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Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack #851891 05/14/25 08:44 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 133 Paris (France)	Hello, I have BiaB 2025 on a Windows 10 PC connected via a Roland Duo Capture EX digital audio interface to a Clavinova 307, which I use both as a MIDI sound generator and as a master keyboard. Here's a new problem with BiaB 2025 that I didn't have with BiaB 2020: from time to time, when BiaB plays a Realtrack instrument, I hear also the notes of the underlying MIDI track played by another instrument. Here's a short video where the notes of the guitar Realtrack are also played by a MIDI piano: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dnBn1ho_H7j6zlvpmSP64IMsCQ2P9fwC/view?usp=sharing However, in Track Settings / MIDI channel, I set the channel of the underlying MIDI track to "Do not reroute" (screenshot below) How can I prevent BiaB from playing the underlying MIDI track of a Realtrack, especially with an instrument other than the one in the Realtrack! Thanks in advance for your advice. Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Lazy Bird #851901 05/14/25 11:48 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,312 Wauconda	Looks and sounds to me like that is indeed an Audio RT playing Guitar on that soloed track. Why do you feel it is midi? Last edited by DrDan; 05/14/25 11:50 AM. BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud (Tip: No need to create a SC account to hear music - just hit ESC ).

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Lazy Bird #851903 05/14/25 01:19 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,380 Hamlin NY	Which RealTrack(s) have this problem? If you let us know we can check it out ourselves. Have you tried the return to factory settings/most? That may solve your problem. I listened and I can't tell if it is some other instrument playing along OR the guitar or the guitar's effect(s). I get most of my exercise these days from shaking my head in disbelief. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack MarioD #851910 05/14/25 04:02 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Simon - PG Music Product Manager Joined: May 2020 Posts: 2,716 Victoria, BC	Strange, it does sound like a piano playing along with the guitar. Originally Posted by MarioD Have you tried the return to factory settings/most? That may solve your problem. I would do a Return To Factory Settings/ALL. I work here

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Lazy Bird #851911 05/14/25 04:10 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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DC Ron Veteran Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 2,764	This is likely of no help whatsoever, but this happened to me once when I left Jam Origin's MIDI Guitar standalone active. No matter what BiaB played, there was a MIDI piano following along. Drove me NUTS for a few minutes. Hope your issue is something simple, too. DC Ron BiaB Audiophile Presonus Studio One ASUS I9-12900K DAW, 32 GB RAM Presonus Faderport 16 Too many guitars (is that a thing?)

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Lazy Bird #851912 05/14/25 04:20 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,079 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Mario, in the video, it's Guitar 2 (not visible on the screen shot). It does sound like a piano playing the MIDI. The MIDI with some RealTracks is not meant to be heard; it is to show notation for educational purposes. As to what is doing it here, I think we need to have your song file posted somewhere that we can download. I could be very wrong about this, but I'm not remembering any new MIDI features introduced between BIAB 2020 and 2025. BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Lazy Bird #851915 05/14/25 04:35 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,878 Australia	Is the Realtrack on BIAB's original Melody or Soloist track. These are tracks #6 and #7 (from the top of the mixer). Since the original Melody and Soloist tracks were originally designed for user-input and playable notation, it's possible that the volume control affects the audio as well as the underlying MIDI. If Guitar 2 is on the original Melody or Soloist track, try moving it to a Utility track and erasing it from its present track. That might be make a difference. MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2025 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Noel96 #851931 05/14/25 05:59 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Simon - PG Music Product Manager Joined: May 2020 Posts: 2,716 Victoria, BC	Originally Posted by Matt Finley I could be very wrong about this, but I'm not remembering any new MIDI features introduced between BIAB 2020 and 2025. That gave me a thought - it is possible to enable Playable Realtracks on an RT track then specify all notes as Playable without creating a mute region, which would cause the notes to play through Sforzando while simultaneously playing the underlying RealTrack. That's an awful lot of hoops to jump through for this to happen though. Originally Posted by Noel96 Is the Realtrack on BIAB's original Melody or Soloist track. In the video it shows that the track in question is Utility 1. I work here

