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Just purchased BIAB Pro 25 and just working my way around it. I am new to all this stuff although a pretty good windows user so please be gentle with me  First of many basic questions:- 1. I have set a song to end at bar 23. "end" is written in red at the top left of this bar. How do I delete the end in this bar? Ive looked in help and can't make sense of it. 2. I have set my first 8 bars to repeat twice, and then it goes into a chorus. How do I set it to go back to bar 1 after the chorus? Thanks all Steve
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Dan,
Thanks for the reply. That should sort my issue 😃 I'll have a go later 👍
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This is a start. Welcome to the forum. Just given this a try. Its helped but I'm still slighly confused. I'm trying to do a backing track in the following format:- No Intro 8 Bar verse played twice (in a slected style) 8 bar chorus played once (in a different style) return to start of verse and then repeat for a selected number of times. No count in or 2 bar ending. I'm struggling to understand how to do this using the many functions provided 
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Hang in, we'll get there. You cannot (to my knowledge) make more than one section repeat using the little window shown in Dan's screen. So, I would not do a repeat just for the eight bars you said in this step: 8 Bar verse played twice. I would instead make that 16 bars. Then the number at the far right, the number of repeats for the whole song, is your "selected number of times".
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Hang in, we'll get there. You cannot (to my knowledge) make more than one section repeat using the little window shown in Dan's screen. So, I would not do a repeat just for the eight bars you said in this step: 8 Bar verse played twice. I would instead make that 16 bars. Then the number at the far right, the number of repeats for the whole song, is your "selected number of times". Thanks for the reply. I'd actually already done that as a work around 😃 I created a 16 bar verse followed by an 8 bar chorus with a 4x repeat at the end of the chorus. I then edited the song style to the one I wanted at the start of each bar of repeating verse's and chorus's I'm thinking that I should be able to do this using the incredible number of functions/settings available to me 🤔
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Steve, you have jumped into the deep end of the pool. Best to start in the shallows to get your feet wet. What Matt has recommeded is a tried and true "workaround" which many of us have adapted. The feature we are suggesting for starting out is called "Unfold to one chorus." This converts your song from the repeated, structural form which your are outlining, into a single, continuous linear progression of bars that you can edit manually. This is the most efficient way to extend choruses and manage the song's full structure. In the long run this will save you lots of frustration. Keep it simple, just write out the chords in a linear fashion instead of implementing "Repeats / Codas / 1st and second endings", which by the way is found by R-Clicking on a bar or you find it in the menu item for "Song Form" which includes tag endings. Of couse if you are a daring soul, then feel free to go down this road less traveled. There are guys here how can likely help - but not me!
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Are you used to working in a DAW?
If so the sister program, Realband, may be more intuitive for you. If you use a Windows computer, you got it free with BiaB.
Just a thought.
Otherwise, lots of good help around here for BiaB.
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Steve, you have jumped into the deep end of the pool. Best to start in the shallows to get your feet wet. What Matt has recommeded is a tried and true "workaround" which many of us have adapted. The feature we are suggesting for starting out is called "Unfold to one chorus." This converts your song from the repeated, structural form which your are outlining, into a single, continuous linear progression of bars that you can edit manually. This is the most efficient way to extend choruses and manage the song's full structure. In the long run this will save you lots of frustration. Keep it simple, just write out the chords in a linear fashion instead of implementing "Repeats / Codas / 1st and second endings", which by the way is found by R-Clicking on a bar or you find it in the menu item for "Song Form" which includes tag endings. Of couse if you are a daring soul, then feel free to go down this road less traveled. There are guys here how can likely help - but not me! If that's the way to go that works for me 👍
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Are you used to working in a DAW?
If so the sister program, Realband, may be more intuitive for you. If you use a Windows computer, you got it free with BiaB.
Just a thought.
