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Hey Gordon, I hadn't heard of Keytron, thanks for putting it on my radar. From what I can see, this is another extremely powerful instrument. I wonder why this brand is not carried by GuitarCenter here in the States. And although the multi-bass looks like a great feature, no way am I going to let this (or any) machine have all the fun  Keytron EventKetron are a bit strange in their marketing. I presume they're a relatively small company and they're Italian which may make them a little uncomfortable in English-speaking markets. The Event is very impressive, for a price(!), but the older SD9 and SD90 are not so far behind and are still around. Thomann handle them. There's a guy on YouTube Tiho who does quite a few videos about them. Ketron's website focusses on the Event models, which are their new flagship series. They're also represented on FaceBook.
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Just a heads up.
A few years back the Keytron US center was non-responsive for some.
Not sure if that has changed.
Keytron used to be talked about a lot on this forum prior to that.
I don't think they have much representation/repair anywhere in the USA as of late.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Just a heads up.
A few years back the Keytron US center was non-responsive for some.
Not sure if that has changed.
Keytron used to be talked about a lot on this forum prior to that.
I don't think they have much representation/repair anywhere in the USA as of late. I think there have been some changes. There used to be two websites that may or may not have been the same company. ajamsonic.com has disappeared and the only site now, I think, is ketron.us. The website is responsive, whether the people are, I couldn't say. BTW, there's no Y in their name, despite it usually being pronounced as if there is.
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Fair point. I did spell it wrong.
I wasn't talking about a website though, I was talking somewhere you can try it out and take it if it needs service.
I had a W-30 back in the day.
I now prefer to keep my studio modular.
I priced their top Event model with all the bells and whistles.
$6500.
For what is a single point of failure set up.
I prefer having it a little less dependent on one item, for example if a keypad fails I can grab a different keyboard from the closet and at least keep making music.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Yes, agree entirely. Not so dissimilar to Korg or Yamaha prices, of course. The EVM offers an alternative arrangement, but the costs still all adds up and one also then has yet more boxes and cables to carry around and interconnect. Just going to jams with my Kawai, I have the keyboard, stand, pedalboard, seat, PA, tablet and a bag of cables. I don't really want also a laptop, sound module, screen, more cables. 
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What WOULD be cool, was a keyboard that could use BiaB generation with a good MIDI soundset
Then you might have something!
Throw in Ultrpak/Audiophile/FLAC RT sound set and wow ..
Just a thought for Peter and team <grin>
That may blow the keyboard auto-accompaniment world up I think this is essentially already done. Korg PA5XHoly crap! It's $5k. That's a bit much.. You could have 10 BiaBs for that. rharv, I think you are comparing apples to oranges. BiaB and arranger keyboards are both useful in their own right but are in entirely different categories. Clearly you are quite astonished at being able to buy multiple BiaBs for the price of 1 Korg Pa5X. This is how society has established worth, for which I obviously have no influence. Are you saying that to close the gap, Korg must lower their price-point or PGMusic should raise theirs?
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This is how society has established worth, for which I obviously have no influence. Though Arranger keyboards also comprise quite a bit of hardware, which will account for quite a bit of the price and will also contain profit margins for distributors and retailers. PGM mostly sells direct to the customer. I most certainly agree that society sometimes has a quite bizarre understanding of worth.
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Oh, I understand worth.
$5k could get a fair amount of studio time with real musicians.
For my circumstances (and that's where value To ME is based) I have much better use for that kind of money.
I have access to decent musicians as most people here know.
I also think that particular price involves quite a bit of profit.
Sure, there's the R & D but I disagree on how cheaply these can be mass produced.
They try to balance price/demand/profit/cost based on a desired profit margin.
The formula is not based on how to sell the most units, it is based on maximizing profit.
And no, I don't think PG should raise their price as they rely on a good amount of return business and do by well at balancing that equation.
I'm sure they could make more per unit, but overall they would lose more return customers.
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I also think that particular price involves quite a bit of profit.
Sure, there's the R & D but I disagree on how cheaply these can be mass produced.
They try to balance price/demand/profit/cost based on a desired profit margin.
The formula is not based on how to sell the most units, it is based on maximizing profit. My thumb-rule for costing was that I had to be able to make a product for 1/6 of the planned retail price. That may be nearer 1/5 in USA, where you don't have our typically 20% VAT. 20% goes to government in tax. 40% goes to the retailer. 20% goes to the wholesaler/distribution. ~17% is the cost to make. ~3% covers ancillaries, and profit. I still find that shocking and have to do a reality check, but that's pretty much how things are.
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I've also got a Korg M1. I wonder what it's worth nowadays?
