Do I want to spend time trying to find my way around the new GUI and getting very frustrated whilst doing so? Probably not. IReal Pro & Quartet now provide the playalong function I need.
Unless there is an easy way to switch to the old-style, no upgrade for me. After 15 years, 2025 will be my final BIAB.
Honestly Clive, the new GUI is so straight forward to use, and the new, what I would call simplified user interface will make it so easy for old and new users alike.
Once you start using it I guarantee you will never want to go back to the old one.
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Once you start using it I guarantee you will never want to go back to the old one.
This is the statement that says it all. If you could use the old GUI, you can use the new one, and it's actually easier. Everything just falls into place. It is functional, tailored, and makes the old GUI look like something that was actually difficult to use. Don't be put off, everything just falls into place and works, and it's now so flexible. Using it is a breeze.
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The more I use it, the more I like it. They have done a great job designing a GUI that integrates all the new features they have been adding for years into a single, cohesive, modern (it follows the standards used in other programs), well-thought-out, and well-implemented GUI.
As a result, BIAB is now much easier to use than ever, and the user experience has significantly improved.
I hope future updates continue in the same direction. Anyway, IMO, this is one of the best updates ever, so kudos to PG Music and all the team.
I use BIAB on both Windows and Mac. I took one look at the new GUI and knew I was going to have to install the Windows version on my Mac this year (until the Mac version comes out) because the new GUI is so good. I agree that this is one of the best updates ever (and I actually had no complaints about the old GUI).
Once you start using it I guarantee you will never want to go back to the old one.
This is the statement that says it all. If you could use the old GUI, you can use the new one, and it's actually easier. Everything just falls into place. It is functional, tailored, and makes the old GUI look like something that was actually difficult to use. Don't be put off, everything just falls into place and works, and it's now so flexible. Using it is a breeze.
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Yes, this new GUI will save you so much time and effort and it will be a very pleasant experience every time when using it
These two messages says it all. PGM did a fantastic job on this version. If anyone complains about PGM not listening to it customers should compare the messages on the wishlist forum to this upgrade.
Thank you very much PGM for listening and this fantastic upgrade.
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Whether this GUI is "better" really depends on a number of factors including one's workflow and which BiaB features need to be accessed. Once I removed all the unnecessary-to-my-workflow icons from the top bar, I found I had a half empty top bar and a sidebar without utility (to my workflow). Truthfully, I'd rather have a more customizable top bar and no side bar at all. Or at least an option to hide the side bar (if it's there I missed it).
Not complaining about the GUI, it'll work fine. It's just not a gamechanger for me. But I'm me.
Everyone should buy the new version. Totally worth it.
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Maybe we should get a thread goin: New UI Cry room. Most items will be resolved (explained), and smiling kids will run off to make new hits, others will continue to sit frowned, while we perform a happy puppet show... and eventually their tears will dry out too.
Hey skeptics!, PGM is very generous with "return policy". If you are debating with yourself whether to update or not, core program upgrade from last year is only $49. Try it before making negative assumptions. New UI is not flashy, but very clean and easy to work with. If I am not mistaken, return policy is 30 days (!)
I applaud PGM for not cutting corners and making this right! So far, it seems people responding positively to new UI. It works very well for what I do. I am sure there will be a bunch of minor issues that people will discover, but I have confidence, most will get resolved within next couple of patches.
Not complaining you're right it's neat and clean. My only "issue," as I mentioned elsewhere, is all my 35 years of using BIAB all (most) of my "mouse muscle memory" is gone as I have to re-find "stuff." Won't take myself a lot of my dwindling brain cells or effort to get use to new GUI however.
Although, I never saw what the issue was that caused all the....fuss over the old GUI.
I know a lot of folks think Stuido One is the bees knees but after 25'ish years of Cakewalk/Sonar (DOS V2 in '89 until a year before they went bust) S.O. menus, their contents, and windows are not as I would like or expect ditto Reaper.
