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David, wow, this is REALLY nice! Super write, and the arrangement is perfect. Amazing vocals that remind me of a modern take on David Gates. Very impressive. Those harmonies are sweet as well. Think in the future I'll delay reading your longer narrative until after listening to the song for the first time. I LOVE reading about your process, but I can sense my subsequent listens are somewhat distracted by knowledge of what the Wizard was doing behind the curtain. And you are ONE BUSY WIZARD. But a Wizard indeed.  We're not in Kansas any more...
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David, I completely enjoyed this, both as a passive listener and as an analytic listener. It is so complete, compared to my work where I seem to just get the basic skeletal structure "out there", your work is so thoroughly thought through (th-th-th!), and the result shows. Your mastery of the components is way beyond my comprehension or skill level, and I always take something away. I find your postings are like taking a composition/mixing/production course--much to dig into. I have to say that the one thing that I liked best was the short-stopping of the words "undone", "small", and "sad"--I think no one would have any problem if you drew out these words at the end of lines, but cutting them off as you did is pleasing and attention-grabbing (to my ears). excellence once again! Thanks for sharing your work!
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The intro has serious classic Glenn Campbell vibes.
Very cool strings.
Nice essay too.
Well done - excellent mix.
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Hi, Andrew. I like where the song picks up intensity in the choruses, and to my ears, the peak was in ‘rabbit on the run / life has come undone’ sections - not lyrically (although I didn’t mind the words) but musically. I'm glad that worked for you! I thought I heard a line cliche or two in the song, which always attracts me. Yes, you did. You've got good ears! I didn't mention it in the writeup, because I couldn't remember what they were called.  I've got a "To Do" list of things to try out in songs, and that was on the list. It made sense to use it here, because it works well with ballads. It's something along the lines of G Gmaj7 G6 Gadd2 D Dmaj7 D7. Line cliches work well on the guitar and keyboard, but don't always translate well to BiaB, but I think it worked nicely in this case. Lyrically, I find songs that have a ‘woe is me’ theme to be emotionally tiring - don’t get me wrong - I am not critiquing your lyrics, but my reaction to these types of songs. I think that’s because I have to fight my own negativity and pessimism. It made think … what does his former other think of this situation? Interesting if there was ever a ‘their side of the story’ response song e.g. I had to escape because you were too clingy and stifling. Yeah, I tried to touch on that in the writeup. That's the thought I had when working on the second verse. If someone doesn't want to be around you, it sucks, but as my daughter would say - that's a you problem. I deleted a long anecdote, but the punch line was having to explain to someone that, yes, I understood he missed my wife. But didn't he think that was a weird thing to be telling her husband? And no, she wasn't ever going to talk to him again. Thank you for the write-up of your process - I find it interesting/enlightening to hear of the songs development through arrangement - the ideas that are inspired by the recording and arranging process. I don’t know where you find the patience for it - what seems like a lengthy process. I guess it’s about quality and the learning experience. I figure if I suffered for my art, you need also need to.  I also thought while listening - acknowledging I have listened to very little, and never used, AI vocals - the North American accent and vocal stylings - what it would do to the song with a McCartney-esque or UK styled vocal? First, some clarification on SynthV. A voice provider is basically given a "script" of words to sing at different pitches. English has a lot of phonemes, so there are lots and lots of words to sing. The original version of SynthV didn't use AI at all, it just reassembled the voice similar to how BiaB works. Later, they trained a neural network because it was better at connecting all these phonemes. The accent of the voice provider will come through. Here's an example: https://soundcloud.com/dcuny/ive-been-downAnd yes, there are a number of mis-pronounced words. There's no way to remove that accent from that voice provider. Most of the English voice providers for SynthV have been North American, so there aren't really many UK voices. With some effort, I do some substitutions and edits and try to approximate a Liverpool accent, but it would sound very much like an American trying to do a (poor) British accent. There are other ways to go about this. For example, RVC is the process of training a neural network on a specific voice, so it will take an input voice and replace it with the timbre of another voice. That will get you somewhat in the ballpark, but the original singer should optimally have something close to that accent in the first place. I suspect that eventually there will be more UK-flavored voices for SynthV. I have ACE Studio (but the voices are IMO, not great), and none of the voices sound British to me. I just loaded the MIDI output of this song onto ACE Studio, and verified the voices aren't great. They aren't terrible, they just seem to be missing phonemes and not sound especially realistic. They're pleasant enough to listen to, though. I can't speak to programs like Suno, though. And given your own interest in AI vocals, do you have any views or insights into how a song is changed by the AI vocal selected! I would think a lot if we say that a vocal is an instrument and the effect would be tantamount to change of solo instrument in an instrumental. I very much write songs to a specific voice. And each voice comes with different "modes", like "whisper", "sweet", "chest", and so on. You can easily change singers, but each voice has its own character, so it may not translate well. And you sort of hear an "attitude" that matches the voice, which helps in the songwriting process. Anyhow, a good song and I listened three times. Thanks! Let me know if you've got any other questions.
