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I agree with most everything Mal says, though now is a little late to wish for anything, isn't it?

Here's a nifty bit of trivia: Mal was one of the first to place 64-bit BiaB on the Wishlist in 2013. That ain't nuthin'! THANK YOU, Mal!

If I could wish for anything, it's that PGMusic is not just listening to us cranky retirees (I wear it proudly) and is focused on the next generation(s) of BiaB users. The age demographic on the User Showcase forum makes me feel very comfortable, but no doubt sends cold shivers down the spines of the PGMusic strategists...

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Originally Posted by DC Ron
I agree with most everything Mal says, though now is a little late to wish for anything, isn't it?
Yes and no.

It's definitely much too late for this year, but I suspect it's about the right time to suggest things for next year or the year after. My guess is that the main plans for BiaB 2027 are being firmed up either now or very soon.


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Originally Posted by Gordon Scott
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I agree with most everything Mal says, though now is a little late to wish for anything, isn't it?
Yes and no.

It's definitely much too late for this year, but I suspect it's about the right time to suggest things for next year or the year after. My guess is that the main plans for BiaB 2027 are being firmed up either now or very soon.

Absolutely! I came from a world where we were always developing plans across multiple overlapping years, so I get it.

But since the topic here is "What's New for 2026", the window for changes is almost certainly closed.

FWIW, Mal's last Wishlist post was 2023. Not judging. I've never posted in the Wishlist.

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I just think that every software house needs to understand very well what's going on, what are the actual and future trends. Going to music software, it's quite obvious that AI is actually at the centre of every music production. And BIAB is, and has always been, a music production software, so in its case this is even more important. Of course I have no idea what's going on in BIAB 2026, and it's too late anyway to make suggestions, BUT if PGMusic wants really to keep on mantaining its position of leader in music production software FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS OF MUSICIANS, well, they need a better and higher integration with AI techniques. If not, sadly it will became in very few years an obsolete piece of software for retired people only. All this, by my point of view of a 70yo amateur musician, BIAB customer since the DOS years. Please excuse my bad English.

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Where da New Orleans funk shuffle Real Tracks? Stanton Moore Real Drums? George Porter, Jr. Real Tracks? River Eckert Piano Real Tracks? Sonny Landreth Soloist?

How about other funk legends? Fred Wesley? Maceo Parker? David Garibaldi?

Any Black Friday deals?


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Any Black Friday deals?
I don't recall if PG Music has done Black Friday Deals, but they often do great deals when a new product is launched.
Only a guess, but if history repeats itself, a new release could be available before Xmas.


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I can get a fantastic track on Suno with a well thought out prompt. I can't get anywhere near a good song with BB.
I'll offer more thought in January but will not be spending money this year on an outdated piece of software.


The music produced by SUNO is more modern than BIAB.


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I played around with Suno, and Moises and yes, they have a modern sound and that is great is you want to sound like every other song created at this time. Sometimes that is what one wants BiaB sound unique, and i really love the ability to create MY take on some song i like to play. Take an older song and refresh it. Create a new song that has a different sound than the status quo on the boring radio today.

It would be cool to see more AI added to BiaB as the next couple years go by and add a little bit of the Suno feel added to The RT feel. Best of both worlds.

I know that is just my take


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Why is that? What is different about Suno? I don't know anything about it, and would prefer some information from a user before going down a rabbit hole.


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Originally Posted by Rob Helms
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It would be cool to see more AI added to BiaB as the next couple years go by and add a little bit of the Suno feel added to The RT feel. Best of both worlds.

I know that is just my take

IMHO I would rather PGM add AI that would better search styles, RTs, RDs, and possibly suggest adding other RTs to a song via the utility tracks prior to adding Suno.

Like you that is just my take and I meant no offense to your suggestion.


OK, a random thought;
Why does toilet paper need a commercial? Who's not buying it?

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Well I have delved into just about every AI site this past year. Suno is ok but has a long way to go with its algorithms. It's the prompts that makes what you are looking for and if you instruct one of the AI bots like ChatGPT you can use a ready made prompt to use on SUNO that gives some very convincing new music. I won't lie though, it's frustrating and requires you to delve deep to get something that WOWS you.

BB simply cannot continue, year in, year out throwing Real Tracks at us. It simply mounts up to the point where you don't know where to look next. It's taken forever to get a manual that explains things in ABC. The midi should be given far more attention, BTW ( SUNO offers midi with its song creation). At least you have far more ways, in a DAW of your own choice, to use VST3 instruments to create. I find the RealTracks frustrating and limited in what can be achieved, particularly Strings, no counterpoint, no expression, emotionless. Music has to arouse in all sorts of ways and ready made tracks, that cannot really take an instruction, doesn't really do it. They are dead before you begin. Press play on any Real Track and your response is, mmm, or, it's ok, but. Rarely ever WOW.


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Oh dear, I think it's another 200 plus Real Tracks again. I can't bring myself to do it again. I was tempted with the little AI gesture to grab midi from wav but it's not really new is it? Have fun everyone. I'm definately not sold this time.


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Mal,

I'm sorry you feel that way. While there are a bunch of new RealTracks this year there are also RealDrum stems, MIDISuperTracks, MIDI styles.
And there are Playable RealTracks that let you work with RealTracks like you work with MIDI.

There are admittedly those that want more content. I understand you don't and that's fine.
There are also those that don't care about how the program looks but many do and that seems to be what PG Music concentrated on this release.


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