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This appears to be a new product. It loads as a plugin into a DAW that supports ARA2. Its purpose is to convert audio to MIDI. The demo videos look quite impressive. I think this will be of most help to two very different groups: music producers, and those who transcribe music into notation. There is a $69 introductory price and a 21-day trial. More info: https://aurallysound.com/pages/prism-overview
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From what I (quickly) read, Melodyne Studio works pretty much the same way. If you drag a Melodyne polyphonic audio track to a MIDI track, a MIDI version of the audio track is created. Cool stuff, though I rarely use it.
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I have Melodyne Studio (more than10x the price of Prism), but decided to give Prism a go. 60,43 € VAT included.
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As DrDan posted separately, Celemony is running a ~2/3 off 25th anniversary sale on Melodyne upgrades. Prices are here . For example, upgrading from Editor to Studio is $99, normally $349.
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Very nice.
I just downloaded the free trail version and made a quick test with one simple melody file for violin.
Very smooth.
Although there are similar functionality in some DAWs eg Studio One with Melodyne, in my simple quick test I found Prism to give a more clean result in the generated midi notes. Playing the midi almost perfectly matched the audio. Doing the same with melodyne it also gave a good result but much more overlaps in notes and additional notes in the midi (maybe the sensitivity can be tuned I have not looked into it).
There is a free trial version. So it is very easy to test.
In Studio One just right click on the audio select "Event FX - Prism" done.
So it is very easy to compare an see, just to line up the Prism midi and the Melodyne midi in Studio One and compare the generated midi.
I will surely buy this one later on.
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This is very interesting! I could find a lot of use for this. But....does RealBand support ARA2?
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I think AI just found the answer. Although it has been requested many times, RB does not support ARA2. Too bad.
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From least to most capable (and expensive) Melodyne editions: Essential, Assistant, Editor and Studio. So, I think that the upgrade you're referring to is Assistant to Editor. Many years ago, I started with the Essential version that came (still comes) bundled with Studio One Pro. I upgraded to the Assistant version on the next Black Friday. A couple of years later, I upgraded to Editor, which did everything I wanted/needed. However, Celemony offered me a stupid cheap upgrade to Studio, so I took it. In all, I've paid less than half the price of the Studio edition to get there.
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From least to most capable (and expensive) Melodyne editions: Essential, Assistant, Editor and Studio. So, I think that the upgrade you're referring to is Assistant to Editor. Many years ago, I started with the Essential version that came (still comes) bundled with Studio One Pro. I upgraded to the Assistant version on the next Black Friday. A couple of years later, I upgraded to Editor, which did everything I wanted/needed. However, Celemony offered me a stupid cheap upgrade to Studio, so I took it. In all, I've paid less than half the price of the Studio edition to get there. Yep, I transposed my editions in that post, and have since corrected. It's the Editor to Studio upgrade that's currently $99 (or Euros). THANKS for spotting!
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I have Melodyne Assistant.
Only as a curiosity I wonder what particular features do you use in the higer capability versions of Melodyne (editor, studio).
I can see from the comparison table what the difference are in functions between the versions, but I am curious to understand which of these functions people in this forum find particular useful in their workflows.
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I have Melodyne Assistant.
Only as a curiosity I wonder what particular features do you use in the higer capability versions of Melodyne (editor, studio).
I can see from the comparison table what the difference are in functions between the versions, but I am curious to understand which of these functions people in this forum find particular useful in their workflows. For Studio version, the differentiator for me is Direct Note Access and the ability to edit chords. When I'm in BiaB, I never "fix sour notes" or regenerate a section to get a different inversion. I just export the stems to Studio One and edit the chord in Melodyne Studio. It's just much more precise and faster for me...