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Hi, Herb. That has a cool Seals & Croft kind of sound. Thanks! Like it or not, I think 70's is my wheelhouse. That is a really cool bass track. Glad you could hear it in the mix. As a basic piano player, so I'll typically look at a chart and see if there's something interesting I can do with the bass line to make it more interesting. That typically means figuring out nice stepwise movement. That carries over to songwriting, since it's an easy way make something sound more interesting without having to work out complicated chords. And the bass player has some nice bits that come through the mix. I was tempted to boost them so the were more obvious, but it wasn't necessary. The vocals could have stood to be a bit more front and center. ( A few dB louder ) I'll give it some thought. I tend to make vocals a bit too hot, so I'm trying to be conservative. I really enjoyed reading your long version explanation of the details. I'm glad you liked it. And yes... Suno as well as others will give a fairly nice cover version as well as the vocal track you give it. I've got mixed feelings about Suno, but there's no denying that the output can be very good. I'm curious how in the world you managed to get Floyd Jane to work on an AI song with you. As badly as he likes to talk s*** about AI and bots, who'd-a-thunk-it! Kudos on however you did it. He might get pulled into the dark side yet. Nahhh, probably not. There's no chance that he'll go to the dark side. You're right - the AI vocals do grate on him. There are little "tells" that once you hear, you can't un-hear. Suno's modern country vocals are starting to effect me that way: overly compressed and glassy with something I can't quite put my finger on. They've very good, but they're so slick that my brain stops listening. The real question is, what will AI eventually do to this forum? Time will tell. Also note that these aren't really "AI" vocals in the sense that most people mean it. It's really a neural network trained on concatenative synthesis data. Suno is a different animal entirely. But it's still hard on floyd jane's ears, so I'm glad he was able to look past it. Good song. And a lot of work. Thanks! I appreciate you stopping to listen and comment!
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David, what an outstanding song. The chord progression and arrangement was brilliant. You made those synth voices sound so real - brilliant work. IMHO this is one of your best.
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Hi, Ron. David, wow, this is REALLY nice! Super write, and the arrangement is perfect. Amazing vocals that remind me of a modern take on David Gates. Very impressive. Those harmonies are sweet as well. Thanks! I remember hearing the demo song for An Xiao and being impressed by the voice. But the cross-synthesis wasn't great, and he had too much of an accent for me to use as a lead voice. They've fixed most of the issues with the latest release, although some of the /d/ sounds are still a bit "thick", and I was pleasantly surprised by his voice. Of course, it helps that I use the voice when working out the melody, which ensures that the vocal range is good and the timbre fits. Gates (and Bread) was a monster on the charts back in the day. And a huge influence. Turns out that he bought a cattle ranch. Who'd have thunk?  Think in the future I'll delay reading your longer narrative until after listening to the song for the first time. I LOVE reading about your process, but I can sense my subsequent listens are somewhat distracted by knowledge of what the Wizard was doing behind the curtain. And you are ONE BUSY WIZARD. But a Wizard indeed. One of the things Sunu showed me was that there are a lot of ways to arrange a song. If it's got a nice melody, it'll be fine no matter what you do. Heck, just vocals and guitar or piano will work. All this is really just window dressing that hopefully stays out of the way of the vocals. Thanks for listening and commenting!
