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Anybody getting good results using a high quality VSTi plugin like Electri6ity or Real Strat? The guitar MIDI created by the BIAB styles don't sound real played into Forte or my Ketron but I was wondering what a high quality plugin would do for the sound. Electri6ity has a huge sample library and a lot of intelligence that supposedly takes keyboard input and makes it sound very guitar like. Unfortunately a demo is not available for download or I would try it out myself. The sample libraries are huge so I guess demo versions are not practical.
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Dave,
Without a Demo I would surely wait. BIAB as issues with some VSTi that require timing from the host. Not sure if RB has that issue or not. Don't know if the program you are considering needs it. I guess I don't know anything except wait.
Have you tried the Real Tracks guitars? there are a lot of them and they are very good.
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Without a Demo I would surely wait. BIAB as issues with some VSTi that require timing from the host. Not sure if RB has that issue or not. Don't know if the program you are considering needs it. I guess I don't know anything except wait.
Have you tried the Real Tracks guitars? there are a lot of them and they are very good.
Thanks John. Actually what I usually do is create the song in BIAB or RealBand using the styles then drop the MIDI and RealTracks into FL Studio because of the VST timing problem with PG Music products. I use many VST's in FL Studio (Rob Papen RG, Jamstix 3, Morphine, Harmless, Sytrus, Sakura, EZMix, Vocodex, Maximus, Session Strings, & Komplete 6). I love the RealTracks but there just are not enough of them yet especially with regard to lead guitar.
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Yes guitar solos are at a premium for sure.
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Hi Dave, although I have not heard a guitar VSTi that sound real, check my avatar to see why, but I did a google search for “guitar VSTi” and there are quite a few free ones here. I have read that there are a number of good sounding ones for Kontakt such as these and these However they can be on the more expensive side. A less expensive one here has received good reviews. Also Kontakt comes with some guitar sounds. Have you tried them? Since I do not know how you will be using these guitar sounds I can not help you with that. However I will say that if you expect to take a BiaB generated midi file, drop it into FL Studio, pick a new VSTi and think it will sound more like a real guitar you are in for a big disappointment. You will need to greatly modify any Midi guitar file to even come close. You will need to use the pitch bend (vibrato, slurs, pre-bends and bend, slides, detuning, etc.), the mod wheel (tremolo, etc), configurable fader and/or knobs (hammer ons, pull offs, legato playing etc). It will take a lot of editing to achieve that almost real sound and I haven’t even gotten into cabinet choices and effects as they also are needed. I don’t know what you are using for midi input but if you don’t have a midi controller keyboard with assignable knobs and faders you will have to input/draw the data in the piano roll view.. I use one like this model . I hope this helps.
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Hi Dave, although I have not heard a guitar VSTi that sound real, check my avatar to see why, but I did a google search for “guitar VSTi” and there are quite a few free ones here.
I have read that there are a number of good sounding ones for Kontakt such as these and these
However they can be on the more expensive side.
A less expensive one here
has received good reviews.
Also Kontakt comes with some guitar sounds. Have you tried them?
Since I do not know how you will be using these guitar sounds I can not help you with that. However I will say that if you expect to take a BiaB generated midi file, drop it into FL Studio, pick a new VSTi and think it will sound more like a real guitar you are in for a big disappointment. You will need to greatly modify any Midi guitar file to even come close. You will need to use the pitch bend (vibrato, slurs, pre-bends and bend, slides, detuning, etc.), the mod wheel (tremolo, etc), configurable fader and/or knobs (hammer ons, pull offs, legato playing etc). It will take a lot of editing to achieve that almost real sound and I haven’t even gotten into cabinet choices and effects as they also are needed.
I don’t know what you are using for midi input but if you don’t have a midi controller keyboard with assignable knobs and faders you will have to input/draw the data in the piano roll view.. I use one like this model .
I hope this helps.
Thanks Mario. You provided a lot of useful information. I have looked at many of the guitar VSTs and sample libraries including the ones you listed. Right now the most interesting one out is Electri6ity which seems to have put a lot more intelligence into trying simulate a real guitar player. I am not fooling myself though. I doubt these will ever sound quite like the real thing and the keyboard actions seem difficult to learn. I have tried the guitar libraries that came with Kontakt. The individual samples do sound good but there is not enough variations. I have an Alesis Q49 MIDI controller. Not as good as your Oxygen 49 with 8 assignable knobs and 9 assignable sliders.
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Thanks for the links, Mario 
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Dave,
What's the local musician scene like in your part of China? I'm guessing you can hire in your needs with better satisfaction than with a plugin. That said, the Trilogy/Trillian plugin for bass guitar is astounding - if that company made a guitar plugin, I would sit up and pay notice.
-Scott
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Dave,
What's the local musician scene like in your part of China? I'm guessing you can hire in your needs with better satisfaction than with a plugin. That said, the Trilogy/Trillian plugin for bass guitar is astounding - if that company made a guitar plugin, I would sit up and pay notice.
-Scott
Also why not ask for help on the forums?
I'll bet a number of guitarists here would volunteer to help in collaboration.
I know I would!
I think my wife has started to show the first signs of dementia.
She said she can't remember what she ever saw in me!
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Thanks Scott and Mario. Finding good guitarists in China is difficult. At sometime in the future I may want to collaborate online when I want a polished result. I am a bass player so would be willing to also collaborate in return.
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