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From least to most capable (and expensive) Melodyne editions: Essential, Assistant, Editor and Studio. So, I think that the upgrade you're referring to is Assistant to Editor. Many years ago, I started with the Essential version that came (still comes) bundled with Studio One Pro. I upgraded to the Assistant version on the next Black Friday. A couple of years later, I upgraded to Editor, which did everything I wanted/needed. However, Celemony offered me a stupid cheap upgrade to Studio, so I took it. In all, I've paid less than half the price of the Studio edition to get there. My Melodyne path is identical to yours! I have found that the Studio version of audio to MIDI to be very good. It is so good that I quit looking for other audio to MIDI programs. I have tried a lot in the past and nothing compared to Melodyne. I will look at Prism as soon as I get a chance to compare the two.
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This is very interesting! I could find a lot of use for this. But....does RealBand support ARA2?
Jeff No. Band-in-a-Box does not support ARA2. However, there are several requests to add support in the Band-in-a-Box wishlist section of the forum.
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I have Melodyne Assistant.
Only as a curiosity I wonder what particular features do you use in the higer capability versions of Melodyne (editor, studio).
I can see from the comparison table what the difference are in functions between the versions, but I am curious to understand which of these functions people in this forum find particular useful in their workflows. This is what extra you get. Multi-tracking – view and manage multiple tracks in a single window Multitrack Note Editing – edit the notes of multiple tracks simultaneously Track-transcending macros – apply the macros to multiple tracks simultaneously Quantize to reference track – make one track adopt the timing of another Sound Editor – unique, overtone-based sound design The Sound Editor is very useful, as it is a very powerful EQ that can raise or lower individual notes. The multitrack feature comes in very handy when working with harmony's as you can see the other notes from another track where they are.
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Just tried it, it's quite impressive, it works very well, even with really busy piano tracks. Obviously, the better the quality of the tracks, the better results you have, so if the source material is poor (for example, bass tracks extracted using any track separation program, rather than original recordings), miracles cannot be expected.
It looks like an advanced and more refined version of the "Pitch" section of Song Master Pro (which was already impressive), but in VST format, which is great.
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This is another topic but I put it here. Maybe the midi output from Prism will be a good starting point for the Midi-Score editor in Dorico 6. I mostly transcribe music by ear (with some help from the software Transcribe) Sometimes I try to get help from the midi produced from a stem. But they are often very cluttered and requires a lot of editing to make sense. Either in the midi editor or the notation software and it is often very time consuming cleaning up the imported midi in the notation software. I just come across the notation software “Dorico 6” (Steinberg). There is a free limited version Dorico SE 6 for download. It seems to have a very interesting midi editor and score editor (have not seen this in other notation software). Edits via the midi editor are directly reflected through to the score editor and vise versa. Might save some time and effort to be able do some editing in the midi editor rather than the score editor. Dorico
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What an interesting new product from SMP. They currently have this feature in the SMP package so I only assume (and hope) that they are equal, short of the VST ARA stuff which is of course a plus but for me will not get me to pay more. Or if the new AI is better, than I hope they update SMP.
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Maybe the midi output from Prism will be a good starting point for the Midi-Score editor in Dorico 6. The point, I think, it's doing the corrections directly within Prism, which is what makes the whole transcription job much faster than the traditional, manual way (that I've used for years) In this example / tutorial, I've transcribed the whole bass line of a (short) demo song, complete with notes, chords and sections, in only 15 minutes: (It's in Spanish, but subtitles can be activated)
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Yes thanks, that's how I would do it now. This example resulted in a very clean midi for the final touch in the notation software, very good.
(My idea was that it also might useful to work simultaneously in a midi editor and score editor in the final step with the notation software.
But it probably does not add much since the midi out from the edit in Prism here resulted in a very clean midi. My problem normally is with the alignment and time mapping, the midi get skewed with the resulting notation cluttered with rests)
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Muy bien, muy útil. Gracias por crear y publicar esto.
Very good, very useful. Thank you for creating and posting this.
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My problem normally is with the alignment and time mapping, the midi get skewed with the resulting notation cluttered with rests) SMP exports midi with tempo map, so if you import the midi BEFORE the audio, the your audio track will be perfectly aligned with bars on your project. This also works with songs recorded without metronome. The key here is to make sure you select "time" as your time base for items, in your project settings, otherwise it won't work. This works for Reaper, other DAWS should have similar settings.