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David, I completely enjoyed this, both as a passive listener and as an analytic listener. It is so complete, compared to my work where I seem to just get the basic skeletal structure "out there", your work is so thoroughly thought through (th-th-th!), and the result shows. I'm glad you enjoyed it. That's what this is all about. Nice alliteration! Your mastery of the components is way beyond my comprehension or skill level, and I always take something away. It's not really mastery - I'm learning like everyone else. For everything that I get right, there are also lots misses. But that's the way we get better, right? I'm glad you can find something useful in all this. I certainly do when listening to other people's songs. I find your postings are like taking a composition/mixing/production course--much to dig into. I have to say that the one thing that I liked best was the short-stopping of the words "undone", "small", and "sad"--I think no one would have any problem if you drew out these words at the end of lines, but cutting them off as you did is pleasing and attention-grabbing (to my ears). excellence once again! Thanks for sharing your work! Thanks for noticing that! I started with a lot less syncopation and staccato, but added it in to give some rhythmic interest (as well as a touch of onomatopoeia), and then dialed it back again. It's super helpful to be able to play with phrasing of lines to see what works. Thanks for listening and your kind words!
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Hi, Ray. The intro has serious classic Glenn Campbell vibes. Thanks! You can't get better than that. I think one of the motivations for doing this goes back to all those great songs I heard, and thinking I'd love to do that!George Martin's orchestration for The Beatles and America certainly left a strong impression on me. I'm glad you enjoyed it! Well done - excellent mix. Thanks! I've been going back to prior songs, trying to figure out why some mixes work, and others don't. While it's very tempting to think that it's being able to EQ and the plug-ins, I suspect that it's mostly about having less instruments in the mix, and making sure they respect the other instruments space. Thanks for listening and the positive feedback!
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Hi, Mario. David, what an outstanding song. Thanks! The chord progression and arrangement was brilliant. I owe it all to the circle of fifths. You made those synth voices sound so real - brilliant work. I suspect it's mostly a matter of not trying to get them to do things they can't do well. As long as they don't detract from showing off the song, they're working. My sister refuses to listen to my songs because she can't stand the synth vocalists. I can't say I blame her. At some point, I'm going to need to start singing myself. I thought it was going to be this one, which is one of the reasons I kept the vocal range so restrained. But I bailed again. Next time, for sure maybe. IMHO this is one of your best.
Loved it. Thanks!  PS - thanx for the song creation details. Thank you for listening and your comments!
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David,
Really nice song you got going on here!
It has a very '70s type nostalgic fun feel to it.
Sounds like it could be the theme song on a 70 sitcom like WKRP in Cincinnati or something.
I really liked it.
Very soothing.
That song description you have is quite detailed to say the very least my friend.
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Hi, Ron. David, wow, this is REALLY nice! Super write, and the arrangement is perfect. Amazing vocals that remind me of a modern take on David Gates. Very impressive. Those harmonies are sweet as well. Thanks! I remember hearing the demo song for An Xiao and being impressed by the voice. But the cross-synthesis wasn't great, and he had too much of an accent for me to use as a lead voice. They've fixed most of the issues with the latest release, although some of the /d/ sounds are still a bit "thick", and I was pleasantly surprised by his voice. Of course, it helps that I use the voice when working out the melody, which ensures that the vocal range is good and the timbre fits. Gates (and Bread) was a monster on the charts back in the day. And a huge influence. Turns out that he bought a cattle ranch. Who'd have thunk? Think in the future I'll delay reading your longer narrative until after listening to the song for the first time. I LOVE reading about your process, but I can sense my subsequent listens are somewhat distracted by knowledge of what the Wizard was doing behind the curtain. And you are ONE BUSY WIZARD. But a Wizard indeed. One of the things Sunu showed me was that there are a lot of ways to arrange a song. If it's got a nice melody, it'll be fine no matter what you do. Heck, just vocals and guitar or piano will work. All this is really just window dressing that hopefully stays out of the way of the vocals. Thanks for listening and commenting! David, sorry for the second input, BUT... Yeah, I spent WAY too many hours in the upper bunk of my dorm room learning the guitar parts to Best of Bread my freshman year. Should have spent more time on calculus. But then again, I've forgotten all my calculus and I still know Best of Bread inside out. Absolutely agree with your "if it's got a nice melody" approach to songwriting. I'm there 110%. Lastly, reviewing your other replies, I'm SO thankful to know I'm not the only one who can still hear the tells in AI (and most other synthesized) vocals. Know this will change in time as the technology gets better and my listening gets less discerning. But for now, I'm like you in that I focus on other parts of the music once I hear the tells. Don't get me wrong, think non-human vocals of ALL types are about to really take off. Will make me a little sad though, when vocalists better than me (not so hard!) choose to go that way. I'll miss the human aspect of it, even when I can't tell whether it's human. Weird, huh?