Its like the context menus from the file Explorer in Win7 and Win 10 - they both had all the items in one right click. But Windows 11 "cleaned" that up so it takes a second right click on properties to unhide the rest of the context menu items. I immediately fixed that with a 3rd party utility as soon as I started using Win 11 now everyting in the context menu is just one right click away not two. Actully I fixed a lot of Win 11 GUI items - task bar, start menu, device manager, etc. etc. Just being new and clean doesn't always improve work flow.
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"Although, I never saw what the issue was that caused all the....fuss over the old GUI."
That's the thing. A philosophy of vocal long time users resisted progress, making PGM tread water by maintaining a balance between moving forward and cater to conservative voices. At the end you had a very capable software that was nearly impossible to break into- alienating newcomers. Mainly because features were implemented in a way to avoid conflict with selected few, and not what is best for the future of the software.
Some of solutions going forward included making BIAB more coherent and modular. Two major steps were taken: Bringing all creative content under one roof - Library, and UI that is modular and logical. Still whole bunch of known issues that kept BIAB anchored to the past left to resolve, but I feel now it's on the right path and hopefully will appeal to a much wider audience, without sacrificing core value.
Skeptic. I see lost opportunities. Sometimes a living room needs to be redecorated, this is still grannies parlour to millennials. Same fonts same Colors, same, win 95 look. Goodbye new younger customers. We seem this before, it’s a religion around. I have dabbled around in Access program and the database user interface screens can be dragged around at will. Yes this is better, but unless they are stuck in some kind of ancient coding language, should not take long. Yes there is a bit of recoding of buttons too, but also defining button attributes is not a big Deal. It is definitely more useable. The behind the scenes stuff like the complicated Preferences window still reaks of windows 95 coding. Throughout the application buttons and intereactions perform in an inconsistent way. The change key function for example occupies a huge amount of real estate when opened, whereas some buttons halve no visible icons. It’s been occurring to me, that a bar in BIAB chord window could be an incredible learning opportunity. One click on a bar line could bring a world of learning, such as rthe role of the chord, optional voicings, alternate possibilitie and of course basics, like what notes it is composed of. Boasically it’s a re jig not a rethink
So ZZ, just to clarify, you have upgraded to 2026, and have based your comments on your findings? Others are obviously keen to make comparisons based on real world experiences. Is this based on your own practical experiences, or presumptions based on others views and comments? Could you clarify?
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My only "issue," as I mentioned elsewhere, is all my 35 years of using BIAB all (most) of my "mouse muscle memory" is gone as I have to re-find "stuff."
After 35 years of mouse muscle memory I still find myself looking for things I know are there but can't remember how to find them due to the utter mess that BIAB is. Although I have not upgraded yet, I probably will as from what I see so far this looks like a change that was a long time coming and may be worth the upgrade. At least I hope so.
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Although, I never saw what the issue was that caused all the....fuss over the old GUI.
Same here really but the lack of customisation and the fact that every click led to another click and eventually a child window with more options and clicks made it a pain to use.
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Its like the context menus from the file Explorer in Win7 and Win 10 - they both had all the items in one right click. But Windows 11 "cleaned" that up so it takes a second right click on properties to unhide the rest of the context menu items.
This is something that bugs me the most. Menu, sub-menu, more nested menus, it's just an absolute mess and like playing whac-a-mole for every action when it could easily be done with one simple mouse click or key stroke. I just don't understand the attraction for designers to make everything as difficult as possible. I know that everyone has different workflows, but regardless, why make something more difficult when it just isn't necessary. I don't "play" with any software I buy, everything for me is a job and I want that job to be as painless and quick as possible to do. I do a lot of repetitive tasks and this kind of design makes everything a nightmare.
Once I upgrade I am certain that I will find hundreds of things that make me shake my head in disbelief but if this new layout does what it looks like it is meant to do then that, at least, will be a massive improvement over the old layout, for me. I really hope it is. Everything behind the GUI will be the same old mess I'm sure but hopefully this is a step in the right direction for the start of PG tidying up the BIAB chaos and hopefully the next upgrade will concentrate on injecting some common sense into the rest of the software. A long way to go but I'm feeling ever so slightly hopeful for a change.
