4..finally the presonus revelator usb mic i might try and see how it performs on my vocs. affordeable plus from what ive seen with the control app it comes with one can tailor/tweak the incoming sound.
lots of new interesting mics coming out. if anyone has a low cost new mic they like...post back and share why.
toodles/happiness.
om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 04/10/2509:03 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
they comment on 'the british sound'. so thats why american women go potty for us brit men...lol. we have the brit sound.
2..ive been checking out further that interesting revelator presonus mic. it looks like they used to include studio one artist daw for free . ?? but now just studio one for a few months to try out ?? i would think that this might put off some people given the many daw alternatives on the market ??
talking of daws what happened to the behringer daw that was talked about a few years back ?? was gonna be free with purchase of behr products ?
ttfn/happiness.
om
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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Aston Microphones are proud to be part of the Music Tribe family.
That's the company formerly known as Behringer. You may like or dislike the microphones but everything on their spec sheets is a work of fiction. Don't ever order any Music Tribe product based on their marketing materials alone.
Music Tribe is a holding company based in the Philippines chaired by Uli Behringer. I don't know if this is a complete list:
Behringer Cool Audio Midas Turbosound TC Electronic and TC-Helicon Tannoy Klark Teknik Lab.gruppen Aston Microphones
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i didnt know about the behr aston link. astons (includeing aston martin cars...lol) mics are outside my puny yearly budget anyway. im sorta surprised as aston mics artist list on their site is kinda impressive. i thought i read somewhere that stevie wonder is a user ?
frankly over the years doing zillions of vocal tracks in studios ive used everything from el cheapo under 100 buck mics up to very very expensive mics. (see if you can tell which songs in my sig used el cheapo mic vs expensive. most people find it difficult to tell.)
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Honestly I'm not very interested in new microphones unless they're ribbons or dynamics - most "new" condenser mics outside of the big companies are all the same guts as each other with maybe minor tweaks. I still say everyone should start with an SM57 and work on making that sound good before going for anything boutique - the 'ol 57 is a fantastic cheap microphone, and I've even tracked entire songs with only 57's (everything from kick to overheads to bass to vocals).
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I don't know if this is a complete list:
Bugera amplifiers as well. I had one, it was quite good and compared favourably against the Fender Hot Rod series.
ive used 57 on loads of tracks over the years. but it doesnt hurt to look around imho.
from my research on microphones it seems that new technical concepts and ideas are being implemented these days.
how bout a diy mic ??..lol. lots of info on net. re diy ribbon and other mic types. i might have a bash when im less busy.
happiness.
om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 04/10/2506:53 PM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
Funny, but while I'm the biggest gear hound I know, new mics don't interest me. Once I found a Neumann TLM49 for vocals, I just stopped looking. Also have a Shure SM81LC for acoustic guitar and a Sennheiser E906 for amps, when I need them. Of course I'm not running a pro studio, just a one basement home studio.
But I'm looking for a new guitar literally ever day. Weird, huh?
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ive gone thru loads of nutty gear cycles....lol. once into all big studio gear doing vocs in commercial studios. then in my crazy rock phase and being a bit of a renegade...lol.. went for all low end mics. its all lotta fun. as a result some songs in my sig used high end gear while others low end budget gear. im just odd that way....lol. love the challenge ....most people cant tell the diff. for example the stallion rock song in my sig used a oddball mic that i got yonks ago as did the blugrass banker man song. but it just seems to work with my vocs sometimes. other songs very high end mic.
same with geetars...tried loads of them. i was kinda bonkers in my younger days...like a lot of musos....lol.
gearspace.com is a kinda interesting place. they have a high end forum and a low end forum and many other forums. great for gear shootouts low versus high end.
talking of the sm57...i knew there were competitors out there but i didnt know how many 57 style ones....pyle/behr/stagg/monoprice and a ton of others. there are various comparisons/audio examples on you tube. for those that dont have lots of moolah there are 57 competitors even under 25 bucks.
some higher priced 57 but affordeable competitors i hear mentioned often are audix i5, heil,se electronics v7,senny and various others. there are so many models its tuff to keep up.
frankly whats really interested me is more mics coming with desktop control software like the presonus revelator to ensure great tracks get recorded eg comp/lim/gate in software etc etc. i think we are going to see more of this.....ie desktop mic control apps/dsp. elgato wave is another interesting mic. (see you tube again for sound samples etc.) we are spoilt today.
toodles/happiness.
om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 04/11/2507:34 PM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
I'd only add that I would recommend passing on any USB based mic. From my early years in the cakewalk forums, the folks who were using the USB mics were the ones coming in asking for tech help to get them to work without serious latency and other issues with recording in their DAW about the clocks not properly syncing and things drifting on playback.