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I have stayed out of this conversation as I have little knowledge about chord sequencer keyboards but I hope someone can help me understand. I watched the video and it looked like it took a number of presses on the touch screen to get a chord sequence. I have DLed a MIDI song, brought it into BiaB so the chords are inserted into the chord window, picked a style, then pressed generate. I can also have a BiaB demo song put into the chord window. IMHO, and I may be wrong about this, both processes are easy to execute and have thousands of styles to pick from in the styles window. Note that I can use both RTs or MIDI styles. Granted PGM could have a better filtering system for picking a style but to me BiaB is the better route to take. YMMV
PS - Steve this is no knock against you or anyone else into chord sequencer keyboards. I'm just trying to understand. Noted that you will need a keyboard along with BiaB so that is another expense. Mario, I may not be able to help you understand the finer points of arranger keyboards, indeed, the reason this thread exists is for me to learn more about them. But maybe this thread can help you understand a bit about why I want one. I don't doubt that BiaB and MIDI can do many great things but they are not portable keyboards, and that is my need. I agree that BiaB desperately needs better filtering capability. I also agree that several key presses are needed to get things done on arranger keyboards. But would't one expect that to be the case?
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I have stayed out of this conversation as I have little knowledge about chord sequencer keyboards but I hope someone can help me understand. I watched the video and it looked like it took a number of presses on the touch screen to get a chord sequence. Mario, I may not be able to help you understand the finer points of arranger keyboards, indeed, the reason this thread exists is for me to learn more about them. Both of those statements make me a bit concerned that there's possibly a misunderstanding going on here. "Arranger keyboards" are not necessarily "chord sequencer keyboards". The subject line conflates the two things. Generally what an arranger keyboard does is recognise a chord you play in the left hand end of the keyboard and play a backing pattern that fits with that chord. They very often do not include any kind of built-in chord sequencer. The button or touch-screen presses control variations on how the backup 'players' play, usually (invariably?) from simplest to most complex. Some do include a chord sequencer, but one would have to look fairly closely at the documentation to be sure what and how that's done. I think it's likely that most or all arranger keyboards can be controlled from a MIDI sequencer, e.g., like the BiaB "chords" track, though again one would have to look closely at the documentation to be sure. Unless the arranger has a built-in chord sequencer, one would still need an external sequencer for it. Edit: That is, to get automated chord sequencing, rather than having to play them yourself.Arranger keyboards take some practice to use ... the chords often have to be played at the right time, usually slightly ahead of the beat, to avoid messy or missed chord changes, and those other buttons or pedals usually have to be pressed as well, if only to switch to the end sequence. They have rigid timing, which also isn't always what one wants, though a bit of planning can often get around that. None of that is intended to discourage, but it is intended to help assure that you understand the tool better. As ever: caveat emptor.
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I don't doubt that BiaB and MIDI can do many great things but they are not portable keyboards, and that is my need................................. Thanx Steve that answers my question. I did not know your need for portability and thought that you were going to use it in conjunction with BiaB. Thus the reason for my confusion and message.
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Oh, I understand worth.
$5k could get a fair amount of studio time with real musicians.
For my circumstances (and that's where value To ME is based) I have much better use for that kind of money.
I have access to decent musicians as most people here know. Just like BiaB and arranger keyboards are apples and oranges, so too is how we measure worth. I have no interest in spending $5K for "real musicians". Such expensing would not only be one-and-done, but they'd be having the fun. Having said that, more power to them and I wish for their success in this age of music software, arranger keyboards and AI. From my perspective, spending that money on a modern keyboard will give many years of creative joy, self-learning, exploration and collaboration/jamming with others; all items that I assign high value to. But to each his own. I suppose that's why they make chocolate, strawberry and other flavor ice creams, not everyone prefers vanilla. As for profits going to Korg, Yamaha, Roland and other instrument designers/manufacturers, again I say more power to them. Someone has to innovate and produce the instruments we all want and need. The engineers, programmers, musicians, manufacturing people and others that toil at these companies certainly need to earn a living and put food on their tables.
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Oh I agree with all the above.
Like I said, They make that balance/decision of price vs units sold.
I think some products price above that balance, but that's just my opinion. As in my PGMusic example; PGMusic could charge more but would lose a repeat buyer market.
At some point the cost of producing the product becomes cheaper, if you sell enough of them.
And trust me, I don't pay $5k for musician time. I (and another) invested in and maintain a small local studio that musicians enjoy, hence my access to decent musicians. At very little cost overall.
"Yeah, we can give you cheap studio time, wanna jam on some of our stuff too?" works very well for us.
Plus we can do it at our leisure.
The whole thing was based on 'value to me', which is the only way I can honestly define value (and I thought I made that clear, even in your quote).
YMMV, and likely will, so I'm not arguing.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Both of those statements make me a bit concerned that there's possibly a misunderstanding going on here.
"Arranger keyboards" are not necessarily "chord sequencer keyboards". The subject line conflates the two things.
Generally what an arranger keyboard does is recognise a chord you play in the left hand end of the keyboard and play a backing pattern that fits with that chord. They very often do not include any kind of built-in chord sequencer. The button or touch-screen presses control variations on how the backup 'players' play, usually (invariably?) from simplest to most complex. I agree. And I don't get too hung up on the term "arranger keyboard" but I do want a keyboard that thas chord sequencing/chord progression capability where one can enter in custom chord progressions. I'm noticing such keyboards typically come with a lot of other bells and whistles, like many different styles which is a good thing. The technology in this area is really quite impressive.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2025 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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