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Hi, David. Really nice song you got going on here!
It has a very '70s type nostalgic fun feel to it.
Sounds like it could be the theme song on a 70 sitcom like WKRP in Cincinnati or something. Are you sure you aren't confusing it with this one? Because that's the one I'd submit for a sitcom. Thanks! That song description you have is quite detailed to say the very least my friend. Yeah, I must be compensating for something...  Thanks for the kind words!
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Hi, Ron. David, sorry for the second input, BUT... Who says we can't have a conversation? Yeah, I spent WAY too many hours in the upper bunk of my dorm room learning the guitar parts to Best of Bread my freshman year. Should have spent more time on calculus. But then again, I've forgotten all my calculus and I still know Best of Bread inside out. You should have spent more time on calculus because... how many times a day do you encounter a function and think if only I had a well formulated system to approximate the area under this curve, or If only I had some means of a calculating the a vector of my changing velocity. Absolutely agree with your "if it's got a nice melody" approach to songwriting. I'm there 110%. It's easy for me to spend a lot of time dressing something up instead of going back and fixing what needs to be repaired. That's why appreciate feedback. Lastly, reviewing your other replies, I'm SO thankful to know I'm not the only one who can still hear the tells in AI (and most other synthesized) vocals. The genie isn't going back into the bottle, but I won't be surprised if people starting pushing back on this forum about the use of AI in music. We'll see.
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... First, some clarification on SynthV. A voice provider is basically given a "script" of words to sing at different pitches. English has a lot of phonemes, so there are lots and lots of words to sing. The original version of SynthV didn't use AI at all, it just reassembled the voice similar to how BiaB works. Later, they trained a neural network because it was better at connecting all these phonemes. The accent of the voice provider will come through. Here's an example: https://soundcloud.com/dcuny/ive-been-downAnd yes, there are a number of mis-pronounced words. There's no way to remove that accent from that voice provider. Most of the English voice providers for SynthV have been North American, so there aren't really many UK voices. With some effort, I do some substitutions and edits and try to approximate a Liverpool accent, but it would sound very much like an American trying to do a (poor) British accent. There are other ways to go about this. For example, RVC is the process of training a neural network on a specific voice, so it will take an input voice and replace it with the timbre of another voice. That will get you somewhat in the ballpark, but the original singer should optimally have something close to that accent in the first place. I suspect that eventually there will be more UK-flavored voices for SynthV. I have ACE Studio (but the voices are IMO, not great), and none of the voices sound British to me. I just loaded the MIDI output of this song onto ACE Studio, and verified the voices aren't great. They aren't terrible, they just seem to be missing phonemes and not sound especially realistic. They're pleasant enough to listen to, though. Thanks David for all the info on AI vocals and responding to my points. I've never used AI vocals and probably won't at this juncture, but I need to 'do my research'. This has been really interesting. BTW - I LOVE that song 'I've been down' - full of quirky energy! I don't think I detected any maj7 chords though! Andrew
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Super job on the Strings! Lovely opening.
(less movement in the first chorus, maybe??...)
LOVE what you do with the oboe.
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Excellent mix.
(nice stops/holds)
It's great that you think about all aspects of music creation.
And that you put so much of yourself in the mix (pun intended)
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This is great imagery: “the days grow short and i am helpless as a rabbit on the run my world is small and sad i'm the lonely one” The new synth vocals have an excellent blend. The sound reminds Janice of the band Bread especially. And also of some other soft rock bands she listened to in the 70’s. We love the back story! It’s hard to imagine putting that much effort into a production. Bud always says “mixing is never finished … just abandoned.” He also said you might be the exception to that. But the bottom line is it sounds great on the monitors. And one look at the waveform before hitting play told us what we would hear. An open mix with great dynamics setting up a fine soundstage. And it was. Your contemplation and DAW effort assuredly paid off big time Enjoyed it! J&B
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Really nice song David. Some one mentioned Al Stewart-esque, I was getting more of an Andy Gibb vibe, either way it’s a great song.