I purchased yesterday. No deep dive yet. Working on another project at the moment, in Cubase. Not much time. I am saying there is an improvement, but there could have been so much more. It’s still the old jalopy underneath.
ZeroZero, "old jalopy underneath" not quite. Views became independent, floating., modular.You can work in multiple windows simultaneously. Redone Piano Roll. As one forum guardian angel coined it a Synergy workflow.
New UI is a success! It happened because PGM listened and interacted with users. Perhaps this should be a model for the future. Users vote on importance of a feature, if PGM decides to implement it, they will gather opinions and suggestions on that item, like it did with UI and rolls it out with next version.
ZeroZero, "but there could have been so much more" Sure, if they had an army of coders. Given relatively small team, they done great! Don't forget that they are not just a software company, they are producers! They recorded hundreds of hours of content, worked with it to create Real track & Styles, etc.
Using 2025 and most likely will upgrade. My irritation has long been this----you're working with the chord sheet (on a song), but accidently hit a button and something comes up on the screen---sometimes sharing the space with the chord sheet. Now, how do you clear it away and get back to the full screen chord sheet? Not every feature has the small x to click away whatever's showing that you don't need. Or, else I'm blind and can't find it. That's rough when it happens on a live gig.
J. Larry, if you are talking about multi "views" when you talk about "something", you just hit Chord View button and it will get you full screen Chord view.
I have been with BIAB and I so agree it’s a mess. All they have done is rejigged the same stuff. My personal pet hate is the way that the loop function is so flakey and even when you have a couple of bars highlighted there is often no guarantee that the cursor follows on. Just one little click almost anywhere else and it’s lost its setting. This gets on my nerves every day and all I do is bung in a few chords for piano practice. It still can’t do this well, since 2007. Recently I went below deck in order to cover repeats, regretted it, so obscure and flakey. Will not be doing that again. Repeat functions like simple repeats, type one and two endings, del segno and so forth, should be the most easy thing to do. It should be a simple function of the interface. It’s not, it’s very tricky. I just won’t go there any more. Many just write the whole piece avoiding then.
The chord entry needs a total redesign. It’s not going to get one IMO, nor are all the back room windows. It still reeks of Win 95. No young person is going to have an interest, I run a Musicians Meet Musicians Group locally. If I mention Band in a Box they all go ‘whaaaot?..’ if I show them in my studio, you can see faces dropping as they look at the obviously ancient interface with the weird design, fonts etc. if PG were even to tart up the visuals this would help. Another lost opportunity in PG, is the fact that it’s crowning glory is real tracks. On the website all you see silhouettes , manikins. The WHOLE point of Biab is real tracks, without these they would be dead. I own a Nord Keyboard, if I go to their website I can find interviews with real artists and demos of them playing the keyboard. It sells the product. There is none of this to be found on the PG website, not even a picture of their session men and a bio. It. Criminally undersells the product. Frankly the site is almost unnavigable, full of unnecessary tosh that only the understand, megaplusextaproxtraplusaudioplhilicbonuspak jargon that must send customers away in their droves. They just do NOT get it and will not face facts. There could be a truly great product, but there is a mess.
I think you have to ask yourself Zero whether or not you are happy or unhappy with Band in a Box in your Music Making Toolkit.
Reading your posts I get the distinct impression that this software is not for you, such seems to be your grievances against Band in a Box and even PGMusic in general.
We can all think of improvements that can be made, but your posts seem to go beyond that. I for one, down through the years (as many others have done) have used Band in a Box for backing tracks for little songs that I have done, that has saved me a fortune in Studio Time, and got me in a few cases over 100k views on Youtube.
Overall Band in a Box is my favourite bit of software, It really has something for everyone, Often I just open it up and go the Artists Performance sets, or other option let it play its stuff and be thoroughly entertained by it.
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Zerozero, you must had soured cream put in your coffee this morning... Most of us (users) have some kind of annoyances with BIAB. It is normal, like with a family member Lots(!) of room for improvement, but not to see the progress team made in the past few years, that's simply being unfair and blind.