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack DrDan #852015 05/16/25 12:31 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 133 Paris (France)	Originellement posté par DrDan Looks and sounds to me like that is indeed an Audio RT playing Guitar on that soloed track. Why do you feel it is midi? Hello Dr Dan, For my part, I can hear the guitar from the realtrack, but I can also hear a piano playing the same notes! Can't you? Best. Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack MarioD #852019 05/16/25 01:43 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 133 Paris (France)	Originellement posté par MarioD Which RealTrack(s) have this problem? If you let us know we can check it out ourselves. Have you tried the return to factory settings/most? That may solve your problem. I listened and I can't tell if it is some other instrument playing along OR the guitar or the guitar's effect(s). Hello Mario D, In the clip I sent, it's a "Utility" track that I used to add a realtrack guitar solo to my song. Note: I have this problem with all the "Utility" tracks on which I add instrument solos. And clearly, it's not an effect of the guitar audio track, but rather the notes of a piano in MIDI: while I did choose "Do not re-route" in Track Settings, MIDI Channel, and I hear a piano with the guitar, if I now go to Track Settings, MIDI Channel, and choose channel 10, I hear drums with the guitar! For example, listen to: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lYTP-Bg0aWZKGCNY-nrd8_e08B1vCzgT/view?usp=sharing In fact, it's as if the underlying MIDI notes of a "Utility" realtrack are played by default when they should NOT be played by default! Best. Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Simon - PG Music #852020 05/16/25 01:57 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 133 Paris (France)	Originellement posté par Simon - PG Music Strange, it does sound like a piano playing along with the guitar. Originellement posté par MarioD Have you tried the return to factory settings/most? That may solve your problem. I would do a Return To Factory Settings/ALL. Hi Simon, Yes, I could Return to Factory Settings/ALL. But, while I've used this option maybe 2 or 3 times in 5 years with Band in a Box 2020 (my previous BiaB version), I've already used it 5 or 6 times in 5 months with Band in a Box 2025! I wonder if I didn't get a buggy version of BiaB 2025 because there are several things that are wrong: - already, during installation, two files were corrupted and didn't install (\bb\Styles\BLANKE16.STY and bb\Demos\MIDI Style Demos\Misc\BlankE16.SGU), - I encountered a lot of problems that I didn't have before with the MIDI relationship between BiaB and my Clavinova (my previous messages), - the list of my songs when I click on the "Songs" button often takes almost 10 seconds to open, - I hear these MIDI notes on Utility realtracks, - lots of other little issues I haven't noticed along the way ... I'm wondering if I should abandon my hard drive version and download an online version from the PG Music website. With Wi-Fi, it will take me 2 days; maybe with an Ethernet cable it could be faster. Do you think it's worth a try? Best. Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack DC Ron #852026 05/16/25 03:51 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 133 Paris (France)	Originellement posté par DC Ron This is likely of no help whatsoever, but this happened to me once when I left Jam Origin's MIDI Guitar standalone active. No matter what BiaB played, there was a MIDI piano following along. Drove me NUTS for a few minutes. Hope your issue is something simple, too. Thanks for the idea, DC Ron. But I don't think it applies to me: - For MIDI, I'm not using a virtual instrument, but an external hardware sound generator, in this case my Clavinova CVP 307, via a digital audio interface. - In the mixer window, I can see that there's no instrument plugin attached to the Realtrack in question. Do you think I should check anything else? Best Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Matt Finley #852028 05/16/25 04:09 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 133 Paris (France)	Originellement posté par Matt Finley Mario, in the video, it's Guitar 2 (not visible on the screen shot). It does sound like a piano playing the MIDI. The MIDI with some RealTracks is not meant to be heard; it is to show notation for educational purposes. As to what is doing it here, I think we need to have your song file posted somewhere that we can download. I could be very wrong about this, but I'm not remembering any new MIDI features introduced between BIAB 2020 and 2025. Hello Matt, Here's a link to download the track corresponding to the two videos I sent: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WSo2gGbdVl4Itjdc7WMl6ShvOXxZZ7Oi/view?usp=sharing Please note, I don't encounter this problem every time. So, I don't know if you'll encounter it too. However, could you try to see if you can also hear the drums when you select channel 10 in Track Settings, MIDI Channel for the Guitar 2 (or Guitar 3, or Vibes 2, or Vibes 3) realtrack? If so, do you think this is normal for a realtrack? Best. Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Noel96 #852030 05/16/25 04:25 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 133 Paris (France)	Originellement posté par Noel96 Is the Realtrack on BIAB's original Melody or Soloist track. These are tracks #6 and #7 (from the top of the mixer). Since the original Melody and Soloist tracks were originally designed for user-input and playable notation, it's possible that the volume control affects the audio as well as the underlying MIDI. If Guitar 2 is on the original Melody or Soloist track, try moving it to a Utility track and erasing it from its present track. That might be make a difference. Hello Noel, As you can see from the last screenshot I sent, the track I'm having the problem with is a "Utility" track: it's not the Melody track or the Soloist track. But your comment made me think about deleting the notes displayed in the RealTrack's notation window, i.e., the MIDI notes. Well, after deleting the displayed notes, I no longer hear the piano at the same time as the guitar! As I was saying to Mario D: it's as if the underlying MIDI notes of a "Utility" RealTrack (but may be also a classic RealTrack) are played by default when they should NOT be played by default! Isn't there a setting somewhere that prevents this? Best Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Lazy Bird #852034 05/16/25 06:20 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,380 Hamlin NY	Have you tried unplugging your Clavinova CVP 307? Or setting its CC2, CC7, CC11 (all volume controls) to zero? My thought is maybe your Clavinova CVP 307 is seeing the MIDI data and playing it. I say this as when you delete the MIDI data nothing plays. I have used RTs along with a lot of MIDI sound sources, software and hardware, and never had this problem. I am glad that you found a workaround. I get most of my exercise these days from shaking my head in disbelief. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Simon - PG Music #852038 05/16/25 06:27 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 133 Paris (France)	Originellement posté par Simon - PG Music Originellement posté par Matt Finley I could be very wrong about this, but I'm not remembering any new MIDI features introduced between BIAB 2020 and 2025. That gave me a thought - it is possible to enable Playable Realtracks on an RT track then specify all notes as Playable without creating a mute region, which would cause the notes to play through Sforzando while simultaneously playing the underlying RealTrack. That's an awful lot of hoops to jump through for this to happen though. Hello again, Simon, I'm not sure I understand what you're suggesting. Specifically, what do you mean by "specify all notes as playable without creating a mute region" and how do I do it? But in any case, is this compatible with the fact that I'm using an external hardware sound generator and not a virtual instrument controlled by Sforzando? Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Lazy Bird #852050 05/16/25 03:57 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,878 Australia	Originally Posted by Lazy Bird ...your comment made me think about deleting the notes displayed in the RealTrack's notation window, i.e., the MIDI notes. Well, after deleting the displayed notes, I no longer hear the piano at the same time as the guitar! This sound like an inconsistency (and maybe a bug). My take on it is that the underlying MIDI notation for a Realtrack (generated on a Utility track) does not have its volume output either disabled or set to zero during the generation process. MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2025 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack MarioD #852106 05/17/25 11:57 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 133 Paris (France)	Originellement posté par MarioD Have you tried unplugging your Clavinova CVP 307? Or setting its CC2, CC7, CC11 (all volume controls) to zero? My thought is maybe your