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Link: Once Upon A Time In Life This song is loosely inspired by the life and death of Amy Winehouse. Outstanding singer, tragic life. It started out as a ballad that I played on my old acoustic, but soon developed into something that seems appropriate to call "a monster". Arranging and mixing nightmare. For a change, I decided to use internal rhymes wherever possible. That didn't exactly make my work any easier, but I really love this rhyme scheme. At six and a half minutes long, this is my personal kinda Bohemian Rhapsody that no one will ever listen to because: - far too long to ever be played on the radio
- too complex to sing along to
- over 1 minute until the first chorus
- goes against all current trends
The video is simple and just serves to keep you from getting bored during the song. After mixing all these tracks, I was a bit exhausted and didn't feel like investing a lot of time in a video. After all, I'm a musician (well, sort of) and not a director. Since there are only three BIAB tracks, I didn't really want to post it here, but Marty convinced me that I should. Blame him  But my question to you is: Do you think it's okay when songs started with BIAB, but most of the tracks were replaced by AI during development? Floyd made a good point somewhere that we should present songs here where BIAB was the primary tool of choice, whatever primary means, to show people why it's cool to buy BIAB. I know it's okay if BIAB is (almost) replaced by your own playing (I did it, David did it, many others did it), but I know that AI is a sensitive topic at the moment and I am aware that you can't really compare both cases. So I figured I just ask you guys. I've always been transparent about what I use for my songs, and so I am now. Both possible answers are fine with me, so you don't have to be nice to avoid upsetting me. I have a lot more pure (by whatever definition) BIAB productions in the pipeline than stuff where AI is involved, so I would just stop posting the latter here. Whaddayathink? Feedback (the good, the bad and the ugly, I'm here to learn) is, as always, highly appreciated. The usual technical information: Lyrical and ethical advisor and a shoulder to lean on when life isn't going so well: Marty Style: DROP.STY (I told you it started as a ballad) The band: Drums: Suno, me Bass: Suno, me Guitars: 650, 1000, 4213, Suno, me Orchestral stuff and synthesizers/piano: Suno, me Vocals: Suno You can find the lyrics in the next post.
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Title: Once Upon A Time In Life (Verse) She was born in a bed of thorns Raised in a place without dreams to chase A place she knew she couldn't stay Couldn't stay
(Pre-chorus) Never heard a comforting word Sang to regret, sang to forget And dreamed a dream That slipped away Slipped away
(Chorus) She sold her soul with every song Sang for a crowd, a crowd too loud A wounded heart that fell apart And couldn't find her peace of mind Her peace of mind Of mind
(Verse) Raised her voice, her only choice Each song a cry against the lie Each note a wound, a suffering sound A suffering sound
(Bridge) Angry words in broken chords Social abuse she didn’t choose Nothing to lose, but contractually bound Bound
(Pre-chorus) Never heard a comforting word Sang to regret, sang to forget And dreamed a dream That slipped away Slipped Away
(Chorus) She sold her soul with every song Sang for a crowd, a crowd too loud A wounded heart that fell apart And couldn't find her peace of mind Her peace of mind
(Bridge) Her face was on every magazine But the mirror showed someone else She no longer saw the girl from years ago At too young an age She left the final stage The final show A dying glow
(Verse) Her light was gone, the world moved on Her name still echoes all along Her legacy lost In a contract so wrong So wrong
(Bridge) Standing on a bridge so high Felt the wind, thought she could fly And never die
(Chorus) She sold her soul with every song Sang for a crowd, a crowd too loud A wounded heart that fell apart And couldn't find her peace of mind
(Outro) A wounded heart that fell apart And couldn’t find her peace of mind Her peace of mind
Last edited by B.D.Thomas; Yesterday at 02:24 PM. Reason: Lyrics added
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B.D.,
Wow! That is one EPIC production! I was with you start to finish. Powerful song and a mega-powerhouse vocal from Suno. Awesome arrangement and love the ending.
Really nice stuff!
Bob
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Cool tune, B.D. Crazy good execution of a neat concept. Easily as good as anything pro I've heard lately.
Amy left us way too soon of course. I can't listen to "Rehab" without getting weepy, which is weird but true.
I personally think that you should use whatever tools you're comfortable with in making music, whether you call it your own or not. AI is doing some AMAZING stuff with music.
That being said, I think a song that ONLY features AI has no business on a site hosted by a company in direct competition with AI on backing track production, even if the song has BiaB tracks replaced with AI. I do draw a distinction between backing tracks and vocal tracks. PGMusic doesn't really do vocal tracks, so...whatever is ok.
I may not be the best listener ever, but while I hear a lot of cool instrument tracks here, I hear little that sounds like BiaB.
