Apparently, you have to go by the midi styles, which do interpret the chords fully in the chord sheet. The real styles do not have that full interpretation of the chords in the chord sheet, so you would have to listen to how it sounds. A standard notation system should be used by BIAB. So what is the collection of chords that are important in BIAB? This needs to be reviewed and we need to see what the chord translation in the chord sheet gives.
I’m clearly not understanding the issue here, because every chord is important and BIAB does follow a standard. It’s just that there are several standards and they can differ.
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I am afraid I don't understand what you are trying to do.
The nomenclature the BIAB uses for chords is of course standardized to best possible. There remain the fact take the naming of chords does have differences. That fact however, is common across the board.
Is that what you are having a problem with? Or is it this...
Below is an example of the requirements for a Text File to be used to input chords to BIAB. AI should know this but I have seen that to not always be the case.
These are the BIAB rules for the text file to be used to input chords. The short examples below shows four beats per bar If there is only 1 chord between bars it will get get a whole Note duration. If only 2 chords per bar each will get 2 beats or a half not each. If three chords in a bar each will get a 1/4 note with a 1/4 rest on beat 4 of the bar. Max is four chords per bar with each getting a quarter note.
[Chords] | Cm Eb| Bb Cm Cm Eb| Bb| Cm| Cm| Eb| Bb| Cm| Cm| [ChordsEnd]
You just need to copy and paste this little text code into BIAB
The orignal proposal was to copy a list of all BIAB Chords. Then give that to AI along with the "rules" and ask AI to create a single text file. This part worked well, in fact AI made the BIAB chords list for me. In my first attempt something went afoul. I have not had time to repeat the effort.
The idea was to conduct a test to listen to all BIAB chords as MIDI block chords. The problem now is to collect all the chords that are possible in BIAB to play in the chordsheet, but it seems that this is not possible with AI to get those chords
The chord sheet must recognise them, otherwise it is useless. I know how to copy and paste the chords in BIAB, I have done that a few times, but the progression showed gaps because BIAB did not recognise the chord. I'm curious to know which chords are now recognised in the chord sheet.
I’m clearly not understanding the issue here, because every chord is important and BIAB does follow a standard. It’s just that there are several standards and they can differ.
The issue here is that AI cannot provide a complete list of all chords ,which are possible in BIAB, because different notation systems are used in the chord sheet. The only thing you can do is have AI compile a list of all possible chord types and enter this into BIAB.
Of course, some chords will be left out of the progression, as I have already experienced. Then you have to try to get them to work manually in BIAB.
You can use ai further for this chords list. This list is made from the chordbuilder Triads Added-Tone Chords Seventh Chords Extended Chords Altered Dominant Chords Suspended Chords Altered Suspended Chords Color & Effect Chords
That listing would need to be reconciled with the BIAB manual, but it looks good to me and is a good starting point to finish what I tried to do yesterday. So I just added [chords] to the first line and [chordsend] to the last line, copied and pasted-special into BIAB. Then I used the chord feature [with chord feature be sure to check "complex chords" in BIAB along with the Notation view and Chord view . Interesting (and curiously odd ) results.
By the way, I don't believe that the style has any thing to do with how the chords are built! Oh, and one more thing, I think this subject has been well discussed in past years. So no real surprizes here.
Well done. Of course, BIAB has been around for so long, so the chords will often be a topic of conversation, and now again. The chords do show that there is a maximum of a 4-note chord.
In the picture, the bar numbers 33...36 all show the same chord ? Of course, you have diatonic chords (to the scale) chords, and based on C major, you can't make all the chords that are listed, right? diatonic chords (to the scale) C | Dm | Em | F | G | Am | Bdim | , recognise the basic chords Cmaj7 | Dm7 | Em7 | Fmaj7 | G7 | Am7 | Bm7♭5 | Cmaj9 | Dm9 | Em9 | Fmaj9 | G9 | Am9 | Bm7♭5(9) | Dm11 | Em11 | Fmaj11 | Am11 | Cmaj13 | Dm13 | Em13 | Fmaj13 | G13 | Am13
I'm working on pop chords, and compared to jazz chords, these are simple. Nice work with that chord overview in PDF.