Clavinova CVP 307 is seeing the MIDI data and playing it. I say this as when you delete the MIDI data nothing plays. I have used RTs along with a lot of MIDI sound sources, software and hardware, and never had this problem. I am glad that you found a workaround. Hello Mario D, Thanks for your suggestion, but it's difficult to disconnect the Clavinova since I also use it as a sound generator for "true" MIDI tracks like the melody track, and as a master keyboard if I want to record via MIDI. And while it's usually possible to control the volume of a virtual instrument and the control knobs are relatively easy to find, I don't even know if it's possible to control the volume of a MIDI channel on a Clavinova, and in any case, I don't know how to do it on my Clavinova: to configure MIDI on the Clavinova CVP 307, there are several screens that I don't really understand (screenshots below)! I'll try, but I'd much prefer if PG Music explained what's going on and found a solution... 😊! Best. Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Noel96 #852107 05/17/25 12:14 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 133 Paris (France)	Originellement posté par Noel96 Originellement posté par Lazy Bird ...your comment made me think about deleting the notes displayed in the RealTrack's notation window, i.e., the MIDI notes. Well, after deleting the displayed notes, I no longer hear the piano at the same time as the guitar! This sound like an inconsistency (and maybe a bug). My take on it is that the underlying MIDI notation for a Realtrack (generated on a Utility track) does not have its volume output either disabled or set to zero during the generation process. Yes, Noel, that's what I think too. But in that case, there must be a way to fix this problem in Band in a Box. Unfortunately, for now, I don't see it. In any case, reverting to the factory settings isn't enough: I still have this problem with MIDI notes playing on realtracks, but this time I hear isolated MIDI notes (one note about every 10 to 20 bars) on the usual realtracks (not the Utility Tracks)! And in this case, the solution of erasing the underlying MIDI notes from the realtrack doesn't work! But it's less annoying because it's just a single note every now and then. I wish PG Music could find an explanation for this. Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Lazy Bird #852108 05/17/25 12:20 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,380 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted by Lazy Bird Hello Mario D, Thanks for your suggestion, but it's difficult to disconnect the Clavinova since I also use it as a sound generator for "true" MIDI tracks like the melody track, and as a master keyboard if I want to record via MIDI. ............................... If I read this right your Clavinova is a sound source for only MIDI, thus audio is being played by something else, Maybe an audio interface, i.e. soundcard? If that is correct there is one thing you can try that may indicate where the problem is and that is use the BiaB Coyote WT for the MIDI sounds (I know they will not sound anywhere as good your your Clavinova) and turn off your Clavinova. Listen carefully. Do you still hear the piano? If yes then the problem is with BiaB; if it is sending MIDI the CoyoteWT will play it. If not then the Clavinova is reading the MIDI file and playing said piano part. Good luck I get most of my exercise these days from shaking my head in disbelief. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack MarioD #852364 05/20/25 04:30 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 133 Paris (France)	Originellement posté par MarioD If I read this right your Clavinova is a sound source for only MIDI, thus audio is being played by something else, Maybe an audio interface, i.e. soundcard? If that is correct there is one thing you can try that may indicate where the problem is and that is use the BiaB Coyote WT for the MIDI sounds (I know they will not sound anywhere as good your your Clavinova) and turn off your Clavinova. Listen carefully. Do you still hear the piano? If yes then the problem is with BiaB; if it is sending MIDI the CoyoteWT will play it. If not then the Clavinova is reading the MIDI file and playing said piano part. Good luck Thank you for this good idea, Mario D ! I took a little time to test it because I haven't had the same problem for two days. So, to try to reproduce the problem (😊!), I assigned the underlying MIDI of my Utility RealTrack "Guitar 2" to channel 3 (I had previously set it to "Do not re-route"). But still no