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Hi, Marty. HA! Just as I was reading how you didn't use Maj7th chords I heard one. I should have written "I tried to avoid Major 7th chords".  Yeah, I felt free to skip The Story, but knew I'd enjoy it. It also had me play this cool song 3 times while reading. Man, David, we could talk for hours and hours about all this. We not only have the RhymeZone in common, but most everything you write about. It's funny - all of us are doing the same thing. Most of us are mostly invisible about it. Okay, the 4th listen was not distracted by The Story... Man, there is some great changes going on in there. Thanks! I posted an explanation of what I was trying to do with the changes a couple of posts back. What an incredible job, first in picking the band, and even more amazing was in the mix. So much going on, but nothing goes on unnoticed.  I've got to confess - the BiaB style did most of the work here. That's the real magic. Thanks for listening and commenting!
-- David Cuny My virtual singer development blogVocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?BiaB 2025 | Windows 11 | Reaper | Way too many VSTis.
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Hi, floyd jane. I enjoyed reading your thoughts concerning the write.
I like that you think long and hard about your choices. Probably a bit too long. Lovely vocals and harmonies. Thanks! I really liked how I was able to get Amara to phrase the vocals. I'd lay down the scratch track with nothing but "la"s to make sure it was a good register for her. But when the lyrics were added, I'd tweak it again, to make sure it sounded natural and the words were intelligible. If it were a different SynthV voice, the melody would have ended up different. I really like the piano and mandola. That's why I picked the style. No credit to me on that one. The drums choice is interesting. (Interesting is an interesting word, don;t you think?) Hehehe. Yes, it's an "interesting" word. I picked the drums because I figured the person who made the style was more "hip" to contemporary sound than me. It looks like my ears need to be schooled in the more "modern" sound, because you're not the first one who made the observation. There are also issues with the bass, but since people were kind enough not to mention the anemic sound of the bass, I thought perhaps I'd be able to let that slide as well.  I appreciate the honest criticism.  I ALWAYS enjoy your songs/productions/musings...
I think I've listened 5 times now... Thanks! That's high praise. 
-- David Cuny My virtual singer development blogVocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?BiaB 2025 | Windows 11 | Reaper | Way too many VSTis.
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Hi, Misha. Wow, what a detailed song summary! Ha! I figured if I suffered while making this, then you should suffer while reading about it. Although this wasn't the longest it's taken me to come up with lyrics. I recall burning a backing track and listening to it in my car every day for about three weeks before something finally clicked. Super chord progression here. Good balance between acoustic / electronic instruments. Clear mix and listens well. Thanks! I believe you might want to consider d-esser on main vocals. I've considered that, but I thought it was part of her vocal style. It's a bit more /sh/ than /s/ in places. But I'll have a look at it. Normally, I'll just reduce the amplitude using automation instead of using a de-esser, as it gives more control over the result. Maybe second harmony vocals slightly lower. On the second verse? I'll have another listen, thanks! Thanks for listening, and all your helpful feedback!
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Well worth the read & listen.
Super work with the synth vox but the whole package is excellent.
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David,
I had to laugh ... 'Nothing's Changed (Updated)'. It clearly has!
I love the new bass and drums - and that mandola closing out with movement left and right. Really good. BTW - thanks for the chord progressions in your previous post.
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I like the title Nice lyrics, bit sad, but the conclusion is set nicely in "if we both try..." Cool chord progression and intriguing melody, very original feel, like written by a very experienced guy who has been making hits for decades Nice sounding lead vocalist, but there's something in those backing vocals that feels bit annoying, Felicia's tone perhaps? Nice band, I liked the mandola intro and the effected outro. The drum sound fits well with the pop mood. Professional sounding mix, doesn't feel crowded and gives space to the singer. BTW. You have used name Amara, Arama and Amaya (SoundCloud) for the vocalist... On Dreamtonics page, there are Amara and Ayame, bit confusing Janne
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Hi,David,
Interesting changes and a good write.
I really enjoy your attention to detail! Both with the track and the vocals, so many subtle things going on. That combined with a good mix makes for a great headphone listen.
Listened a couple of times, good stuff!
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Excellent tune David. Boy you mastered the vocaloid. Makes the song such a cool listen. Well done
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Hi, Ray. Well worth the read & listen. Thanks! Super work with the synth vox but the whole package is excellent. I appreciate that. Amara was a fun voice to work with. I was just happy when it finally came together. There were times I had some serious doubts about it getting off the ground.
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Hi, Andrew. I had to laugh ... 'Nothing's Changed (Updated)'. It clearly has! Yep, and I kept making changes after that! I love the new bass and drums - and that mandola closing out with movement left and right. Really good. BTW - thanks for the chord progressions in your previous post. Thanks! I hope you find something useful in them. And thanks for stopping to listen and comment.
-- David Cuny My virtual singer development blogVocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?BiaB 2025 | Windows 11 | Reaper | Way too many VSTis.
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Hi, Janne. I like the title Nice lyrics, bit sad, but the conclusion is set nicely in "if we both try..." Thanks - I'm glad that worked for you. Cool chord progression and intriguing melody, very original feel, like written by a very experienced guy who has been making hits for decades I wish! Nice sounding lead vocalist, but there's something in those backing vocals that feels bit annoying, Felicia's tone perhaps? It's likely the high harmony part that you find grating. Felicia is on the vocal, and it's a bit aggressive, and it's set high in her register. I should probably dial her back a bit at some point. Nice band, I liked the mandola intro and the effected outro. The drum sound fits well with the pop mood. Professional sounding mix, doesn't feel crowded and gives space to the singer. Thanks! BTW. You have used name Amara, Arama and Amaya (SoundCloud) for the vocalist... On Dreamtonics page, there are Amara and Ayame, bit confusing Yeah, names aren't my strong point. It should be Amara, thanks!