Those mics are ok for podcasts and other simple things but put into a DAW with other soundcards in the system and they were nothing but trouble. Someone had actually posted a sticky on how to make them work but it seemed to not work for the vast majority.
Maybe that has been worked out now..... I don't know.
My advice is still the same, avoid the USB mics for recording. Get something that plugs into your external interface.
Another thing..... To the average listener..... A $200 mic sounds just as good as the $2000 mic. And for a home studio, that $2k mic is simply overkill and bragging that you have money to throw around. Again, back in the cakewalk forums, there were several people who used a $59 condenser mic for vocals and it sounded really good. I bought one, fairly decent, condenser mic and use it for everything.
Back in 2009, I attended a songwriter convention in LA. One of the sponsors was a new mic company called Gauge Mics. They had a booth where you could compare, side by side, A/B with a switch, their $100 mic with one that cost 10x more. Suffice it to say that I was hard pressed to hear any difference between the two mics.
Last edited by Guitarhacker; 04/12/2504:34 AM.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both.
The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
1..re cheap versus expensive mics ive done vocs at home on el cheapo and then gone into big studio useing expensive mic and the same 'vibe' just wasnt there. to be fair...vice versa...ive done vocs in a big studio and just couldnt duplicate next day. sometimes ya just get that magic track thats difficult to duplicate. which prolly explains why some groups with great hits cant get the same groovy sound picture live. a couple of songs in my sig i know would be very difficult to redo in a big studio or high end studio. conversely a couple of my sig songs used expensive high end voc mics. sometimes ya just get those magic days where everything works.
2..re usb mics. i agree. but it seems things are now changeing for the better. lots of new usb mics focusing on zero or very low latency and with some pretty groovy user controlled dsp desktop apps. heres another i wasnt aware of.. BEACN usb mic. (they also have an interface.) with real time noise suppression built in and other groovy features in software. this is a very interesting vid showing all the neat user dsp features.
(many other vids re beacn useage on you tube.)
ymmv as usual.
in summary GH it looks like there are pretty amazeing things happening with usb mics. of course if i got one from amazon i would test at home. so i can see first hand what it will do and if i dont like it... return it within 30 days. its the application of dsp to these usb mics i find interesting.
check out also the shure mv7+ sometime. (note all the dsp fx again and denoiser and plosive handling.) (also note comments re shures own sm7b.)
tech is moving so fast its difficult to keep up...lol. happiness.
om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 04/12/2507:33 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
< From my early years in the cakewalk forums, the folks who were using the USB mics were the ones coming in asking for tech help to get them to work without serious latency and other issues with recording in their DAW about the clocks not properly syncing and things drifting on playback. >
While technically true, when used by someone with basic recording knowledge that can properly set up equipment, usb based microphone latency, syncing and other issues have long been overcome for usb mics used for home recording. Usb mics are recognized by computers as internally clocked audio interfaces with their own internal clock and no external clocking access. They are practicable when used as a single source device for most types of sound sources like recording a guitar, vocal, or vocal/guitar combo from a single mic source to voice for podcast, recording an amp and similar devices. All of which are practicable and applicable to recording into BIAB.
Usb mics as a source in multitrack recording with multiple other recording input sources could have issues as they are incapable of being clocked. Recording with a usb mic should never have these issues when used as the audio interface with BIAB. Once latency is addressed and set, a usb mic is simple, quick, and effective when used in combination with BIAB styles and instruments.
This is particularly true since the release of 2025 with the new features and upgrades added to 2025. The addition of Stem Splitter, VSTi3, and Playable RealTracks previously introduced, along with the associated upgrades and enhancements to the ACW have brought forth an old feature, unknown or ignored by DAW users most specifically, that has more production and arrangement capability than Utility Tracks or Tracks View, But that's another topic.
For users making backing tracks, practice tracks, Karaoke, or original compositions and do these tasks without need of post production DAW comping, editing and mastering, usb mics are completely efficient and practicable.
EDIT: OM posted as I was composing. His points directly support mine regarding post-editing and dsp features like noise suppression which can also be addressed post recording. If the basic signal chain is addressed properly and set up correctly, dsp and post editing is nothing more than selling features and convenience.
