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Yes, I write melodies using the piano roll window. Will often create a melody in Band in a box, port it over to my DAW (Logic Pro 11). After so many years, I find it faster to rewrite/spruce up the BIAB melody on a piano roll.. You can copy melody phrases to a different section and make subtle changes to accommodate the current chords. Now I can do it without any assistance. Years ago, I would do a BIAB version of the song with the 'hymn' style. and export that MIDI into Logic. The notes in this MIDI file are blocked out for the full chord length. I copy the chords and paste them several octaves higher and lower than the original position. I mute and shorten them. and display these and the current BIAB melody. This makes it easier to know which important notes to put on one current chord note.

You can add passing tones, I often do them on the 'ands' of notes in 8ths or 16ths. Make them shorter and lower the velocity so they don't get so much attention. You can also move the melody notes to 6th, 7th, 9ths, 13, diminished for extra spice occasionally.. After a while, it becomes 2nd nature. After many years of playing, I don't bother with the guide reference notes. My ear/hand puts the note in the right place. The vast majority of the time I get it right. Sometimes I have to slide the note around.

Now also it is a good time to fool around with syncopation. Slide some notes forward backward to make the melody more interesting.

A great tip I discovered, was an old John Lennon work cassette. He woujld take the powerpoint or important notes in a 6 or 8 note melody, and sing that note in all musically available intervals.. Some of the examples he worked on, ending up in some of this best hits. Sometimes you want to move the important melody note higher. There are 'power positions' for certain notes, you want to experiment where you place them on the scale. Hope this helps

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Thanks Mark! There’s some interesting ideas in your post. I am a guitarist teaching myself keys so I can add a riff or lick here or there in my songs. I usually have a go at playing a section on keys, then I go to the piano roll in my DAW to tidy it up, which usually involves time-shifting the odd note or removing errant key touches, then as you say, copying the section to other parts.

I hadn’t heard the Lennon PowerPoint story before, but sounds like a useful tool to look for a nice touch to a melody. It fits with advice I’ve read elsewhere about distinctive melodies containing more interval jumps/drops - a distinction between McCartney and Lennon - the former’s melodies using more interval jumps while the latter tended to use melodies with minimal interval movement underpinned by harmonic development with chord progressions (generalisations but some truth to it).

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< "Playable Real Tracks" can be used for segments within the RealTrack, but that's really intended for small treaks ... >

I've found these small tweaks to be as authentic as editing with Melodyne and much faster. In the mix, Playable Real Tracks, done correctly, could be used in a commercial recording. In many cases, the edited notes are sampled during the original session RealTracks recordings by the actual session musician with the actual session instruments in the same recording environment with the same instrument settings. For the RealTracks that haven't yet had the actual instrument sampled, PG staff have researched and selected the best match sample for that track instrument.

Also note that PRT sound plug-ins can be changed from the PRT assigned sound. RealCharts can be edited, overwritten with any midi data transcription and played with the PRT samples or changed to another VST.

Playable RealTracks are more powerful and versatile than seems to be recognized in recent discussions here in the forum.

Attached screenshot shows the Playable RealTrack guitar data using CoyoteWT organ sound.

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Here's a link showing PG Music staff demonstrating the Playable RealTrack concept back on 05/11/2011.

The update in 2022 to Playable RealTracks allows the editing to be on a single track in the Mixer. While this doesn't completely allow total editing of RealTracks creating custom phrasing of a RealTrack, there are many, many instances amazing results can be obtained for those that understand audio and midi programming and editing.

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