Fair enough. I realise my opinions are contentious but I still hold them. Missed opportunities and flakey programming everywhere. Most of PG customers are OAPs like me. We can all praise the small improvements and BIAb does some things well, irreplaceably well. It is also totally old skool
I've kinda been holding back from commenting too much until I've had a chance to actually use BIAB 2026 on some real projects. So far I can easily acknowledge that this represents substantial improvement to BIAB! But, I would also agree with ZeroZero on certain points.
Anyone can see that the main screen UI is dramatically improved. Once I switched to dark mode and changed the font from the "classic" BIAB font I felt the main screen UI looks as good or better than anything else out there!
I mean, c'mon, that is light years from where it came from, right?
---------- My suggestion to PGM for immediate implementation: In the next build for 2026, and in all of your marketing materials/presentations, set the default color scheme to dark and change the font to a common, modern Windows/Mac font.
What made me stop and go "WOW!" was DrDan's screenshot of the main screen UI AFTER he had modified it (DrDan's post )!
Out of the box, for me, it was still too reminiscent of older versions of BIAB. For something this cool, I think you should dress it up to look new and exciting without remnants from the past like the old font and background color. ---------- One of the main places where I agree with ZeroZero is, once you get past the beautiful new main screen UI you quickly remember you're back in Windows 95 territory!
There are so many of these "classic" Windows screens and dialogs, all loaded up with hundreds of obscure options and settings, that it makes my eyes roll whenever I have to go there. Thank goodness for folks here who know the program so well that I can usually just ask how to do something and I get a kind response with a roadmap to the option or setting I'm seeking. I fear new users or prospective younger users might be quite put off by this aspect. ---------- My suggestion to PGM for future implementation: You need to tame this beast! And we know it won't be easy because there are so many settings and options spread all over the place in this program. Maybe start by moving all non-essential stuff to a less visible area. And make the most commonly used settings and options easier to find. This is a tough one but if you can pull it off that will make the program a lot easier to use. ---------- My suggestion to PGM for near-term implementation: Change the screens and dialogs throughout the program to match the dark mode main screen UI. They will still be complex but they will look more modern. ---------- In summary, I am really looking forward to exploring the new main screen UI as it looks really beautiful and seems to offer significant workflow improvements! I think the PGM team deserves a big round of applause for this version. And I hope more UI improvements throughout are planned!
The dark mode has nothing to do with if a GUI is modern or not. It is the functionality of the GUI, i.e. how the user can work in the GUI that makes the difference.and makes it modern. And if it is configurable.
It is only a user preference. Some people like it (find it easier to work) in dark and some in light mode.
Some people have very hard to read and use a GUI in the dark mode. The problem with the industri and some developers is that they think that they know what is optimal for the user experience, but they don't! They think a modern GUI must be a dark GUI and some don't even provide an option to switch between modes. (It seems to be a trend thing rather than based on user experience)
I never buy a software with a GUI that only has dark mode and can't be switched to a light mode (i.e. too dark mode with no options to configure the intensity, colors of the text). Why? it is useless to me, many times I can't read the text (dark grey or dark colored text on dark background) and I know that many users have the same issues with dark mode. It is very different between users what is optimal för visability and it might be hard for many with no issues with the dark mode to understand that many people have big problems with this.
Otherwise I agree in full with JJJ comments above.
The good think about the new BIAB GUI is that the user can switch between light and dark mode as they prefere. So it is not an issue.Very good.
It is very important for software with a dark mode to have the option for the user to configure and select, fonts, intensity and color of the text so it will be readable against the dark background.
BIAB dark mode is not so dark so it will work fine. But the user need to be able to configure the color of the text eg green on dark can be very hard to read for some users.
Colors can be very pretty but the main issue in a GUI for the user is usability i.e. to be able see and read the text and information with ease. So for that purpose it is always better to use white text on grey background as default when in a dark mode and let the user configure other colors for the font depending on preferences. As an example in BIAB the tiny mixer box in the multipicker view is completely useless for me dark green text on black background. I can't read it at all in there (what a shame).
