Hi, B.D.

Originally Posted by B.D.Thomas
It started out as a ballad that I played on my old acoustic, but soon developed into something that seems appropriate to call "a monster".
Arranging and mixing nightmare.
I can see how that would be the case.

That said, it doesn't show in the final song. Big, huge, epic... it's all that and succeeds in every way.

Well done! (And that's without even watching the video!) smile

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But my question to you is: Do you think it's okay when songs started with BIAB, but most of the tracks were replaced by AI during development?
There's no rule that you use BiaB in the song - only that you post the BiaB tracks if it was used. The forum gives BiaB users a place to show off their work, but obviously PG Music would prefer that you showcase their tools.

The ease with which people can use AI to create songs has really changed the music world, and we'll continue to see people adapt to it. There's little negative impact on PG Music if people use their own voices, hired singers, SynthV, ACE Studio, Suno, or whatever on vocals.

This ethos is generally understood, which makes the forum is self-policing. Someone new who doesn't use BiaB will be politely told that the forum is for BiaB users. A BiaB user who regularly posts the occasional song without BiaB might get only a small amount of flack for not including BiaB, even though their well within the rules for doing so.

You'll occasionally get users who post songs that are primarily AI, but include a few BiaB elements to try to stay in the spirit of the rules.

But other than to comply with the spirit of the forum, there was no need to replace those instruments. The odds are pretty good that those AI tracks that were replaced by BiaB were as good as what they were replaced with from BiaB, because they were customized to that particular song.

So this is where the line is for me personally:
  • If the song uses BiaB organically, it makes sense to post it here, because it shows what can be done with BiaB.
  • If the song has no BiaB, but is primarily me singing or something, I'll post it here to share with the community.


Fortunately, there are plenty of other places where you can post your songs for comment and review.

I think that as time goes along, PG Music will either let the forum decide via self-policing, or eventually make an executive decision.

-- David Cuny

My virtual singer development blog
Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

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