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Originally Posted by shlind
My problem normally is with the alignment and time mapping, the midi get skewed with the resulting notation cluttered with rests)

SMP exports midi with tempo map, so if you import the midi BEFORE the audio, the your audio track will be perfectly aligned with bars on your project.

This also works with songs recorded without metronome.

The key here is to make sure you select "time" as your time base for items, in your project settings, otherwise it won't work. This works for Reaper, other DAWS should have similar settings.

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Thanks, I will try that.


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Originally Posted by DrDan
What an interesting new product from SMP. They currently have this feature in the SMP package so I only assume (and hope) that they are equal, short of the VST ARA stuff which is of course a plus but for me will not get me to pay more. Or if the new AI is better, than I hope they update SMP.

I am not sure. I get the feeling that the algorithms are enhanced in Prism but I don't know. There is a quistion about this in the SMP FB Forum but it has not been answered yet (I am waiting to see)-

Anyway my feeling is that the default midi output is more clean and ready from Prism.
It is quite easy to compare the default midi outputs from Prism and SMP it is just to line them up in a DAW.


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Originally Posted by shlind
I am not sure. I get the feeling that the algorithms are enhanced in Prism but I don't know. There is a quistion about this in the SMP FB Forum but it has not been answered yet (I am waiting to see)-

That is ME over in SMP FB. grin I think they are the same. We will see what they have to say.


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They did not give a clear answer in the FB forum just pointed to a Prism guide document, but it is not clear from that document either.

In Prism I can select between 3 different algoritms, I can't find that option in SMP.
Anyway I just bought it it is nice to have the tool in the DAW as well (also I find the default midi output more clean and ready from Prism)


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I asked John the same question, he said the algorithm is new and considerably better than the one in SMP. I asked him as well if he has plans to integrate the new MIDI editor in SMP (wich would be great), maybe as an option for people who have bought both products or as an add on, and he said that he will definitely add that, but still has to think how to do it.

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You will shortly see that BIAB now provides this same AI capability - transcribe any external audio, or internal audio track (including any stem audio) to midi. Worth checking out.


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Thanks all for clarifying that this new program, Prism, has features beyond that in Song Master Pro, in addition to its working in a DAW directly. And Dan is right to mention that BIAB just added its own new audio to MIDI feature.


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Just downloaded the 2026 version and tried this new feature, I just need to keep testing it, but it looks promising.


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I have worked on two efforts to convert stems to midi in this new BIAB AI. In both cases the midi was surprizingly good. Yes, promising indeed.


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Originally Posted by DrDan
I have worked on two efforts to convert stems to midi in this new BIAB AI. In both cases the midi was surprizingly good. Yes, promising indeed.

I am playing around with a song I am doing in BIAB. It uses the train beat boomchick 16. Since these files are already on separate tracks no need for stem separation and no bleed from other tracks. I wanted to see how well it could convert the file to a Midi file to be used with EZ Drummer 3 instead of the RD's.
It did do a fair job but it is not without flaw that is for sure.


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This is a new type of a Drum Stem Separator just for Drums. It separates the drums into their separate kick, snare, and so on.
ReStem


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I have worked on two efforts to convert stems to midi in this new BIAB AI. In both cases the midi was surprizingly good. Yes, promising indeed.

Yes I agree. I have also tested with a few songs. In particular a simple violin melody with some organ background. And for this simple test I am impressed with the BIAB audi to midi to notation conversion. I compared the midi with the default audio to midi conversion in Prism and Melodyne and to me it seems that the BIAB version is more clean and ready and matched the audio overall very well (only some minor things). But I am especially impressed by the notation quite accurat, clean and easy to read for my purpose but I am no musician.
I really like the concept of having the "notation" with the midi at the same time. This was a test for one simple song only it might be a different result for other types of music. (only tested it with the default settings no sensitivity tunings)


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This is a new type of a Drum Stem Separator just for Drums. It separates the drums into their separate kick, snare, and so on.
ReStem

There is also the TRACKER in SD3 (SuperiorDrummer3 Toontrack) for this type of work.
Might be worth checking out (extract the drum stems and convert to midi).
Although it is a more sofisticated software and quite expencive. They have a crossgrade price from EZD3 and it was on sale (now ended).


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Pretty unscientific. Conclusion based only on listening [A, B, C] to the final track. Care to listen yourself?

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