For the same reason as above I would like to be able to configure the colors for some of the text in the BIAB mixer and the track view (eg green on black background not very easy to read, especially not in the multipicker mixer view). I have not found any options for that, but maybe I have missed it.
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Notice this attachment below is also BIAB 2007 (updated to RealTracks in 2012)
It's a MultiStyle with 14 substyles of 7 soloists programmed to seamlessly flow between substyles and from one soloist to another every 8 bars Four drum patterns also alternating with Part Markers. This is a simple MultiStyle. BIAB is capable of creating much more complex arrangements than this.
Maybe show friends what BIAB can do. This SGU project can be turned into a completely different song arrangement in 33 seconds. Soloist instruments can be changed out with over four thousand different instruments, genres, or grooves.
How many know that BIAB can generate the equivalent of 264 tracks in a single render?
How many know that user recorded audio can be merged with midi or RealTracks in BIAB?
How many know that Artist Performance Files can have transcription and tab?
The dark mode has nothing to do with if a GUI is modern or not. It is the functionality of the GUI, i.e. how the user can work in the GUI that makes the difference.and makes it modern. And if it is configurable.
It is only a user preference. Some people like it (find it easier to work) in dark and some in light mode.
I agree with you and I think I needed to make a finer point than I made! IMHO, dark mode BIAB, with a better font choice, looks more modern than the default 2026 version or any previous version of BIAB (especially the old colorful icon versions!) And I agree 100% that this must be user configurable (and it is) since some people prefer light mode!
My main point was (or should have been) that PGM should present the product in the most modern-looking configuration possible to definitively distinguish it from past incarnations. I believe the chord sheet's default pale background and that old font detract a bit from the NEW UI stuff and remind me too much of the old BIAB. I just feel that a better approach would be to move everything forward and then allow full user config. And I get that there may be some benefit with old-timers that there are still familiar artifacts from the "good old days" but I was thinking more about new, younger potential customers. And maybe reviewers who have seen the old BIAB would be more impressed seeing what's possible in the new UI.
Nice video. Just a thought, but if I wanted to emphasize the new, modern look of the GUI to prospective buyers, I wouldn't show the legacy guitar window right up front. I'm sure it works perfectly, but WOW, is that ever dated looking. Better yet, I'd update the guitar GUI.
I know, I know: Work in progress...
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Nice video. Just a thought, but if I wanted to emphasize the new, modern look of the GUI to prospective buyers, I wouldn't show the legacy guitar window right up front. I'm sure it works perfectly, but WOW, is that ever dated looking. Better yet, I'd update the guitar GUI.
I know, I know: Work in progress...
It sure is and that drum window is from long time past
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... It sure is and that drum window is from long time past
I might not be mistaken if I said it might have been from the last century
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I just viewed the video on YouTube and was personally delighted that the GUI has been given a facelift - much needed in my opinion. But I think they should stop using that awful clown font - epsecially for YT videos, it is sooooooo outdated and betrays the sophistication of the product. I'm not sure the new GUI is as modern as it should be, but I assume it's a work in progress. If BIAB wants to appeal to younger likely customers (i.e. anyone younger than my 77 years...) it simply has to modernise the look and feel.
I do generally like the new interface, but when I first saw it my octogenarian’s eyes drowned in a sea of dark grey. Everything seems to merge into everything else. To my admittedly poor vision it all lacked clarity and contrast. And yes, I have tried to reconfigure the colours using trial and error with some improvement. That in itself was a bit of a challenge, and time consuming given the list of variables in small font, and an infinite number of colour options. My wish for the future is that there be a set of alternative skins or presets available which are designed to make the GUI more accessible to those of us with limited vision.
A very reasonable suggestion. If there were several different pre-made color format layouts available, the user could quickly select one that suits their needs best.
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Skyline, I disagree on "facelift" part. While it looks like a normal software now with solid design, the biggest achievement was, it made (most of) BIAB non-modal & modular. Not only you can adjust & resize views, you can work with different views simultaneously, on single or multiple screens. Overall it greatly improved workflow.
