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Hi Gang. I am having so much trouble with the stem splitter around one issue. I cannot get the darned first measure bar to be right and also line up with the count in clicks. I have a song imported into the stem splitter via the open special command successfully and split successfully. The music starts on beat 4 as a pickup note and then proceeds from there in the next measure with the 1. I can easily hear where each down beat is. When I click on the first down beat (just past the proceeding 4) and press L to make a measure line all is well. Then I tap out the rest of the song using L on each new down beat. The I adjust any slight errors in the down beat L taps. Then I use the equalize tempo feature and pick my tempo and all is well.
Then when I go to play the results, the count-in click is all over the place and usually the first measure marker is gone.
Questions are whether this device can handle pickup notes and keep the measure lines straight? Can the count in be synced with the file in this situation? There is now way that I know of to indicate where the real first measure line might be since there are three quarter notes of rest before the 4 plays leading into the next measure.
I am so frustrated and have spent hours trying to figure this out. I remember from a post deep in the past that there is some way to indicate where the "first" bar line is by right clicking on the play head line and getting a contextual menu where I can indicate first measure, but I cannot seem to find this functionality anywhere.
Can you help me. I don't understand why this is so hard to do. Thanks so much.
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Here's an image that shows the beginning of my waveforms. The two red arrows show where the first two measure lines were that have now disappeared. You can see that there is a beat 4 as a pick up in the first real measure (which is mostly silent) and the first red arrow shows really where the second measure starts in this song. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=31246&filename=BIAB.jpg)
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I can see from your image, that BIAB has added bars -1 and 0 (the count-in bars) and that bar 1 starts where your right arrow is pointing. Without knowing what audio you started with, BIAB has interpreted that the pick-up note and the first bar of your music belongs in the count-in bars. This is why you have lost the bar lines. My guess is that you have imported your audio using the default settings. If so, these default settings assume that your audio has a 2-bar count-in. If this is the case, it would seem that your audio does not have a 2-bar count-in. Try this... 1) Kill the audio that you have loaded. 2) Import your audio using the settings that I have indicated on the image below. This will import your audio to chorus 1, bar 2, beat 1 and tick (partial beat) 0. 3) For your first bar line, estimate where beat 1 occurs in the bar that contains the pick-up note. This will set bar 1 as the bar that contains the pick-up note. In BIAB it is often better to put a pickup note at the end of the first bar rather than at the end of the last bar of the count-in. 4) Have a read through my instructions on how to locate the timing of bars in the pdf at the below link. This will help explain how BIAB's automatic 2-bar count-in works. https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=821394#Post821394![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=31247&filename=Stem splitter importing at bar 2.jpg)
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Noel !!!! Thank you so much for coming to my rescue and so quickly. I so appreciate you and your input. I am going to study your recommendations very carefully and hopefully conquer this impasse. I so want to use this feature powerfully, frequently and with ease. I have just tons of use for it. Thank you again. I will retry and let you know how it goes.
Never seen that Import audio dialog box before. Great. I'll find it.
I will read your PDF now with the question in my mind as to how to set that first bar line. Will it simply be to click on the area and Press L or some other first bar line specific command. Just thinking out loud here and diving into the PDF right now.
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So Noel, I have read everything and it is so generous of you to have made this. Since your post and the PDF do not mention anything about the splitter, can I assume that I should import the song just as it is (not split) and go through your suggested steps and THEN when it is all set, use the splitter to get the stems separated? If so, how does one split an already imported, adjusted, bar lined, chord analyzed song? Is there a command to do that process after all of this work to get the song all mapped out?
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You're a genius!!! It worked. What a relief. Now what about splitting it into stems??? I have never done it after the optimizing.
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Hi Moonbeam.
That's great news that you've tamed it a bit.
I haven't really played around a great deal with the splitter. When I did give it a test run earlier in the year, I began the process by using the Audio Chord Wizard (which is what my PDF covers). Working with ACW first gets the audio file set up, organised and ready to go. After that was done, I used the "Open Stem Splitter" command that is located under the "Audio" menu (found at the top of the program).
This process worked for me. I didn't use the "Import Audio File To Separate Tracks Using Stem Splitter" which is also under the "Audio" menu.
I hope this information helps. I've got my fingers crossed that @Charlie Fogle will read your post and offer his thoughts. He is much more expert at working with Stem Splitter than I am.
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I'm a long time user and here's what I have discovered to make it work right. The photo you posted looks like the ACW...Automatic Chord Wizard. I've not had problems with the stem splitter but the ACW has been a source of endless frustration and with you saying trying to get it to line up makes me think you're talking about the ACW more so than the stem splitter.
Be sure to set the tempo to 120. You can worry about the actual tempo later. Be sure to set the END or last measure to 120. It starts defaulted at 32 and will stop at that measure. Set it to 120.
I do this the old school way. I listen to the song while looking at the first couple of measures. I guestimate where the first beat of 1 occurs and insert a line there. Often, I'm working with songs that have pickup notes. So it doesn't necessarily equate to the first wave form start being the ONE beat in the song. Move the cursor to where you know the actual ONE beat first occurs. You can zoom in and edit/drag that first Bar Line to get it exactly on the ONE.
Add bar line (L) I then simply start the song playback and tap the "L" key on the first beat of each measure. Once you have all the lines in place you will see what tempo they are. ACW will display the exact tempo in each measure that it has detected. If, for example it is 92 point something..... Now go to the far right to Equalize Tempo, input the tempo of 92, and let it do it's thing. You now have a project that's lined up and will play in time with the BB style at exactly 92 BPM.
Splitting out the stems at this point is a simple matter of going through the steps in the menus. I'm not at the DAW right now but I think it's two or three steps max to get the stems in the utility tracks. You can do the stem splitting before or after running the ACW which I have found to be a confusing process until I figured it out.
Hope this helps.
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Thank so much for chiming in!
Noel96 makes wonderful points in the posts earlier in this thread about how to get those pickup notes properly put into the BIAB chordshet measure structure and not conflict with the count-in.
You are so right about having to put in a huge number of bars and I have been tripped up by that 32 bar restriction several times until I figured it out just this last time!
Good point at setting the tempo to 120 and then changing it appropriately (I have done it with the equalize tempo button).
Yes, indeed I do the measure lines manually for all the downbeats by pressing the L key repeatedly throughout the whole song. That works really well and then I make micro adjustments if I have made small errors.
Noel96 made the important point of adding a safety bar line at the very beginning of the silent period at the beginning of the imported audio to "protect" this area from BIAB chopping off some audio information if it screws up the count-in. See his link to the PDF he has made on this process in his comments earlier in this post.
Yes I have now realized that I can do the splitting after the adjustments in ACW which I greatly prefer now.
I an just now in communication with PG about what proper destination to choose in the splitter drop down menu for destination. It appears that if one chooses "Audio", the stems will start populating there and below and the imported audio track will be ERASED. If one wants to keep the original audio, one should choose "Utility #1" to start the populating of the stems. Clearly this is what I am going to do.
Thanks for the back and forth. It was helpful.
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I am just now in communication with PG about what proper destination to choose in the splitter drop down menu for destination. It appears that if one chooses "Audio", the stems will start populating there and below and the imported audio track will be ERASED. If one wants to keep the original audio, one should choose "Utility #1" to start the populating of the stems. Clearly this is what I am going to do. Hi Moonbeam, Thank you for posting this information from PG Music. It helps to give me some added insight into stem splitting. I'm glad that everything is working out for you. When I read you post, you really sound like you have won the battle you were having with ACW and Stem Splitting  --Noel
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