problem. So, I looked at which MIDI channel the underlying MIDI of the "Utility" tracks is assigned to by default, and since it's channel 1, I assigned the underlying MIDI of my Utility RealTrack "Guitar 2" to channel 1. And there, the problem again: I hear the piano along with the guitar! So, I ran your test :in the MIDI/Audio Drivers Setup window, I abandoned my digital audio interface and I chose Use VSTi/DXi Synth, with the default synth offered by BiaB (Coyote WT). And there: no piano along with the guitar! So the problem could be the Clavinova?! Probably like with the previous issue I reported on the forum ("Band in a Box 2025 stutters when I play MIDI"). But why didn't I have any of these problems with BiaB 2020? Personnally, I'm leaning towards a problem related to the relationship between BiaB 2025, my Windows 10 PC, and my Clavinova, i.e., it could be a problem related to both BiaB 2025 and/or the PC and/or the Clavinova: some sort of incompatibility related to a change in MIDI handling in BiaB 2025 with Windows 10 and/or the Clavinova. So, I'm wondering if I shouldn't abandon the Clavinova as a sound generator and switch to VSTis. Advantage: no need to reconfigure Band in a Box if I take my PC to a studio. But disadvantages: - this requires a lot of PC memory, - I don't know of any multi-instrument VSTi with the sound quality of the Clavinova at a reasonable price (I bought the Garritan JABB3, and I'm very disappointed), - it takes longer to switch between instruments in BiaB (unless I'm mistaken, there are no good pre-mapped multi-instrument VSTi in GM), ... If you have any advice for me regarding VSTi options to equip Band in a Box 2025 (mainly with "jazz" instruments), I'm all ears 😊! Best. Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Lazy Bird #852380 05/20/25 06:36 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,380 Hamlin NY	Hi Lazy Bird, Since you didn't have this problem with BiaB 2020 I believe the problem is the interaction between BiaB 2025 and the Clavinova. I left out Win 10 because if the issue was between BiaB 2025 and Win 10 all of us with an external sound sources would have the problem. Have you contacted the Yamaha people? Maybe they have some incite on this and/or can help you set up some MIDI configurations that may help. "- I don't know of any multi-instrument VSTi with the sound quality of the Clavinova at a reasonable price (I bought the Garritan JABB3, and I'm very disappointed)" - That is a correct statement. To get good sounding VSTs it can take a lot of money. I have a lot of great sounding VSTis but I have been using MIDI since the mid 1980's. I also was very disappointed in JABB3. "unless I'm mistaken, there are no good pre-mapped multi-instrument VSTi in GM" - I agree. There are some good sounding ones (Soundfonts, SF2) but probably not as good sounding as you Clavinova: there are a lot of good free ones so you might want to check them out,Timbres Of Heaven is one of the best GM SF2s. Once you get great sounds it is very hard to go back! And yes it does take some time to set up VSTis, plus you have to do it for every song. Note that you can set up a template but it wouldn't work for every song as each song will require different sounds. Here is my advice: 1- If you want to go the VST route pick either Kontakt or Sampletank. I have Kontakt and a lot of Native Instruments and third party patches for it: a lot of companies produce patches for it, some are free. It is my go to sound source. I hear SampleTank is also very good but I have no experience with it. Both are expensive but if you are serious about VSTs wait for sales. Kontakt can be purchased at half cost during sales. 2-Since you have solved the problem, at least for now but hopefully forever, stay with your Clavinova. I hope this makes sense to you. I get most of my exercise these days from shaking my head in disbelief. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Lazy Bird #852416 05/20/25 11:43 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Simon - PG Music Product Manager Joined: May 2020 Posts: 2,716 Victoria, BC	I've figured out that this is a bug that specifically affects Utility tracks, and only when using an external MIDI device instead of a VSTi/DXi plugin, and have created a bug report for it. To duplicate it, set BB to use an external MIDI instrument (either hardware MIDI or the Microsoft GS Wavetable synth), then add any RealTrack with notation to a Utility Track. The workaround for the moment is to use a VSTi/DXi plugin as your default synth, or to avoid using the Utility Tracks. I work here