The younger audience... I don't know if I want that. Meaning mainstream Hip Hop, Techno / Electronic (and sub genres). Genres that are at heart of BIAB: Rock, Blues, Jazz, Folk, Light Pop, World...mainly appeal to folks 40+ And that is great, because there is almost nothing out there that has such a vast library of traditional genres, while there are tons of beat making software titles. Having said that, of course BIAB has to go further to modernize user experience. UI + Library were major steps toward that.
Skyline, I disagree on "facelift" part. While it looks like a normal software now with solid design, the biggest achievement was, it made (most of) BIAB non-modal & modular. Not only you can adjust & resize views, you can work with different views simultaneously, on single or multiple screens. Overall it greatly improved workflow.
The younger audience... I don't know if I want that. Meaning mainstream Hip Hop, Techno / Electronic (and sub genres). Genres that are at heart of BIAB: Rock, Blues, Jazz, Folk, Light Pop, World...mainly appeal to folks 40+ And that is great, because there is almost nothing out there that has such a vast library of traditional genres, while there are tons of beat making software titles. Having said that, of course BIAB has to go further to modernize user experience. UI + Library were major steps toward that.
Well, it did get a facelift but not just a facelift! (So, i agree with both of you!) I am finding the work they did greatly improved both the look AND the workflow and I am actually enjoying songwriting inside BIAB now! The day I saw the new UI I contacted a good friend who bought BIAB in 2023 on my recommendation. He loved the RealTracks but hated the UI. I told him he needed this upgrade and he has already bought it and LOVES it too!
Just watched the New GUI User Interface video. Don’t need multi-view templates and a lot of screen clutter. Only want/need a full screen of chords and lyrics from edge to edge, but keeping the tool bar at top. Is that possible with the 2026 version? Would that require a custom template? No buttons showing on left or right, but a full chord screen for songs in live play. Would appreciate a comment on that, before I order-up the new version.
Just watched the New GUI User Interface video. Don’t need multi-view templates and a lot of screen clutter. Only want/need a full screen of chords and lyrics from edge to edge, but keeping the tool bar at top. Is that possible with the 2026 version? Would that require a custom template? No buttons showing on left or right, but a full chord screen for songs in live play. Would appreciate a comment on that, before I order-up the new version.
Yes, this is possible. The sidebar menu can be dragged to zero width via mouse, and the mixer can be not shown, leaving only the top bar menu. This is how I work, too...
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. But I think they should stop using that awful clown font - epsecially for YT videos, it is sooooooo outdated and betrays the sophistication of the product.
Is it the font on the chord sheet that you're referring to, or something else?
. But I think they should stop using that awful clown font - epsecially for YT videos, it is sooooooo outdated and betrays the sophistication of the product.
Is it the font on the chord sheet that you're referring to, or something else?
I'm not sure what font they are referring to but, for me, the default font used in the chord sheet is the one that drags the beautiful new GUI down! I hate that font because 1) it looks rough and amateurish and 2) it reminds me of the old BIAB GUI which I really don't like! Sorry, not sorry!
But once I changed the chord sheet font, this GUI rivals any of the best music production software on the market!
As I understand it, the usual font that BIAB displays is the traditional Big Band font that many notation engraving programs use, but I can see why that seems like perhaps the old Comic Sans font that often looks so outdated. DrDan just brought to my attention that there is that neat drop down menu on the new UI to change all of this to what you want. SO VERY COOL!
I use chord sheet with split screen for the memo section where I write both lyrics and other song info. Will that still be an option in 2026? This is very important to me and would like to know asap as I will be purchasing this week. If I can't have that memo section on sp0lit screen that would be a deal breaker for the 1st time since 2004. Please advise.
JJJ did you use a font off the biab included list or a custom font?
As I recall, BIAB font offerings are all a small set of stuff I don't care for so I used a Windows font.
Thanks! I see that there is a choice in the list that says "custom", but also mine says Arial. Is there some control to actually go pick a font off your Windows system other than Arial? I don't see any specific dialog asking me to choose from my Windows font list. Then I questioned AI about fonts and BIAB and it was helpful and I believe accurate:
"Can you change what BIAB uses? BIAB limits chord fonts intentionally. Even though Windows may have hundreds of fonts installed, BIAB will only expose fonts it knows will work. Many fonts break chord spacing, accidentals, or superscripts. If BIAB doesn’t list a font, it’s usually by design."