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What an interesting new product from SMP. They currently have this feature in the SMP package so I only assume (and hope) that they are equal, short of the VST ARA stuff which is of course a plus but for me will not get me to pay more. Or if the new AI is better, than I hope they update SMP. I am not sure. I get the feeling that the algorithms are enhanced in Prism but I don't know. There is a quistion about this in the SMP FB Forum but it has not been answered yet (I am waiting to see)- Anyway my feeling is that the default midi output is more clean and ready from Prism. It is quite easy to compare the default midi outputs from Prism and SMP it is just to line them up in a DAW.
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I am not sure. I get the feeling that the algorithms are enhanced in Prism but I don't know. There is a quistion about this in the SMP FB Forum but it has not been answered yet (I am waiting to see)- That is ME over in SMP FB.  I think they are the same. We will see what they have to say.
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They did not give a clear answer in the FB forum just pointed to a Prism guide document, but it is not clear from that document either.
In Prism I can select between 3 different algoritms, I can't find that option in SMP.
Anyway I just bought it it is nice to have the tool in the DAW as well (also I find the default midi output more clean and ready from Prism)
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I asked John the same question, he said the algorithm is new and considerably better than the one in SMP. I asked him as well if he has plans to integrate the new MIDI editor in SMP (wich would be great), maybe as an option for people who have bought both products or as an add on, and he said that he will definitely add that, but still has to think how to do it.
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You will shortly see that BIAB now provides this same AI capability - transcribe any external audio, or internal audio track (including any stem audio) to midi. Worth checking out.
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Thanks all for clarifying that this new program, Prism, has features beyond that in Song Master Pro, in addition to its working in a DAW directly. And Dan is right to mention that BIAB just added its own new audio to MIDI feature.
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Just downloaded the 2026 version and tried this new feature, I just need to keep testing it, but it looks promising.
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I have worked on two efforts to convert stems to midi in this new BIAB AI. In both cases the midi was surprizingly good. Yes, promising indeed.
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I have worked on two efforts to convert stems to midi in this new BIAB AI. In both cases the midi was surprizingly good. Yes, promising indeed. I am playing around with a song I am doing in BIAB. It uses the train beat boomchick 16. Since these files are already on separate tracks no need for stem separation and no bleed from other tracks. I wanted to see how well it could convert the file to a Midi file to be used with EZ Drummer 3 instead of the RD's. It did do a fair job but it is not without flaw that is for sure.
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This is a new type of a Drum Stem Separator just for Drums. It separates the drums into their separate kick, snare, and so on. ReStem
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I have worked on two efforts to convert stems to midi in this new BIAB AI. In both cases the midi was surprizingly good. Yes, promising indeed. Yes I agree. I have also tested with a few songs. In particular a simple violin melody with some organ background. And for this simple test I am impressed with the BIAB audi to midi to notation conversion. I compared the midi with the default audio to midi conversion in Prism and Melodyne and to me it seems that the BIAB version is more clean and ready and matched the audio overall very well (only some minor things). But I am especially impressed by the notation quite accurat, clean and easy to read for my purpose but I am no musician. I really like the concept of having the "notation" with the midi at the same time. This was a test for one simple song only it might be a different result for other types of music. (only tested it with the default settings no sensitivity tunings)
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This is a new type of a Drum Stem Separator just for Drums. It separates the drums into their separate kick, snare, and so on. ReStemThere is also the TRACKER in SD3 (SuperiorDrummer3 Toontrack) for this type of work. Might be worth checking out (extract the drum stems and convert to midi). Although it is a more sofisticated software and quite expencive. They have a crossgrade price from EZD3 and it was on sale (now ended).
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Pretty unscientific. Conclusion based only on listening [A, B, C] to the final track. Care to listen yourself? ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=31847&filename=AI Transcription from Audio to MIDI - SMP, PRISM, BIAB.jpg)
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Have any Sonar by Cakewalk users tried Prism? Its product page states that it works with it, being an ARA 2-Supporting DAW, but when I try o load it into Sonar, I get an error message stating "ARA host isn't detected". Have reached out to the developer. Meanwhile, have any other Sonar users seen this?
