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BIAB covers the drums, lead guitar & gospel vox.
Marty & Misha provided great ears, mix and structure advice.
Misha also ran the piano midi through a far better set of VIs.
Thanks fellows.

Mastered by Fran as usual.

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Piano - Kontak Grandeur & Noir Felt- provided by Misha
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Bass DI (used Melodyne to create a slide in one spot), vocals AT2020 & guitars, (through a Yamaha FX900), are my fault.

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Did you serve your apprenticeship with Pink Floyd, Ray? Very reminiscent of PF. Very topical and worthy subject matter, and done in a thought provoking way without stepping on anyone’s feelings. I have an upcoming song that, in part, is topical but I’ve dumbed it down a bit as I know the topic polarises people, especially in the US. But you’ve produced a song that has mood and reflects the subject appropriately. Loved the solo guitar, works really well. Great job.

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Ray,

Excellent song...

One of your best vocals. The mix & production here is also outstanding - so many textures, layers and overall just a beautifully executed piece of music.

Bob

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I'm almost speechless...but that I want to let you know how incredible that listen (and video) was. You made great use of forum resources (and Marty & Misha made excellent contributions). The phrases you chose to reiterate, well selected. I wonder if you've ever heard Nordic Giants? They use speeches from Martin Luther King Jr and other wise folks like Alan Watts in their songs. It's a great way to get people thinking. Applause all around.

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Very much a Floyd vibe happening with this one, and that works for me smile

Quite the project, Ray, a great listen. Excellent work on the video too!

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Well done Ray. Very thought provoking, and a piece that almost couldn’t exist without the video. Some of the chord moves created an empty desolate feeling to my ear, and well illustrated the message. That solo guitar sounded like it was weeping at one point. The sparseness of the vocals allows the music and video time to speak.
Why have we not learned?
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As a Pink Floyd fan, this is right up my alley: great lyrics and vocals (your best yet), a dark mood, and even darker images.
Great work by everyone involved.

BTW, Native Instruments' Noir Felt Piano is my go-to for dark and atmospheric songs - gone are the days of spending endless hours trying to create that specific sound with a "normal" piano.

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Yeah, Beth said it... SPEECHLESS. Ray, you know I've heard this beauty as it blossomed (and thanks so much for that), but WOW what a final result. Fantastic, my friend. Yes, I appreciated the drastic difference after Misha got involved with that piano. Pink Floyd comparisons aside, this song stands alone in a incomparable niche that requires worldwide views. Excellent job on the video, too. Dang powerful stuff.


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Very reminiscent of Pink Floyd (as I've just seen others have said); great song theme, plus it's good to hear someone doing a song that's longer than any of mine! laugh My only criticism is as before: I want to be able to hear what's being sung, particularly as the lyrics I could hear are really excellent. Great video, too.


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Ray, epic. Ambitiously visioned, exquisitely executed. Such a cool vibe, and sustained (what sounds like) effortlessly across a long form. Nice outro wraps it all up neatly indeed. All this and a message. Hats off, sir.


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Ray,

This is quite a musical endeavor. I think it's the best song you've posted on the forum. It's topical and has the perfect message.

Just about everything that crossed my mind has already been said. I never listened to Pnk Floyd very much, so I can't comment on those comments.

Congrats on an excellent production - excellent in all respects. I particularly like the solo piano ending.

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Originally Posted by Knee Wobbler
Did you serve your apprenticeship with Pink Floyd, Ray? Very reminiscent of PF. Very topical and worthy subject matter, and done in a thought provoking way without stepping on anyone’s feelings. I have an upcoming song that, in part, is topical but I’ve dumbed it down a bit as I know the topic polarises people, especially in the US. But you’ve produced a song that has mood and reflects the subject appropriately. Loved the solo guitar, works really well. Great job.

Kind regards
Thanks Wobbs,
I quite like the non twee stuff on their 1st album, Meddle & DSOTM but not too much beyond that. Mind you I'm very old so have had osmosis tweak my DNA.
Yes, I'm perfectly capable of loud, splenetic exhortations but know that with these matters at hand winning over is better than bludgeoning so I've opted for the soft gloved hand.