This made sense to me. Looking at your screen shot, I suspect this is what you picked.
Here is what mine looked like. I just threw in some random chords to see how they displayed. My "G" is slightly different than yours, but the vibe of the font is the same, though mine look larger probably because I had fewer bars showing.
JJJ did you use a font off the biab included list or a custom font?
As I recall, BIAB font offerings are all a small set of stuff I don't care for so I used a Windows font.
Thanks! I see that there is a choice in the list that says "custom", but also mine says Arial. Is there some control to actually go pick a font off your Windows system other than Arial? I don't see any specific dialog asking me to choose from my Windows font list. Then I questioned AI about fonts and BIAB and it was helpful and I believe accurate:
"Can you change what BIAB uses? BIAB limits chord fonts intentionally. Even though Windows may have hundreds of fonts installed, BIAB will only expose fonts it knows will work. Many fonts break chord spacing, accidentals, or superscripts. If BIAB doesn’t list a font, it’s usually by design."
This made sense to me. Looking at your screen shot, I suspect this is what you picked.
Here is what mine looked like. I just threw in some random chords to see how they displayed. My "G" is slightly different than yours, but the vibe of the font is the same, though mine look larger probably because I had fewer bars showing.
Looks Great! I think I made my rows a bit shorter. And I chose my font in the settings window for this toolbar by clicking the Custom button and then choosing what I wanted!!!
Super. That is quite interesting to me. I too used the custom button, but was already indicating only the font Arial. I think I will talk to PG tomorrow to see what they really intend with the "custom" designation. I am a bit of a typography fan so this interests me. If I find out anything interesting, I'll post.
I posted a screen shot replay but do not see it . . . pardon a double if that is that happens. I used the attachment manager below. Please let me know if you get this.
I posted a screen shot replay but do not see it . . . pardon a double if that is that happens. I used the attachment manager below. Please let me know if you get this.
Thanks,
Danny C.
Hi again Danny. I did find an easy control for the song memo that creates a floating window:
If you uncheck the Summary check box, the BIAB generated notes about the song disappears and you are left with a floating blank window for any kind of memos and can adjust the font size to your liking. It doesn't look like you can dock this window inside the new UI, but it easily can be sized and placed side by side with a resized BIAB window which I think gives you what you want with 2026. Here is my mock-up of what I think you are looking for. (The chords I have entered in the chord sheet are just gibberish testing different font settings)
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Thanks that could work, as long as I do not have to do that for every song. So when a new song is brought up will the split screen automatically be brought up like it used to? Or will I have to configure the screen like this for every song in my set?
Don't know if the windows will remain "sticky", but they might. I am sure they will if just loading another song. But not sure if you close biab and then reopen.
If you are going to post pictures of a font you like in BIAB, please add an example of a complex chord. For example, let me see D13(b9,#11)/Eb
Great suggestion. I will ask PG about this supposed custom option (I don't think it really is custom) and then possibly put together an example post with your suggestion of course. I'll see what I can come up with from PG for clarification first.
(Can't remember how many times I've ever played that though )
BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.
Thanks so very LARGE for all the help. I just hope it remains "sticky" if if just for the session that way it will only have to be done once on the gig.
PS: Seems like it would be a pretty simple fix for PG Music to get it to stay there if indeed it does not. Well see.
As per Danny's method of using BIAB "live", I have 2 brothers who are doing exactly that, using the Jukebox function. Here are a couple of screenshot samples. LLOYD S
Not sure how the attachments are suppose to appear. I may not have the method down.
That's the ticket, but do they have to set up the screen like this for every song, or is it saved automatically when closed, and opened on the same screen as when closed?
That's the ticket, but do they have to set up the screen like this for every song, or is it saved automatically when closed, and opened on the same screen as when closed?
Thank you Sir!
From what I can tell from experimenting with 2026, the Lyrics Document window state / position doesn't get saved with a 'View'.
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