Last edited by Charlie Fogle; 04/12/2509:26 AM. Reason: Comments added
Many professional microphones are available as with both USB or XLR connections depending on how the cable is terminated. You can also purchase XLR to USB adapters that adapt your beloved existing microphone.
As GuitarHacker pointed out, it was the wild, wild west when USB was the new kid on the block but time has a way of softening the rough edges.
Music Tribe owns Tannoy, TC Electronics, Behringer and many more companies. The quality of the products is usually in keeping with the heritage of the given company. Behringer makes, in the main, good quality stuff these days. They used to be haphazard but no longer. I have three or four excellent pieces of Behri kit. USB mics are only as good as their converters.
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this post is about not just cheap mics but ultra crazy cheap mics and vids.
if anyone wants a bit of fun and is interested not just in cheap mics but crazy cheap mics under even 25 buks ive been watching some vids on you tube where people buy off temu for a few buks clones of well known expensive mics and then compare with sound tests against expensive mics. there are also interesting threads on this topic on gearspace where thousands of studios hang out.
heres why i think there might be a place in ones expensive mic locker for such ultra cheap mics. maybe a bunch of musos/bros get together one weekend to do some rough demos. maybe in this case it turns into a party as sometimes occurs...lol. does one want to chance getting wrecked a very expensive mic costing maybe over 1k ?? or some might say even a few hundred ?? its something to consider. if i remember the demo song coastal highway in my sig... i used on my vocs a tascam tm80 under 100 buk mic i was testing out for fun. some people seem to like it. (if you wanna listen use decent earbuds. bb/rb/rt's plus pg fx only used)
here are a couple of vids i found interesting viz clones and expensive high end mics. as one will see there might be a place for clones if one is concerned about a really expensive mic getting damaged.
the following vids certainly i found of interest. (tons more on you tube.) temu mic example..
lots more info on you tube vids and gearspace. lots of interesting stuff.
happiness to all.
om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 04/12/2504:26 PM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
Interesting comparison on the Nuemann U87 and its 'lookalike' companion. The price difference is far more astounding than the audio difference.
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of course another reason why one might get a pack of el cheapo mics is if the group knows its gonna be a rowdy crowd when playing out live say at a club. so one doesnt wanna chance a high value and/or vintage mic.
once years ago i saw the who live doing if i remember my generation and daltrey swing out the mic and then pulling it back. not sure i would wanna do that with a pricey mic.
of course one has to ensure any mic is safe.
for the live rowdy situation i would probably plop not for ultra ultra low priced but maybe a well known mic manufacturer.
eg...a pack of mics like these behringers ?
happiness.
om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 04/13/2512:37 PM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
of course another reason why one might get a pack of el cheapo mics is if the group knows its gonna be a rowdy crowd when playing out live say at a club. so one doesnt wanna chance a high value and/or vintage mic.
once years ago i saw the who live doing if i remember my generation and daltrey swing out the mic and then pulling it back.
om
I've only played on gig in my entire musical career where someone used a condenser mic on the stage. 99% of the gigs were Shure 57/58 mics. My own personal stage mic is a 58.
Those things can double as hammers. Mines been dropped, been on fire*, and soaked in my breath and sweat and still sounds like it did the first time it was used. That's why Daltry wasn't worried about swinging it around. I don't recall him ever dropping it, but I wasn't there so maybe he did. But he could afford a new one.
* We played a nice venue with a hopping crowd. At the time, we were using pyrotechnics. One of the flash pots was a little too close and slightly over filled with slow burning powder. It created a column of fire. Who knew that those foam windscreens were highly flammable? We knew it was going off at the start of the song so we were safely away from it but yep, it lit up the windscreen.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both.
The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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Yes the Shure SM 58's & 57"s are the toughest mics around bar none. I use one myself for live. I would not consider a condenser mic for live really. If guys like Mick Jagger twirling that SM 58 around like a mad man, you know that thing can handle it.
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I'd only add that I would recommend passing on any USB based mic.
As a general recommendation I second this. However, there are some USB mics that include their own ASIO drivers and have a headphone jack, which help to minimize any of the issues you mentioned. I still recommend avoiding them, as it can be cheaper in the long run to have an audio interface and multiple microphones rather than multiple USB microphones, not to mention all the different drivers...
On Mac it doesn't matter as much, since CoreAudio does all the heavy lifting that makes drivers basically irrelevant, provided the mic is class compliant (nearly all are).
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