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Originally Posted by rsdean
Ray,
Excellent song...
One of your best vocals. The mix & production here is also outstanding - so many textures, layers and overall just a beautifully executed piece of music.
Bob
Ta Bob,
I took a presented opportunity & "sang" a little louder - makes all the difference.
I had written full verses but it was all polemic and bad poetry so I opted to save the one line that worked and steal the voice of others.


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Originally Posted by BYOBand
I'm almost speechless...but that I want to let you know how incredible that listen (and video) was. You made great use of forum resources (and Marty & Misha made excellent contributions). The phrases you chose to reiterate, well selected. I wonder if you've ever heard Nordic Giants? They use speeches from Martin Luther King Jr and other wise folks like Alan Watts in their songs. It's a great way to get people thinking. Applause all around.
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I'll look into Nordic Giants - thank you - I LOVE finding "new" music. Marty & Misha are past & future collaborators so I was comfortable asking their advise and accepting their help.


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Originally Posted by BlueAttitude
Very much a Floyd vibe happening with this one, and that works for me smile
Quite the project, Ray, a great listen. Excellent work on the video too!
Thanks,
The vibe comes from the tempo & a few RTs that set me along a path.


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Originally Posted by Andrew Dee
Well done Ray. Very thought provoking, and a piece that almost couldn’t exist without the video. Some of the chord moves created an empty desolate feeling to my ear, and well illustrated the message. That solo guitar sounded like it was weeping at one point. The sparseness of the vocals allows the music and video time to speak.
Why have we not learned?
Andrew
Ta Drew,
the piece did exist without the video ... luckily I located video clips that matched well and decided to fill in the gaps/make the case more fully with them. I finally had a chance to listen, uninterrupted to the mastered audio and it hangs together just enough to make me pleased I finished it.


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Originally Posted by B.D.Thomas
As a Pink Floyd fan, this is right up my alley: great lyrics and vocals (your best yet), a dark mood, and even darker images.
Great work by everyone involved.
BTW, Native Instruments' Noir Felt Piano is my go-to for dark and atmospheric songs - gone are the days of spending endless hours trying to create that specific sound with a "normal" piano.
Thanks B.D.,
It started life as me trying to get a better grip on piano roll midi writing then unpleasant reality took over.


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Originally Posted by BabuMusic
Yeah, Beth said it... SPEECHLESS. Ray, you know I've heard this beauty as it blossomed (and thanks so much for that), but WOW what a final result. Fantastic, my friend. Yes, I appreciated the drastic difference after Misha got involved with that piano. Pink Floyd comparisons aside, this song stands alone in a incomparable niche that requires worldwide views. Excellent job on the video, too. Dang powerful stuff.
THANK YOU Marty,
M & M made this song happen both with advice and encouragement.


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Originally Posted by WaoBand
Very reminiscent of Pink Floyd (as I've just seen others have said); great song theme, plus it's good to hear someone doing a song that's longer than any of mine! laugh My only criticism is as before: I want to be able to hear what's being sung, particularly as the lyrics I could hear are really excellent. Great video, too.
Thanks Wao,
Length is always an issue for me - I don't end a song until the story's told so, sometimes, it can become a marathon.
There aren't many words in this song - just the choruses and one line per verse. In terms of level this is the loudest I've placed my voice i a mix - uncomfortably so but M & M made it happen. This is the 2nd of my tunes where you've expressed concern over the vocal level. BOTH are louder than usual. I'm beginning to wonder about perception.


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Originally Posted by DC Ron
Ray, epic. Ambitiously visioned, exquisitely executed. Such a cool vibe, and sustained (what sounds like) effortlessly across a long form. Nice outro wraps it all up neatly indeed. All this and a message. Hats off, sir.
Long form indeed...
I'm pleased you like the outro - I figured, early on, that some relief would be required after such an unpleasant journey.
THANKS.


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