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack MarioD #852426 05/20/25 01:31 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 133 Paris (France)	Originellement posté par MarioD Hi Lazy Bird, Since you didn't have this problem with BiaB 2020 I believe the problem is the interaction between BiaB 2025 and the Clavinova. I left out Win 10 because if the issue was between BiaB 2025 and Win 10 all of us with an external sound sources would have the problem. Have you contacted the Yamaha people? Maybe they have some incite on this and/or can help you set up some MIDI configurations that may help. "- I don't know of any multi-instrument VSTi with the sound quality of the Clavinova at a reasonable price (I bought the Garritan JABB3, and I'm very disappointed)" - That is a correct statement. To get good sounding VSTs it can take a lot of money. I have a lot of great sounding VSTis but I have been using MIDI since the mid 1980's. I also was very disappointed in JABB3. "unless I'm mistaken, there are no good pre-mapped multi-instrument VSTi in GM" - I agree. There are some good sounding ones (Soundfonts, SF2) but probably not as good sounding as you Clavinova: there are a lot of good free ones so you might want to check them out,Timbres Of Heaven is one of the best GM SF2s. Once you get great sounds it is very hard to go back! And yes it does take some time to set up VSTis, plus you have to do it for every song. Note that you can set up a template but it wouldn't work for every song as each song will require different sounds. Here is my advice: 1- If you want to go the VST route pick either Kontakt or Sampletank. I have Kontakt and a lot of Native Instruments and third party patches for it: a lot of companies produce patches for it, some are free. It is my go to sound source. I hear SampleTank is also very good but I have no experience with it. Both are expensive but if you are serious about VSTs wait for sales. Kontakt can be purchased at half cost during sales. 2-Since you have solved the problem, at least for now but hopefully forever, stay with your Clavinova. I hope this makes sense to you. Hello Mario D, Thank you so much for all this advice! I'm going to contact Yamaha in France. I know they have a very competent technician/demonstrator: he already advised me a few years ago, and he should be able to shed some light on how MIDI works in my Clavinova. I'm glad to know that you also find JABB3 disappointing... because that means your Native VSTis are better ;-). If I switch to VSTis, I'm also leaning towards Kontakt/Komplete: it seems to me that Sampletank ages faster and is updated less than Kontakt/Komplete. But, since I'm a bit lazy and afraid of doing more computing than music, I'll probably stick with my current setup for a while longer. Especially since I just read Simon's last post, which suggests that there may be a bug in the way Utility Tracks work: if that's the case and if PG Music fixes the problem, my Clavinova will still be used as a sound generator for some time! Thanks again and take care! Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Simon - PG Music #852427 05/20/25 01:44 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 133 Paris (France)	Originellement posté par Simon - PG Music I've figured out that this is a bug that specifically affects Utility tracks, and only when using an external MIDI device instead of a VSTi/DXi plugin, and have created a bug report for it. To duplicate it, set BB to use an external MIDI instrument (either hardware MIDI or the Microsoft GS Wavetable synth), then add any RealTrack with notation to a Utility Track. The workaround for the moment is to use a VSTi/DXi plugin as your default synth, or to avoid using the Utility Tracks. Hello Simon, Thank you for continuing to follow up on the issue I raised. Of course, if PG Music finds a bug in the functionality of Utility Tracks and fixes it, I'll be the happiest BiaB 2025 user... because I replaced my BiaB 2020, which I was quite happy with, to have more tracks and thus be able to create backing tracks as close as possible to the arrangements and song forms planned for our concerts! Best. Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Simon - PG Music #852428 05/20/25 01:50 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,380 Hamlin NY	Thanx Simon for all of your help on this issue. I get most of my exercise these days from shaking my head in disbelief. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack #857421 07/12/25 04:00 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Lazy Bird Apprentice Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 133 Paris (France)	Originellement posté par mariaedinson3 Looks and sounds to me like that is indeed an Audio RT playing Guitar on that soloed track. Why do you feel it is midi? Hello mariaedinson3, You're right, it's definitely a guitar RealTrack we hear on this track. But if you listen closely, you'll also hear the same notes played by a piano. This piano can't be a RealTrack, because I don't think PG Music bothered creating two-instrument RealTracks without saying so :-)! Now, as you know, most RealTracks have a MIDI track associated with them (this is what allows the notes of a RealTrack to be displayed in the notation window), but of course, the velocity of the notes on this underlying MIDI track is set to zero so we can't hear them (if you switch to staff roll mode in the notation window, you'll see that the velocity of the notes displayed is set to zero). In my case, it's the notes on the MIDI track underlying the RealTrack that we hear, even though their velocity is set to zero! And that's my problem ! And why am I sure that it's these notes from the underlying MIDI track that I'm hearing? Quite simply because if I change the MIDI channel associated with the track in question, I'll hear an instrument other than the piano 🙃. In particular, if I orient the underlying MIDI track to MIDI channel 10 (Right-click on the track > Track Setting > MIDI Channel > 10), it's no longer the piano I'm hearing, but the drums 🤣🤣🤣 (but actually, that's not funny)! Lazy Bird