-- David Cuny My virtual singer development blogVocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?BiaB 2025 | Windows 11 | Reaper | Way too many VSTis.
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Hi, Dave. Interesting changes and a good write. Thanks! I really enjoy your attention to detail! Both with the track and the vocals, so many subtle things going on. That combined with a good mix makes for a great headphone listen. I've got to give credit to floyd jane for pushing me to make this better. I thought I was done, and he gently suggested it needed some more work. Of course, he was right. Thanks for stopping and commenting, I appreciate it.
-- David Cuny My virtual singer development blogVocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?BiaB 2025 | Windows 11 | Reaper | Way too many VSTis.
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I'm curious how you realized you had copied the indigo girls. No, on second thought, nope, I don't.
Your songs are quite an undertaking and I really enjoy your story as much as the music, which, incidentally, was good.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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Hi, Scott. Excellent tune David. Boy you mastered the vocaloid. Makes the song such a cool listen. Well done Thanks! If there's a trick to using SynthV, I think it's to write songs to the strengths of the voices. It's a lot easier to have them sing songs they can sing, instead of trying to force them to sing something they can't. And if they can't... it's easy enough to change things. The nice thing is they don't complain when you decide - yet again - to make some minor change to the vocals. Thanks for listening and commenting!
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Hi, Herb. I'm curious how you realized you had copied the indigo girls. No, on second thought, nope, I don't. Ha! As I mentioned, I changed the lyric while doing the writeup for this thread. The prior line felt a little clunky, so I made the change, re-rendered the song, uploaded it, and changed the lyrics in the writeup. Later the next day, I was still trying to re-work the lyrics (which is easy when you've got an AI vocalist) when it struck me. Funnily enough, neither of my daughters noticed it. And The Indigo Girls get a lot of play in our house, so they should have caught it. Your songs are quite an undertaking and I really enjoy your story as much as the music, which, incidentally, was good. Thanks! I used to have a guitar book by Tommy Tedesco. He had a bunch of neat stories in it, because he figured most of the people wouldn't end up doing the guitar exercises, so he may as have amusing stories so they felt like they got their money's worth. Thanks for listening and commenting!
-- David Cuny My virtual singer development blogVocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?BiaB 2025 | Windows 11 | Reaper | Way too many VSTis.
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Hi David.
What a fantastic song! I love what you've done. The lyrics and melody are great and the production is brilliant. Your use of Synth V is excellent. It seems to me that your creativity was most surely firing on all cylinders when you put this song and its production together.
I enjoyed my listen a lot.
--Noel
P.S. Thanks for the detailed insight into what you did and how it was achieved.
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David,
Great production! Very pleasant song.
As always, it's a very elaborate production and I was impressed.
The instrument selection is excellent and the effects are exquisite.
I imagine it must have taken a lot of time.
I would like to emulate that kind of effort.
Enjoyed my listen a lot.
Best regards.
Shigeki Adachi
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Hi david,
So, what's not to like about this one? Just one thing - I didn't write it. Dang!!!
I found the chord pattern to be very pleasing. You know, I'm pretty sure, that I play around a lot with chords and chord patterns. This was a delight in that regard and excellent in all regards.
I don't have an elaborate system. I hear something in my head and go straight to the chord input sheet. Chords come to me pretty quickly and easily. I then finish the song by filling out the melody I hear in my mind as the chord pattern plays. As I listen to the demo of the song that BIAB creates, I start imagining what instruments would fulfill what my mind is hearing. That's about it. Not fancy, but it seems to work - just like my recording process. Now lyrics don't come as quickly or as easily in most cases. Di was just the opposite - she wrote the entire lyrics to two songs in one 30-minute session using a tablet and a pen. We only changed three words - two in one song and one in the other. They were two of our very best songs!
Sorry, I got a little off-track with that diatribe. Your process is very intricate and well thought out. I'd probably go crazy trying that! I once told Di, "You're driving me crazy!" Her reply was, "Talk about a short drive!". Ha!
Your music always showcases the effort and skill you put into it. I always enjoy y\our work and your efforts. i really like the percussive elements of this one.
Nice stuff!
Alan
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Hi David,
Well, I'm impressed with everything you did to create this song. What a story!
And then I listened to your song four times. Not to even begin to appreciate your efforts, but because there's so much going on in the song, that I like.
The mandolin really stood out sonically!
The vocals were very good, although I agree with Janne (and others) that more differentiation in the vocals (lead and backing) could have been more exciting.
And since you're such a whiz at working with AI vocals, you could easily have tried that ;-)
And by the way, a nice rhyme for "Fire" could have been "Desire." Bob Dylan knows all about that...
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Hi, Noel. What a fantastic song! I love what you've done. The lyrics and melody are great and the production is brilliant. Your use of Synth V is excellent. It seems to me that your creativity was most surely firing on all cylinders when you put this song and its production together. Thanks! Although I should say that what "creativity most surely firing on all cylinders" often feels like panic and despair. It seems that despite typically coming out with something, I've got trouble trusting the process. I suspect that subliminally I'm wishing the song is going to turn out a different way, so I keep fighting it. When I finally stop being a whiny baby, sit down and do the hard work, something eventually happens. But once the lyrics are done, if the song feels coherent, it starts being fun again because I can put on my Producer hat and go through all the libraries I spent good money on and try to figure out how to justify the purchases by using them in the song. I appreciate your positive comments!
-- David Cuny My virtual singer development blogVocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?BiaB 2025 | Windows 11 | Reaper | Way too many VSTis.
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- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
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