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Mind you I have sometimes been described as from another planet, and sometimes I almost wonder myself ... usually when I try to explain something and find I'd need to spend a couple of hours just explaining the context and the principles and they glaze over in two minutes. Ho Hum.
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I wear hearing aids to compensate for a loss of hearing in the higher frequencies. All good but recently i was given new aids that used moulds - large plastic inserts for my ears - that I just couldn't get on with. Imagine sticking yuor fingers in your ears and talking. However I wnt back and got thin tubes like i had on the previous aids and every thing back to normal.

As previous posters say, your audiologist will match the aids to your areas of hearing loss. So, theoretically you should have 'normal' hearing but that is difficult to quantify and define. What happened with me was that in mixing my vocals sounded muddy and i started to look for an exciter plugin. My smart speaker sounded as if it needed more treble too. Before I downloaded an exciter my aids arrived. Vocals sounded fine and smart speaker too. Hearing back to 'normal'.

How do I know my own mixes are right? Well i don't but to check i listen to loads of commercial recordings and they all sound fine so i presume my aids compensate properly for the loss, and cds sound ok. That suggests to me that I am mixing to a reasonable representation of normal hearing.

I mix on headphones, monitor speakers and by playing on the same equipment i play cds on wearing my hearing aids all the time. If the mix is ok on all of them I'm happy.

I'm not sure where you are. but in the UK, my aids are free on the NHS and there is no need to pay for expensive privateley dispensed aids. Friends have paid a fortune and get no extra benefit i can find. Not sure about where you are.

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Originally Posted by Bob Calver
I mix on headphones, monitor speakers and by playing on the same equipment i play cds on wearing my hearing aids all the time. If the mix is ok on all of them I'm happy.

I'm not sure where you are. but in the UK, my aids are free on the NHS and there is no need to pay for expensive privateley dispensed aids. Friends have paid a fortune and get no extra benefit i can find. Not sure about where you are.
Bob, it sounds like you are happy with your aids. Do you see no room at all for improvement of them?
Can you share the manufacture and model?
I'm guessing there are several here that are unhappy with theirs.


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These are by Phonak Model is Bolero 70m. They have settings for volume, induction loop and bluetooth phone connection but i never use them - i just turn them on and they start at the default setting. i get a lovely 'crispness' to my hearing and an almost imperceptible volume boost and i'm ready to go.

There is also a music setting but i never use it - just the default setting my audiologist installed. The thin trubes are a little bit fiddly - i have Parkinsons and have lost a bit of dexterity in my right hand so making sure the tube goes into my ear canal is a little hard sometimes in my right ear but dead easy in my left so i can't say that's a problem if you want to try them.

Do not have the big plastic moulds that fit your ears - they are really for masjor hearing loss issues. Mine have slim tubes size 2 medium open dome.

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Are these what you use?
https://www.phonak.com/en-uk/hearing-devices/hearing-aids/bolero-marvel

If so, I'll make a note for if/when I need a pair. I'd guess others would also be interested.

I'm just beginning to learn about this technology.
The onboard DSP must be amaizing.

PS> Sorry to hear about your Parkinson's. I have a friend who's Dr. thinks he may have it. He can't play guitar or keys anymore and recently crashed his car.
I'm sure big, motivated brains are working on that problem too.

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mine are these........https://supplieshear.co.uk/shop/hearing-aids/phonak/ric-bte/phonak-bolero-m/

mine are the 70 model which has nothing like as many bells and whistles but suit me fine

my problem with parkinsons is that i can't finger pick or strum as well as I used too - right arm and hand affected. but that might be becuase i don't practice as i'm disappointed i can't play what i used to. moral is to practice - after all Joni Mitchell relearned guitar after a stroke!

my aids are the behind the ear version

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Mine are made by Starkey. The main unit sits over the ear, and there is a thin tube to the speaker that goes into the ear canal.


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Originally Posted by Bob Calver
mine are these........https://supplieshear.co.uk/shop/hearing-aids/phonak/ric-bte/phonak-bolero-m/

mine are the 70 model which has nothing like as many bells and whistles but suit me fine

my problem with parkinsons is that i can't finger pick or strum as well as I used too - right arm and hand affected. but that might be becuase i don't practice as i'm disappointed i can't play what i used to. moral is to practice - after all Joni Mitchell relearned guitar after a stroke!

my aids are the behind the ear version

Funny coincidence, my dad taught her husband how to play guitar way back when I was little
weird how stuff happens


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… after all Joni Mitchell relearned guitar after a stroke!

Good for her. I wish that could be true for all of us.


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Originally Posted by Matt Finley
Mine are made by Starkey. The main unit sits over the ear, and there is a thin tube to the speaker that goes into the ear canal.

If you have a tube rather than a thin silicone wrapped wire leading to the speaker then you have very early generation aides - they project the sound through the tube to a dome and work very poorly. I’m assuming yours are actually wired! 😀


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Yes, correct, thanks. Mine are only two years old and indeed it's not just a hollow plastic tube, but a wrapped wire with electronics inside. I was just describing the shape in relation to the question of how earphones fit with it.


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Originally Posted by Matt Finley
Yes, correct, thanks. Mine are only two years old and indeed it's not just a hollow plastic tube, but a wrapped wire with electronics inside. I was just describing the shape in relation to the question of how earphones fit with it.

Hope I didn't sound didactic. I started with tubes and they were useless for anything upper midrange up.
I have a profound loss and am always looking for something new.
i've worn custom acrylic ear molds for years and recently switched to silicone.
They fit much tighter and for my releatively active lifestyle they work better. FWIW
Sorry for my misunderstanding.

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No, it was a good clarification. My fault for not making my post more clear.


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