A second question, for those who've gotten it to work, regardless of your DAW how would you rate it against the new BIAB feature's take? I've been midi-fying polyphonic audio with Melodyne for a good while, but success has been mixed ; sometimes very competent, other times, ghost notes galore and a pain to clean up, even when the signal is, as recommended, clean and dry. I must say the Prism demo video makes it look like potential holy grail
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No holy grail here. Was working with both PRISM and SMP today. Dropouts in both. But both better than Melodyn which had a ton of ghost notes. In all three cases working with stems. I think it is just as good as it gets for todays tech but will likely get better.
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Cakewalk - don’t know.
BIAB new feature - don’t know.
Prism in action - in my very brief testing, the thing that impressed me immediately was the sensitivity adjustment. It reminded me of my astronomy software, where the deep sky looks entirely different if the faintest star is magnitude 2 in a city, or 6 in a desert. MIDI artifacts can be refined to the disappearance point.
I read that Song Master Pro said that Prism’s algorithm is better than Song Master Pro’s.
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Have any Sonar by Cakewalk users tried Prism? Its product page states that it works with it, being an ARA 2-Supporting DAW, but when I try o load it into Sonar, I get an error message stating "ARA host isn't detected". Have reached out to the developer. Meanwhile, have any other Sonar users seen this?
A second question, for those who've gotten it to work, regardless of your DAW how would you rate it against the new BIAB feature's take? I've been midi-fying polyphonic audio with Melodyne for a good while, but success has been mixed ; sometimes very competent, other times, ghost notes galore and a pain to clean up, even when the signal is, as recommended, clean and dry. I must say the Prism demo video makes it look like potential holy grail Not sure how Sonar is using ARA2 these days but in Studio One Pro I have to insert Prism as a Event FX on the selected track. Melodyne and some other ARA apps work different than that in Studio One. I saved this track from BIAB RT "All RealTracks Demo! Guitar, Bass, Pedal Steel BBPiano_Real 364 Guitar, Acoustic, Fingerpicking Ev 065_SingleRender_DragDrop". I used Prism inside of Studio One Pro convert the wave to midi. I then used a Ample Martin guitar VSTI to play the midi file. I must say as a guitar player myself it did a very good job. Make sure it is single instrument and of good quality for the best results. However I tried different stuff and it was not perfect and would need a bunch of editing for sure. BIAB has a lot of transcribed midi with some of the newer real tracks that are actually quite good.
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Thanks Doc! May I ask, what type of stems did you use it to convert?
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Thanks Matt. by the way, did you know Bill Clinton's second-in-command was also known for his Al Gore-isms?
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Thanks, Brian. One thing I'm hoping it can handle are fused vocal harmony stems. For exmaple, I have the isolated vocals (fused as 1 stem) for The Beatle's "Because" and "Sun King", would be so cool to be able to split out the individual voices as midi and play them back as some kind of instrumental
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I did. One was said to be inventing the Internet. I liked him anyway!
About Prism in Studio One Pro 7, yes, just add an Event. Couldn’t have been easier.
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Thanks, Brian. One thing I'm hoping it can handle are fused vocal harmony stems. For exmaple, I have the isolated vocals (fused as 1 stem) for The Beatle's "Because" and "Sun King", would be so cool to be able to split out the individual voices as midi and play them back as some kind of instrumental Prism claims only moderate success with vocals at this time and does not support drums yet. This could change in the future of course.
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There is an +++ interesting thread +++ in Bandlab's Sonar forum about Prism. Sonar is ARA2 compatible so Prism is displaying an erroneous error message so it will likely be up to Prism's developer to straighten it out. It does seem to matter if you're using the fx or regular version of Prism. It also helps to remember that ARA2 plugins work on regions, not whole tracks. From the Sonar thread it appears the false negative error message is happening with multiple DAWs.
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There is a new version PRISM 1.1.0 out.
It does not require ARA works as a VST3.
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