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My problem normally is with the alignment and time mapping, the midi get skewed with the resulting notation cluttered with rests) SMP exports midi with tempo map, so if you import the midi BEFORE the audio, the your audio track will be perfectly aligned with bars on your project. This also works with songs recorded without metronome. The key here is to make sure you select "time" as your time base for items, in your project settings, otherwise it won't work. This works for Reaper, other DAWS should have similar settings.
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What an interesting new product from SMP. They currently have this feature in the SMP package so I only assume (and hope) that they are equal, short of the VST ARA stuff which is of course a plus but for me will not get me to pay more. Or if the new AI is better, than I hope they update SMP. I am not sure. I get the feeling that the algorithms are enhanced in Prism but I don't know. There is a quistion about this in the SMP FB Forum but it has not been answered yet (I am waiting to see)- Anyway my feeling is that the default midi output is more clean and ready from Prism. It is quite easy to compare the default midi outputs from Prism and SMP it is just to line them up in a DAW.
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I am not sure. I get the feeling that the algorithms are enhanced in Prism but I don't know. There is a quistion about this in the SMP FB Forum but it has not been answered yet (I am waiting to see)- That is ME over in SMP FB.  I think they are the same. We will see what they have to say.
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They did not give a clear answer in the FB forum just pointed to a Prism guide document, but it is not clear from that document either.
In Prism I can select between 3 different algoritms, I can't find that option in SMP.
Anyway I just bought it it is nice to have the tool in the DAW as well (also I find the default midi output more clean and ready from Prism)
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I asked John the same question, he said the algorithm is new and considerably better than the one in SMP. I asked him as well if he has plans to integrate the new MIDI editor in SMP (wich would be great), maybe as an option for people who have bought both products or as an add on, and he said that he will definitely add that, but still has to think how to do it.
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You will shortly see that BIAB now provides this same AI capability - transcribe any external audio, or internal audio track (including any stem audio) to midi. Worth checking out.
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Thanks all for clarifying that this new program, Prism, has features beyond that in Song Master Pro, in addition to its working in a DAW directly. And Dan is right to mention that BIAB just added its own new audio to MIDI feature.
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Just downloaded the 2026 version and tried this new feature, I just need to keep testing it, but it looks promising.
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I have worked on two efforts to convert stems to midi in this new BIAB AI. In both cases the midi was surprizingly good. Yes, promising indeed.
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I have worked on two efforts to convert stems to midi in this new BIAB AI. In both cases the midi was surprizingly good. Yes, promising indeed. I am playing around with a song I am doing in BIAB. It uses the train beat boomchick 16. Since these files are already on separate tracks no need for stem separation and no bleed from other tracks. I wanted to see how well it could convert the file to a Midi file to be used with EZ Drummer 3 instead of the RD's. It did do a fair job but it is not without flaw that is for sure.
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This is a new type of a Drum Stem Separator just for Drums. It separates the drums into their separate kick, snare, and so on. ReStem
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I have worked on two efforts to convert stems to midi in this new BIAB AI. In both cases the midi was surprizingly good. Yes, promising indeed. Yes I agree. I have also tested with a few songs. In particular a simple violin melody with some organ background. And for this simple test I am impressed with the BIAB audi to midi to notation conversion. I compared the midi with the default audio to midi conversion in Prism and Melodyne and to me it seems that the BIAB version is more clean and ready and matched the audio overall very well (only some minor things). But I am especially impressed by the notation quite accurat, clean and easy to read for my purpose but I am no musician. I really like the concept of having the "notation" with the midi at the same time. This was a test for one simple song only it might be a different result for other types of music. (only tested it with the default settings no sensitivity tunings)
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This is a new type of a Drum Stem Separator just for Drums. It separates the drums into their separate kick, snare, and so on. ReStemThere is also the TRACKER in SD3 (SuperiorDrummer3 Toontrack) for this type of work. Might be worth checking out (extract the drum stems and convert to midi). Although it is a more sofisticated software and quite expencive. They have a crossgrade price from EZD3 and it was on sale (now ended).
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Pretty unscientific. Conclusion based only on listening [A, B, C] to the final track. Care to listen yourself? ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=31847&filename=AI Transcription from Audio to MIDI - SMP, PRISM, BIAB.jpg)
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Have any Sonar by Cakewalk users tried Prism? Its product page states that it works with it, being an ARA 2-Supporting DAW, but when I try o load it into Sonar, I get an error message stating "ARA host isn't detected". Have reached out to the developer. Meanwhile, have any other Sonar users seen this?
A second question, for those who've gotten it to work, regardless of your DAW how would you rate it against the new BIAB feature's take? I've been midi-fying polyphonic audio with Melodyne for a good while, but success has been mixed ; sometimes very competent, other times, ghost notes galore and a pain to clean up, even when the signal is, as recommended, clean and dry. I must say the Prism demo video makes it look like potential holy grail
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No holy grail here. Was working with both PRISM and SMP today. Dropouts in both. But both better than Melodyn which had a ton of ghost notes. In all three cases working with stems. I think it is just as good as it gets for todays tech but will likely get better.
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Cakewalk - don’t know.
BIAB new feature - don’t know.
Prism in action - in my very brief testing, the thing that impressed me immediately was the sensitivity adjustment. It reminded me of my astronomy software, where the deep sky looks entirely different if the faintest star is magnitude 2 in a city, or 6 in a desert. MIDI artifacts can be refined to the disappearance point.
I read that Song Master Pro said that Prism’s algorithm is better than Song Master Pro’s.
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Have any Sonar by Cakewalk users tried Prism? Its product page states that it works with it, being an ARA 2-Supporting DAW, but when I try o load it into Sonar, I get an error message stating "ARA host isn't detected". Have reached out to the developer. Meanwhile, have any other Sonar users seen this?
A second question, for those who've gotten it to work, regardless of your DAW how would you rate it against the new BIAB feature's take? I've been midi-fying polyphonic audio with Melodyne for a good while, but success has been mixed ; sometimes very competent, other times, ghost notes galore and a pain to clean up, even when the signal is, as recommended, clean and dry. I must say the Prism demo video makes it look like potential holy grail Not sure how Sonar is using ARA2 these days but in Studio One Pro I have to insert Prism as a Event FX on the selected track. Melodyne and some other ARA apps work different than that in Studio One. I saved this track from BIAB RT "All RealTracks Demo! Guitar, Bass, Pedal Steel BBPiano_Real 364 Guitar, Acoustic, Fingerpicking Ev 065_SingleRender_DragDrop". I used Prism inside of Studio One Pro convert the wave to midi. I then used a Ample Martin guitar VSTI to play the midi file. I must say as a guitar player myself it did a very good job. Make sure it is single instrument and of good quality for the best results. However I tried different stuff and it was not perfect and would need a bunch of editing for sure. BIAB has a lot of transcribed midi with some of the newer real tracks that are actually quite good.
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Thanks Doc! May I ask, what type of stems did you use it to convert?
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