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Hi,
New user and first post; I run a Kemper live and at home. In my home setting it's very simple, Kemper into interface through GarageBand. In GB, unknowingly I've been using this ambient vocal setting. I've figured out that it really adds some nice depth to the mix. My in-ear mix at church is missing that ambient effect as the tones although good are still dry and sometimes anemic compared to my home setting. I've talked to the sound guy about coming out of my laptop and going directly to FOH, but that's a pain. I guess my next step is to ask him for something "ambient" that he can add to my mix. I was curious if anyone has come across this issue and what you did to correct the issue.
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As a church musician on and off since 1968 (currently on again)…
I wouldn’t count on sound guy being able to do anything. It all depends on the console and its capabilities. If analog and there’s an effects loop for your feed, then a piece of gear can be added if there’s money in the budget for that. If digital, it depends on the routing capabilities—3rd party effects can cause latency in some mixers. In any case, a desk that allows you to have your special in-ear feed with effects is pretty pricy–back to the budget unless you want to head the fundraising committee for a new one…
You may have to live with a church mix that doesn’t live up to your desires.
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Use the Kemper & recreate the ambience within it. It is somewhat surprising to read of someone using a Kemper into Garageband - a bit like plugging a 56 LP into a transistor radio.
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Use the Kemper & recreate the ambience within it. It is somewhat surprising to read of someone using a Kemper into Garageband - a bit like plugging a 56 LP into a transistor radio. 
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I'm not sure I understand your response. The Kemper generatest the tones and Garageband is just the vehicle to hear them as well as play along to tracks. How else would you do it at home? You need something like that or Logic or ProTools right? What am I missing?
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Just to clarify, when you say you are using a Kemper live, you're using a "Kemper Profiler live"? (Not a Kemper Kabinet or anything else.)
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Firstly if the mix you are hearing is in monitor phones, do you know what the sound going out to the audience is? Sometimes monitor mix does not include fx.
and looking up garage band ambiece i get...............In GarageBand, "Ambience" is an effect that simulates a background noise or "space" to make a recording sound more natural or live. It essentially adds a short, subtle reverb or delay to create a sense of depth and atmosphere. Think of it as a way to make a dry-sounding recording sound like it was captured in a real room or outdoor location.
so as RayC and DC Ron suggest you should be able to add fx in the Kemper to recreate the reverb etc that garage band is adding at home.
i'm assuming that the kemper can store separate patches like most processors, so instead of running it through garage band, plug some phones in - assuming you can do that - and create the sound you want, store it as 'church' and next time you play in church use that patch. then use your normal patch at home going into garage band.
i found the original post a little confusing but i take it to mean that you plug a guitar into kemper and run that into garage band to hear it as part of a mix. garage band is adding 'ambience'. in church you are missing that as you listen to a monitor mix in headphones. but you should be able to add that in the kemper as suggested above.
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Because we're playing contemporary christian music, everything has something ambient added to each performance on the Kemper. All of that "wash" goes out to the phone and to my in-ear mix. On the left side of Garage Band there are these effects. In the Vocal option there are many effects option. Currently Ambient Vocals is selected. This is what is adding that enhanced tone that I'm missing when getting the in-ear mix. Though the guitar has all that "wash" added into the guitar signals, it still sounds flat and dry, and not more three dimensional.
Several people has suggested the same thing, add the ambient tone to the Kemper. As I said it's already there so I need something added Post. I guess I'll just have to request it and see what happens.
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Back to my post. None of this has anything to do with the monitor feed unless you have a console set up to feed effects to that feed. What you want may or may not be possible but you’ve given us no clue that lets us even guess.
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Back to my post. None of this has anything to do with the monitor feed unless you have a console set up to feed effects to that feed. What you want may or may not be possible but you’ve given us no clue that lets us even guess. It's a digital monitor, Midas, pretty high end. Whether they can/want "feed" me effects I'll have to ask. I have rehearsals on Wednesday so I can ask, but knowing my people, it will be moot.
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OK so having looked up garage band mixer..........