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Excellent song David - jealous of your strings, fabulous mix,
enjoyed it and no 'throw away' song, very nicely done!!
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Hi, floyd jane. Super job on the Strings! Lovely opening.
(less movement in the first chorus, maybe??...) Thanks! I'm probably too attached to all that staccato cello in the chorus to do it properly, but if I'm tempted to make any more changes to the strings, I'll see if I can hold them back a bit. LOVE what you do with the oboe. Hehehe. You mean the "now with 75% less oboe?" Thanks for the tip. Now I'm listening to the oboe and thinking "maybe I should take out a couple more notes". The Builds are COOL, cool, cool...
Excellent mix.
(nice stops/holds) I'm glad they are finally working. Without the BiaB drum holds, they work a lot better. It's great that you think about all aspects of music creation.
And that you put so much of yourself in the mix (pun intended) I really appreciate all the help with this - to literally get a bit less of me in the final result. Thanks again!
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Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac is here and it is packed with major new features! There’s a new modern look, a GUI redesign to all areas of the program including toolbars, windows, workflow and more. There’s a Multi-view layout for organizing multiple windows. A standout addition is the powerful AI-Notes feature, which uses AI neural-net technology to transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI—entire mixes or individual instruments—making it easy to study, view, and play parts from any song. And that’s just the beginning—there are over 100 new features in this exciting release.
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Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac and save up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special offer—available until May 15, 2026. Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page to explore all available upgrade options.
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49.
Holiday Weekend Hours
As we hop into the Easter weekend, here are our holiday hours:
April 3 (Good Friday): 8:00 AM – 4:00 PM PDT
April 4 (Saturday): Closed
April 5 (Easter Sunday): Closed
April 6 (Easter Monday): Open regular hours
Wishing you an egg-cellent weekend!
— Team PG
Update to Build 10 of RealBand® 2026 for Windows®!
If you're already using RealBand 2026 for Windows, download build 10 to get all the latest additions and enhancements.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® users: Build 904 now available!
If you're already using Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, make sure to grab the latest update! Build 904 is now available for download and includes the newest additions and enhancements from our team.
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® users: Build 1237 is now available!
Already a Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows user? Stay up to date and download the build 1237 to get all the latest additions and enhancements.
PowerTracks Pro 2026 for Windows is Here!
PowerTracks 2026 is here—bringing powerful new enhancements designed to make your production workflow faster, smoother, and more intuitive than ever.
The enhanced Mixer now shows Track Type and Instrument icons for instant track recognition, while a new grid option simplifies editing views. Non-floating windows adopt a modern title bar style, replacing the legacy blue bar.
The Master Volume is now applied at the end of the audio chain for consistent levels and full-signal master effects.
Tablature now includes a “Save bends when saving XML” option for improved compatibility with PG Music tools. Plus, you can instantly match all track heights with a simple Ctrl-release after resizing, and Add2 chords from MGU/SGU files are now fully supported... and more!
Get started today—first-time packages start at just $49.
Already using PowerTracks Pro Audio? Upgrade for as little as $29 and enjoy the latest improvements!
Order now!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows Special Offers End Tomorrow (January 15th, 2026) at 11:59 PM PST!
Time really is running out! Save up to 50% on Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® upgrades and receive a FREE Bonus PAK—only when you order by 11:59 PM PST on Thursday, January 15, 2026!
We've added many major new features and new content in a redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
Version 2026 introduces a modernized GUI redesign across the program, with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, and a new Dark Mode option. There’s also a new side toolbar for quicker access to commonly used windows, and the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, making it easier to customize your workspace.
Another exciting new addition is the new AI-Notes feature, which can transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI. You can view the results in notation or play them back as MIDI, and choose whether to process an entire track or focus on specific parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®.
There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Upgrade your Band-in-a-Box for Windows to save up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade packages!
Plus, when you order your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade during our special, you'll receive a Free Bonus PAK of exciting new add-ons.
If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!
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