This is an interesting test scenario and I’ll try to find some time to work on it. If your goal is to make a test song that will play all possible chord types so you can audition the chords, and you are using RealTracks, then at a minimum you must turn off Natural Arrangement. BIAB will attempt to make sense of a nonsensical chord progression unless you do this. What other problems might arise from BIAB’s attempts to use the artificial intelligence for sensible voice leading, I don’t know.
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I do have a chord progression, but don't know how to test this yet ? DrDan , your test is made with c major scale , so some chords will be not audible.
Then the question is: which chords can BIAB play, and which scales do they belong to?
DrDan , your test is made with c major scale , so some chords will be not audible.
?? Not sure what to make of this statement. While the root note of all the chords you provided was C, they certainly are not diatonic to the key of C. Nor limited to the C major scale. If I named something "key of C", that is incorrect. All these chords were audible. Well, except "CBlues" which is poorly named as a chord and BIAB ignored. So I am still not sure where you are going with this, but thats OK. I will just follow along.
To see all of the chords that BiaB is capable of playing click on options/chord builder/chord picker then on the drop down memu. See pic.
But as noted many RTs may not play all of these chords.
This leads me to this. Maybe if BiaB and RB could incorporate ARA2 then one could run a program like Melodyne and BiaB simultaneously to generate the exact chord and chord inversion one is looking for via copy, and paste.
I use Melodyne in my DAW to rework RTs so I know that the process does work. The question is can BiaB and RB incorporate AAR2.
The what scale goes with what chord is theory and that information is available on the Internet and in many theory books.
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We can't look under the bonnet of BIAB to see exactly how it's programmed musically.
You can't create all those chords you can enter into BIAB with the C major scale, can you?
All the chords are audible, but not with the correct notes, because there is an example in the picture of four bars that have different chord symbols but show the same notes in the chord.
You also have this situation in Cubase. I do not know the answer to this.
I’m still lost. The key it’s in has no bearing on the discussion here. Having the ‘wrong’ key signature can produce wrong enharmonic spellings and an occasional bad choice of upper extension, but my comments on that fell flat with no acknowledgement or interest.
The chord images are not correct, but the chord symbols are. So yes, you can only listen to the chord quality in a song. It is important to know which chords you are dealing with, because they can be divided into a number of groups. Thank you.
One more thing Matt. Do you remember a few years ago there was a guy (... had his own web site and wrote BIAB styles and backing for some high end Jazz arrangement). He pretty much set PGM on fire with his claims that the midi chords were not doing what they claimed to do.
It's not difficult to find software that can play all BIAB chords, but the question remains: why can't BIAB do this? It must have something to do with the style, right? A jazz style will recognise the chord notes if a jazz chord is used. So doesn't the test with the chords tell us everything? This is the musical programming of BIAB; I can't think of anything else.
Well done. Of course, BIAB has been around for so long, so the chords will often be a topic of conversation, and now again. The chords do show that there is a maximum of a 4-note chord.
In the picture, the bar numbers 33...36 all show the same chord ?
If you generate a chord track and set the options to create complex chords, more advanced chords will be created.
Dan, after reading Noel’s post, that result makes more sense.
Oh yes, Dzjang, knows theory very well and his posts concentrated on bass line choices for chords. Very revealing info.
Noel, as far as I knew, that setting affected only Preferences, Output Chords to an external MIDI device. I haven’t used that function in a decade. I see now it applies to copying the chords to a utility track. Thanks.
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That listing would need to be reconciled with the BIAB manual, but it looks good to me and is a good starting point to finish what I tried to do yesterday. So I just added [chords] to the first line and [chordsend] to the last line, copied and pasted-special into BIAB. Then I used the chord feature [with chord feature be sure to check "complex chords" in BIAB along with the Notation view and Chord view . Interesting (and curiously odd 
) results.
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