over the years...
'but i paid tons of money for this *expletive* pc.'
and "my friend paid lots less and has no probs'.
the answer is one needs the right pc config for music.)

3..whether its a bb problem or not please read my optimisation tips in
pg tips forum and note point one in the tips..
run this utility which will give clues as to why you might get glitches
or other probs..like latency...its all a process of elimination...like detective work...lol.

https://resplendence.com/latencymon

in fact you might want to run LMON on your other pc and see what it reports for that one.

please report back what the results are so people can help you.

4..as a benchmark my production pc which only cost a few hundred bucks boots into win from cold and into rb or bb very fast.
please post back how long your times are with the dell.
it would also be helpfull to post back a pic of your win task mgr
showing all the active tasks at any point in order to be thorough..
to see if other processes are interfering with bb.

note...irrespective whether its a bb prob or not i suspect that
the dell needs optimising...if thats never been done.

a question for everyone...is anyone else have this stutter prob
with bb 2025 ?? ie useing an external kbd ??
or is all smooth sailing ?? (i work differently.)

LB please post back re the details ive asked for.

happiness.

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a question for everyone...is anyone else have this stutter prob with bb 2025 ?? ie useing an external kbd ??
or is all smooth sailing ?? (i work differently.)

In the early part of this tread I showed how I have no problem with recording my midi keyboard in BIAB 2025. But I am using only the "internal synth" sounds while the OP is sending midi into and out of BIAB (or some other unusal routing) to get external sounds. Something I did not even think was possible in BIAB. The key to me is the OP says this has always worked for him with prior versions of BIAB. So something is different in BIAB 2025.


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To determine if it is a computer Resource issue, start Windows Task Manager and watch CPU and Memory while playing along with the song.

Additionally, select the Performance tab in Task Manager, then click on Open Resource Monitor link and review the CPU, Disk, & Memory values. The problem may not be in BIAB itself.

This might help narrow down to find the 'culprit'.


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Additionally, in the Resource Monitor, you can keep certain tasks at the top of the display by placing a tick in the check box at the left hand side of the display.

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Hello and thank you all,

It's comforting to see so many comments trying to help me :-) !

Today, I probably won't have time to analyze all the messages, do the suggested tests and answer each one. Please excuse me

I just confirm to OldMuso that my Dell XPS 18 (1820) has the configuration indicated in his link:
- CPU: 2.6GHz Intel Core i7-4510U (dual-core, 4MB cache, up to 3.1GHz with Turbo Boost)
- Graphics: Intel HD 4400 graphics
- RAM: 8GB Dual Channel DDR3L (1,600 Mhz)
- Screen: 18.4-inch 1,920 x 1,080, LED Backlit Touch Display
- Storage: 256GB SSD
- Ports: 2 USB 3.0 ports, media card reader, headphone/mic jack
- Connectivity: 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi, Bluetooth 4.0
But, even if this configuration is a little weak today, it has been quite sufficient for me so far, at least with my previous version of Band in a Box which was the 2020.

Have a good day!


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DrDan/All.

Gotcha ! Dan...your comments bring back memories from the past when the keyboard player would sometimes swear at the keyboard...lol
over some issue or other or some setting regarding transmitting or receiving midi. so they would sometimes get another seperate hardware midi module for receiving midi and making sounds and useing the kbd just for midi transmission.

another question have pg said that 2025 works for them with no stutter ?
if so this would point again at the pc being used.
or a config issue imho.

@LB...another test you can run is to invoke RB (realband) that you
have and do two things that will offer further clues...

1..in the RB menus run ACTION>>TEST AUDIO PERFORMANCE...
such will reply with a track count.
as a benchmark here my recently new pc rb reports over 200 tracks.
please reply with the number of tracks reported as well as how long the
test took. as a benchmark here the test was literally 'two blinks of an eye'.
(ry 7 cpu and m.2 ssd.) its just a rough test...but gives clues.

2..run rb the same as your doing with bb and try recording midi.
report back if you get 'stutters'. you will need to check in rb that the drivers preferences are set up correctly.
in summary this offers further clues.
maybe ill get egg on my face but im gonna stick my kneck out and suggest
the stutters are caused by either other tasks on the pc or how the pc is set up or the fact that the processor has low performance specs.
(see my link previously to cpu benchmark site for a detailed analysis of your i7's performance.)

3..as i said see if you get the stutters with non pg apps.
eg reaper is a fast download. (note bb does things it doesnt).


@Audiotrack.

good points...the more we know about LB's task manager the better.
im very interested to see what latency monitor utility says.
maybe ill be proved wrong but i suspect that latmon will report some
dpc/driver issues. we shall see.

@LB...the more info you can give us ie latency mon test, task mgr
report, potential rb track counts etc etc..the better we can advise you.
otherwise in some respects we are flying blind.

happiness to all.

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Thanks LB, we are obviously supporting your issue. Please consider giving priority to the items I have suggested regarding monitoring your computer systems performances.

I really am starting to think that there is potential that your issue is outside of the box.


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Originally Posted by Lazy Bird
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But if by chance you have connected a MIDI keyboard to your music computer, I would be interested to know if you encounter the same problem as me with Band in a Box 2025 when you make a MIDI recording from your keyboard!

I just ran two tests:
1-recorded MIDI using my keyboard controller and a GM patch
2-recorded MIDI using my keyboard controller and a Garritan Jazz and Big Band trumpet patch

In both cases I was able to record for 5 minutes each with no problems.

It sounds like you have a MIDI feedback loop:

https://support.sequential.com/hc/en-gb/articles/12826311546642-Troubleshooting-MIDI-Feedback-Loops

Make sure that your keyboard has the local control in the off position, usually unchecked.