Otherwise, lots of good help around here for BiaB. Not looked at RB yet and never used a DAW no. I'll keep playing with BIAB for now and see how I get on 👍
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Steve, you have jumped into the deep end of the pool. Best to start in the shallows to get your feet wet. What Matt has recommeded is a tried and true "workaround" which many of us have adapted. The feature we are suggesting for starting out is called "Unfold to one chorus." This converts your song from the repeated, structural form which your are outlining, into a single, continuous linear progression of bars that you can edit manually. This is the most efficient way to extend choruses and manage the song's full structure. In the long run this will save you lots of frustration. Keep it simple, just write out the chords in a linear fashion instead of implementing "Repeats / Codas / 1st and second endings", which by the way is found by R-Clicking on a bar or you find it in the menu item for "Song Form" which includes tag endings. Of couse if you are a daring soul, then feel free to go down this road less traveled. There are guys here how can likely help - but not me! If that's the way to go that works for me 👍 Hi Steve, I do all of my songs in the "unfold" mode. For example I would have measure settings like this, 1,100,1. That is start at measure 1, have 100 measures, and only have 1 chorus; chorus being the jazz term for only play the song once. Most of the time I have to change the number of measures. This saves me the ton of headaches and frustration of working in BiaB. Note some people are experts at working in BiaB using it as is and with some workarounds. Me, I just want to get the song's basics down prior to transferring the song to my DAW. YMMV
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Hi Steve, I do all of my songs in the "unfold" mode. For example I would have measure settings like this, 1,100,1. That is start at measure 1, have 100 measures, and only have 1 chorus; chorus being the jazz term for only play the song once. Most of the time I have to change the number of measures. This saves me the ton of headaches and frustration of working in BiaB. Note some people are experts at working in BiaB using it as is and with some workarounds. Me, I just want to get the song's basics down prior to transferring the song to my DAW. YMMV Thank you. I'll be doing the same 👍
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No Intro 8 Bar verse played twice (in a selected style) 8 bar chorus played once (in a different style) return to start of verse and then repeat for a selected number of times. No count in or 2 bar ending. I'm struggling to understand how to do this using the many functions provided The first thing to note is that BiaB uses the jazz musicians meaning of "chorus", which is the body of the song, not just the chorus as one would use in, e.g., popular music. Jazz use is just Intro, Chorus(es), Outro/Coda/Tag. As others have said, often the "one big chorus" approach works best ... there's no ambiguity about 1st/2nd/tag/whatever. The second thing to note is that BiaB is big and quite complex and has more than a few quirks and gotchas that sometimes see, out to get us. Don't be embarrassed ... we all trip over lots of them.
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No Intro 8 Bar verse played twice (in a selected style) 8 bar chorus played once (in a different style) return to start of verse and then repeat for a selected number of times. No count in or 2 bar ending. I'm struggling to understand how to do this using the many functions provided The first thing to note is that BiaB uses the jazz musicians meaning of "chorus", which is the body of the song, not just the chorus as one would use in, e.g., popular music. Jazz use is just Intro, Chorus(es), Outro/Coda/Tag. As others have said, often the "one big chorus" approach works best ... there's no ambiguity about 1st/2nd/tag/whatever. The second thing to note is that BiaB is big and quite complex and has more than a few quirks and gotchas that sometimes see, out to get us. Don't be embarrassed ... we all trip over lots of them. Thank you. Yes there is a lot going on with this software 
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Gordon and Mario make good points. Since the meaning of 'chorus' in BIAB is the jazz meaning* (once through the song), if you are attempting to repeat any sections within the song, and then repeat the whole song, you should follow their advice and Edit, Song Form, Unfold to One Long Chorus.
About a DAW (digital audio workstation) Rharv has a good point too. I think most of us would put together a song that had a complex form by using a DAW, and BIAB ships with a free one bundled, called RealBand. I believe many more of us might be using RealBand if we had not learned another program first. However, if you are new to digital audio, definitely check out RealBand. It has one extremely important advantage over any other DAW on the market: it reads BIAB source files.
*BIAB started as a program to play along with songs from jazz fakebooks
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Gordon and Mario make good points. Since the meaning of 'chorus' in BIAB is the jazz meaning* (once through the song), if you are attempting to repeat any sections within the song, and then repeat the whole song, you should follow their advice and Edit, Song Form, Unfold to One Long Chorus.
About a DAW (digital audio workstation) Rharv has a good point too. I think most of us would put together a song that had a complex form by using a DAW, and BIAB ships with a free one bundled, called RealBand. I believe many more of us might be using RealBand if we had not learned another program first. However, if you are new to digital audio, definitely check out RealBand. It has one extremely important advantage over any other DAW on the market: it reads BIAB source files.
*BIAB started as a program to play along with songs from jazz fakebooks Thank you. I'll take a look at Real Band
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One of the things that will help going forward is to include your OS build and version plus your hardware in your posts. Sometimes, it makes a difference whether you are on Windows 7, 10, 11 or an Intel or Apple Silicon Mac etc. Click on your name in the upper right corner to edit your profile and signature to add this. If you want to have some fun with this, you can use this Hex Color Code Library along with these Formatting Instructions to add color. Go to What UBBCode can I use, and how can I format my posts? on that page. Will do Mike 👍
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New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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