In summary, you can find the mixer functions within the track settings in the Tracks area, allowing you to control various aspects of your mix, including volume, panning, solo/mute, and effects.
so what else has your guitar got added to it in garage band - if anything? that might be the answer. as above 'ambience' in garage band is a mix of delay and reverb. 'vocal ambience' might well have eq, can you read out' the settings of the ambinece preset ad match them in your kemper?
(You are using the kemper in church aren't you and not sending your guitar dfirect to the mixer?)
And having looked up the Kemper user manual you do have a phones output. you also have speaker cabinet choices and a whole arrray of eq and reverb settings. You really should be able to set up the sound you want so it sounds good in the headphones at home direct from the kemper and not through garage band.. then save the patch as i suggested above and that will be the sound you are sending to the mixer in church.
I can't for the life of me understand why you can't achieve the sound you want without looking for an outside solution. i don't believe garage band can add anything the kemper can't. you might need to experiment but it must be possible. are your headphones at home the same as those you use for your in ear mix? are the home phones wired and the in ear mix over wireless? is the sound guy eq-ing your sound to what e wants and not what you want and then sending you the master mix? as mentioned above we are missing a lot of information.
what the sound guy sends out to the front is someting you can't control unless you can hear it. have you tried using a long lead and listening from the front during a practice session?
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I can't for the life of me understand why you can't achieve the sound you want without looking for an outside solution. The OP is not in charge of the sound at church, only at home. We don't know what is being used, the signal path or anything else other than the console is one of over a hundred products sporting the Midas brand.
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I agree Mike but if he gets the sound he wants from his processor at home and can hear it through phones not garage band he will know he's sending the right sound to the mixer. and if he uses a long guitar lead and listens to the front of house mix as it goes out - and not on whatever in ear phones he is using at the moment - he'll know if the mixer and sound guy are sending the right sound to the congregation.
the real unknown as far as i can work out is how he's getting the signal to his in ear phones.- from what send on the mixer and how its being sent and whether that is the sound that's going out front.
i've tried to suggest how to eliminate likely causes by getting the right sound at home and then listening to the front of house mix as it goes out. that seems to me the only way to sort out where the problem is.
it will be interesting to see if he tries what i am suggesting.
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Welcome to the forum.
I direct a church chamber orchestra, and I understand wanting to hear yourself with the sound you like, because, at least with me, it makes me perform better.
You said this: "I've talked to the sound guy about coming out of my laptop and going directly to FOH, but that's a pain."
My question is, why is that a pain to do?
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Welcome to the forum.
I direct a church chamber orchestra, and I understand wanting to hear yourself with the sound you like, because, at least with me, it makes me perform better.
You said this: "I've talked to the sound guy about coming out of my laptop and going directly to FOH, but that's a pain."
My question is, why is that a pain to do? Exactly. We’re being asked to help solve a problem without being given any clue as to what the problem is.
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I'm not sure the OP knows what the problem he wants solving is. But there are only two variables. One is the sound he's producing from the processor and the second is what's going out front - ignoring for the moment what he can hear in the in ear monitors. If he follows my advice he can solve the problem by getting his sound right in the processor and then with a long lead (i've done this for years) listening to the mix going out front and telling the sound man what he wants changing on the sound going out if it's possible. He might have to live with the dud monitor mix but at least he knows he sounds good 'out front'.
I think that's all there is to it - and it will solve the problem without him providing any more information. Interesting to hear what happens if he does what i suggest.
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I've been following this thread with some interest. I don't have the answers myself, but Bob's clarification and explanation makes sense to me.
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Neither of you have run sound in a church, I’m guessing. Everything is easy for the person not doing it.
I currently work in three churches and what he wants is not possible in any of them. Of course, I know those boards and designed the setup in two of them based on the budgets and the needs of the congregations at the time.
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I run sound for every concert in our church, in addition to running sound for dozens of shows over my career (though I'm usually on the performing end).
I still think we need more info.
What is the OP running Garage Band on at home? If it's a laptop, and if I understand correctly, could the OP bring and use the laptop he has at home, with the plugin in Garage Band that makes his in-ear monitor sound better, then take the output of that laptop into the church PA? That takes the sound engineer out of the loop, by sending him the signal the OP wants to hear and does hear. If the OP does not have a laptop at home, is it within budget to get one?
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