Re: Different audio and MIDI instruments playing simultanesouly on a realtrack Lazy Bird #857423 07/12/25 04:22 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,079 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Originally Posted by Lazy Bird ... In particular, if I orient the underlying MIDI track to MIDI channel 10 (Right-click on the track > Track Setting > MIDI Channel > 10), it's no longer the piano I'm hearing, but the drums 🤣🤣🤣 (but actually, that's not funny)! Absolutely a clue that the source of the 'other' sound is MIDI. BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.

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August 22, 2025

XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!

XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!

The XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs special offers are now available until August 31st at 11:59pm PDT!

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Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

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August 06, 2025

Mac 2025 Special Upgrade Offers Extended Until August 15th!

It's not too late to upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® and save! We've extended our special until August 15, 2025!

We've added many major new features to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, including advanced AI tools like the amazing BB Stem Splitter and AI Lyrics Generator, as well as VST3 plugin support, and Equalize Temp. Plus, there’s a new one-stop MIDI Patches Picker with over 1,100 MIDI patches to choose from, all neatly categorized by GM numbers. The MultiPicker Library is enhanced with tabs for the SongPicker, MIDI Patch Picker, Chord Builder, AI Lyrics Generator, and Song Titles Browser, and the tabs are organized into logical groups. The Audiophile Edition is enhanced with FLAC files , which are 60% smaller than AIFF files while maintaining identical audio quality, and now ships on a fast 1TB SSD, and much more!

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Purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac during our special to save up to 50% off your upgrade purchase and receive a FREE BONUS PAK of amazing new Add-ons. These include the 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK, Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana, Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes, MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano, Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7, Playable RealTracks Set 4, RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark, and more!

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July 27, 2025

New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2025!

We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!

Jazz, Blues & World (Sets 449–455):
These RealTracks includes “Soul Jazz” with Neil Swainson (bass), Mike Clark (drums), Charles Treadway (organ), Miles Black (piano), and Brent Mason (guitar). Enjoy “Requested ’60s” jazz, classic acoustic blues with Colin Linden, and more of our popular 2-handed piano soloing. Plus, a RealTracks first—Tango with bandoneon, recorded in Argentina!

Rock & Pop (Sets 456–461):
This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.

Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles

Check out all the 202 New RealTracks (in sets 456-467)

And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.

You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.

Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!

The 2025 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2025 49-PAK!

July 23, 2025

Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!

With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!

These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!

This Free Bonus PAK includes:

The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK: -For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles. -For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles. -For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
Playable RealTracks Set 4
RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.

Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:

20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe

Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!

July 21, 2025

New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!

Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!

In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

July 21, 2025

New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!

We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!

We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!

If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!

Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.

Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

July 21, 2025

New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!

Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

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