Doesn't make this a bad song (quite the opposite is true!) or you a bad person or Marty's advice wrong. But you asked for opinions, and that's mine. I'll still listen to everything you post with awe and wonder...
DC Ron BiaB Audiophile Presonus Studio One ASUS I9-12900K DAW, 32 GB RAM Presonus Faderport 16 Too many guitars (is that a thing?)
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B.D. this is a frickin' fantastic mega-song! It's a great tribute song and an unbelievably good production, which sounds 100% professional. I'm not pro the modern usage of the term "awesome" as in my experience only vast panoramic views of Greet Nature fill me with true awe, but yet I found myself saying "this track IS awesome!"
The Suno vocals are 100% better than SynthV and sound 100% real. It's truly impressive.
Re AI, the only thing that puts me off it re music is that so many AI companies are being sued over copyright infringements and I'd hate it if I ever used AI and then found the AI had stolen someone else's material. While I've seen YT channels where individuals who have no musical talents at all are getting AI to 100% compose for them - and so far I've not been impressed by the results - in a case like this song it's so obviously your writing and your overall vision that's being presented and I have no issue with that. On the contrary! Also one of my favourite Neil Jung quotes is "The rules are there to be broken." I was tempted to try out Suno having seen others great work using it, and my 100% unmastered music lacks that 'polished recorded in a studio' sound, but living on a pension it's not worth paying a monthly fee for something that I wouldn't use that often. I can understand both sides of the argument re AI - also I agree that you should have posted this song here - but what really counts for me is the originality of the project and this song is clearly your vision and your creativity, regardless of what you've used. It's epic and a real achievement!
Some favourite Waoist Adages: #1: Play on the Way. #13: Ask not for whom the flower blooms, it blooms for you. #58: Bring consciousness to it. #63: On the road to effortlessness, effort must be made. #92: Be Love Now, the rest will come on its own.
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Amazing, BD!! Vocals, drums, the whole avalanche of sound just slayed me! Six plus minutes went by like nothing. This couldn't be better. Way to go!
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BD - that was/is epic and sounds professional! The style and vocal reminded me of an Aussie artist - Delta Goodrem. Excellent arranging and production, and change in dynamics in the song.
As for your AI and Showcase questions, you say you are using 3 BIAB tracks, so that satisfies the guidelines from my reading - they say to indicate which tracks you used and which are your own. I think as long as you meet the BIAB content and are transparent about other sources, that should be okay?
One thing I would like to see more of in the Showcase is examples of how the song originated in BIAB and what it became after production. I would think some songs would be very close to their origins, while others would illustrate how they morphed through production - not saying one is better than the other - just showing how BIAB was used in the initial writing and inspiration.
Anyway, this was a great final result on your part!
Andrew
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Hi BD.
This is incredibly impressive! Your music and its production are extraordinary: professional through and through. Like others above me, the 6 minutes of listening flew by. I was so caught up in the music and the lyrics that I forgot to pay attention to the video. "Absolutely brilliant" kept appearing in my mind as I listened. I loved it. And your rhyme scheme is a superb fit for the nature of the lyrics and the music. None of the words stood out as obtrusive or chosen simply because it 'rhymed'. The flow of the lyrics was perfect.
I agree with Marty. He was spot on in encouraging you to post this. I would have hated to have missed out on hearing it!
For what it's worth, the opening line of PG Music's User Showcase guidelines says, "The User Showcase is an area where users of PG Music products (e.g. Band-in-a-Box or RealBand) can post links to their original song compositions, for others to listen to and comment on."
There is no requirement that you have use Realtracks, Realdrums, MIDISupertracks, etc. If you've used any PG Music product at any point in the creation of a song, it deserves to be on this forum. For example: PG Music's Powertracks Pro Audio and Realband are DAWs, and it's possible to create songs in them entirely from material obtained either live or AI or purchased samples, etc. Such songs are just as eligible to be showcased on this forum as anything that was generated in BIAB.
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The Good: You certainly nailed the drama that was Amy Winehouse. I enjoyed it for being an unsingable, multi-layered, complex AI-driven song with one dramatic shift after another. The sound is incredible.
The Bad: Does it belong here? I don't know. I kinda like the fact that the forum is about BIAB-made tunes and wouldn't want to see it turn into something else. But that said, everyone can choose to listen to a song or not.
The Ugly: This isn't so much ugly as simply my humble opinion and personal taste (and only since you asked). I'm not surprised that you felt exhausted after mixing this. I'm exhausted after listening to it! I enjoyed my listen but I wouldn't be inclined to repeat listening. I find it over-the-top. That said, I can see a huge (much younger) audience for it.
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B.D.Thomas,
What a production! Pro sounds all the way around on this haunting beautiful piece! The orchestral backing really elevates this to a very high level! This is very good stuff!
Thanks, TB
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