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I wondered about a MIDI looping issue earlier on also:
https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=845522#Post845522

I am really starting to think the problem is not BIAB itself. That's why I would like to get some feedback on the resources being used by the computer.


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Originally Posted by AudioTrack
I wondered about a MIDI looping issue earlier on also:
https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=845522#Post845522

I am really starting to think the problem is not BIAB itself. That's why I would like to get some feedback on the resources being used by the computer.

Sorry AT I didn't mean to overstep. I just either missed that or more likely I forgot you had posted it.

I also suggested that he disable the Ethernet card and very thing running in the background. I don't think he has tried that yet.


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Hey Mario, you definitely didn't overstep at all. It's more like "great minds think alike" grin

I think we're both leaning to an external problem being the culprit. It will be very interesting to determining where the issue lies crazy


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Mario.

great idea. kudos. your bringing back mamories...lol.
ie..way back the kbd player had a new midi kbd...and it was something regarding the way midi had been implemented in the kbd as to the midi spec that was causeing him to have issues if i remember.

whats baffling me tho' is if it was an issue with the midi kbd that LB is useing why does the problem not occur with the earlier bb version ?

frankly its very hard to help someone without knowing the requested info.
still...requested info like latmon//boot times//task mgr info hasnt been posted by LB.
its sorta like a doctor being asked to diagnose a patient without being able to see the xrays and the patient....

LB...if a midi setting in your midi kbd isnt the issue...please could you post back the earlier requested info so we can all maybe find a solution.
otherwise its very difficult for us other users to comment further.
and thus the thread will reach an impasse.
and also as i said before please read my tips in the tips forum re optimising a pc for music work. over the years ive seen a myriad of pc's with problems.

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Originally Posted by justanoldmuso
Mario.
great idea. kudos. your bringing back mamories...lol.
ie..way back the kbd player had a new midi kbd...and it was something regarding the way midi had been implemented in the kbd as to the midi spec that was causeing him to have issues if i remember.

whats baffling me tho' is if it was an issue with the midi kbd that LB is useing why does the problem not occur with the earlier bb version ?
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I know that this is a very long shot but maybe 2025 is sending a signal to turn on local control and after 2025 shuts down the synth returns to having it turned off. I don't know if that can happen or not but while working in a computer store I have seen some really weird things when it comes to computers.


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Our new jazz, funk & blues RealTracks include a groovin’ collection of RealTracks and RealDrums! These include more requested “soul jazz” RealTracks featuring artists Neil Swainson (bass), Charles Treadway (organ), Brent Mason (guitar), and Wes Little (drums). There are new “smooth jazz” styles (4), which include a RealTracks first: muted trumpet, as well as slick new smooth jazz brushes options for drums. Blues lovers will be thrilled—there are more “classic acoustic blues” styles, including guitar (5), bass (4), and drums (10) with blues master Colin Linden, featuring understated and tasty background acoustic soloing, plus brushes drums and acoustic bass. There are also new electric blues RealTracks, including electric blues with PG favorite Johnny Hiland (3) and soulful electric slide guitar from Colin Linden (4). If you love funk & gospel, there are great new options this year, including gospel organ (3) from Charles Treadway, as well as new funk, tango, and rock ’n’ roll drums (3) and bass (1). And for big, bold arrangements, we have uptempo soul horns (4) featuring a three-part hip horn section with options for a full mix or stems of each individual horn — plus an accompanying rhythm section (4) of drums, bass, guitar, and electric piano!

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Our new rock & pop RealTracks bring a powerful mix of requested favorites, fresh genres, and modern chart-inspired styles! We have more of our popular “Producer Layered Acoustic Guitars (15)” featuring Band-in-a-Box favorite Brent Mason. We’ve continued our much-requested disco styles (10), and added new Celtic guitar (5) with a more basic, accessible approach than our previous Drop-D or DADGAD offerings. There are also highly requested yacht rock styles (17), inspired by the smooth, polished soft-rock sound of the late ’70s and early ’80s — laid-back grooves, silky electric pianos, warm textures, elegant harmonic movement, and pristine production aesthetics. Fans of heavier styles will love our new glam metal (13), capturing the flashy, high-energy sound of ’80s arena-ready guitar rock. We also have a set of rootsy modern-folk rock (18), with a warm, organic sound combining contemporary folk textures and driving acoustic strumming. And we’ve added lots of new modern pop styles (16) — the kinds of sounds you’re hearing on the radio today, featuring exciting new drums, synths, and cutting-edge RealTracks arrangements.

Country, & Americana (Sets 483–488):
Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.

Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!

And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.

The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!

2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!

With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!

These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!

This Free Bonus PAK includes:

  • The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK: -For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles. -For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles. -For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
  • MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
  • Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
  • Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
  • Playable RealTracks Set 5
  • RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
  • SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
  • iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
  • 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
  • FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
  • MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
  • Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
  • Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
  • RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
  • SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)

Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!

XPro & Xtra Styles PAK Sets On Sale Now - Until May 15, 2026!

All of our XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs are on sale until May 15th, 2026!

It's the perfect time to expand your Band-in-a-Box® style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs. These additional styles for Band-in-a-Box® offer a wide range of genres designed to fit seamlessly into your projects. Each style is professionally arranged and mixed, helping enhance your songs while saving you time.

What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?

XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-10 includes 1,000 styles!

Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 includes 3,700 styles (and 35 MIDI styles)!

The XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs are not included in any Band-in-a-Box® package.

The XPro Styles PAKs 1-10 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.

The Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the Xtra Styles PAK Bundle for only $199 (reg. $349)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.

Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version as they require the RealTracks included in the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

Supercharge your Band-in-a-Box today with XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAK Sets!

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