Originally Posted by Pat Marr
I want to start by saying that I am a long time member of this forum, but I've been away for a long time, so I'm out of touch with the current topic of drama here. Apparently it's now the use of AI. I get it.
People who use an AI production as the whole thing then say "Look what I did" the only possible response is "no you didn't!" I see this topic as one that can be seen as a difference in KIND or as a difference in DEGREE. If we take it it to the full degree and present a fully generated product as our own, that's pretty lame. But there are many possible uses along the spectrum that add value to a song writer with the talent to build on it.

Music generated by AI is the new Band In A Box. I remember when it was considered cheating if you didn't play every track yourself. It raises the possibilities to a level that people playing by the old paradigms are highly unlikely to match. And anybody who has achieved any degree of success or reputation under the previous paradigm will certainly hate the new, and refuse to participate in it or even acknowledge it. You can instantly see what's going on here simply by noting who refuses to comment on any post that even mentions AI. If reviews were food, I'd say your contribution is being starved to death on purpose.

Pretty much ANY AI generated song is impressive, because it's trained on all the best music in the world. Your song is no exception... it is stunningly beautiful, and the lyrics you wrote and presented to SUNO are a feather in your cap. You already know this is beautiful, and you don't really need to be told that by others. You used SUNO as a tool in much the same way as the rest of us use BIAB as a tool... contributing a little and generating a lot. "Let he who has no sin cast the first stone."

What I think is particularly interesting when we hear how SUNO fleshes out an idea we present.... that possibility was already one of many. Why aren't WE coming up with similar arrangements on our own? I think the answer is because most of us are older and steeped in musical paradigms that we haven't deviated from for years. We use the same old chord progressions with slight variation. It's OK to stay in the bucket as long as everybody else is there too. But the crab who tries to climb out of the bucket will always be pulled back by the other trapped crabs. It's why you don't need a lid for the bucket of crabs... it's a self-enforcing prison.

All change goes through a FORMING, STORMING, NORMING and PERFORMING stage... and the use of AI is currently in the storming stage. Eventually people will agree on what constitutes "acceptable use" and it will normalize. Until then, it's the wild west. Some people will cave to peer pressure, others will press on, learning to master the new potential. Pick one path and run with it.

I find that the more tech that's available, the more I go back to playing everything myself. But even if you play it all yourself, you still need new ideas.
Thank you, Pat, for taking the time to write in detail about your thoughts on AI and its use.
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Personally, I don't see the current situation as "drama", but rather as a kind of "Wild West" confusion about how to deal with this new technology.
I suspect (and hope) that over time a consensus will emerge (in general, but also here in the forum) about what is acceptable and what is not.
I hope for the best, whatever that may be smile

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