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Originally Posted by rharv
Apparently I've been doing it wrong all these years.
I'd invite a girl to the show instead of hoping to find one in the crowd .. <sigh>
By the time we finished playing I just wanted to go home and get some sleep.
I feel sorry for you man . . . heartfelt condolences. Didn't you consider strong coffee if you could't stay awake?

I never had a problem, had girlfriends all thru high school. Not because I was in a band (I took up music late in life) but because I was of a few guys that wasn’t bashful on the dance floor. These lovely and delicate creatures, full of ribbons, curls, perfume and soft were literally intoxicating and overwhelmed any bashfulness I may have had.

I should have sued the Campbell Soup company for stealing my motto:
M’m, M’m, Good! smile

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Miller suggests that under the conditions that would have existed throughout most of our evolutionary history in which music and dance were completely intertwined, musicianship/danceship would have been a sign of sexual fitness on two fronts. First, anyone who could sing and dance was advertising to potential mates his stamina and overall good health, physical and mental. Second, anyone who had become expert or accomplished in music and dance was advertising that he had enough food and sturdy enough shelter that he could afford to waste valuable time on developing a purely unnecessary skill.


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I hope you were being funny and intentionally jumped my point/joke.
I didn't go to shows hoping I'd get lucky.
I had already secured that before entering. smile

/much as BassThumper and I kid each other I do consider him a friend wink
//I do not give out my email address without consideration

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Originally Posted by MarioD
The reason I started playing guitar was because I saw other guitarist get the girls!
The irony is that the one I married I did not meet at a gig.

I was totally surprised the first time. I knew the girls went for singers, my older sister was crazy for Elvis Presley, but I didn't know they liked musicians, too.

On the road in college towns, before DJs took that business, I met and romanced a lot of young girls. It was fun.

I married one, and sooner or later it wasn't fun anymore. It was as much my fault, as it was hers. I knew what I wanted in a relationship, but I didn't know what I didn't want. She had both, and I wasn't what she thought I'd become, either. We're still friendly.

After the divorce, I was back 'in circulation' but I wasn't interested in getting married. Then I met this goddess who was in another band. We were each other's groupies for a while, both our bands broke up within a couple of weeks of each other. We ended up in the same, new 5-piece band. It turned into a 6 then a 4 and went through personnel problems resulting in us being out of work 3 months in one year.

That was in 1985, and the girl, who is a world-class singer and also plays guitar and synth, decided to become a duo. The gigs weren't as glamorous, but the money per person was better, and we both had strong work ethics. I could make backing tracks on a 4 track, Teac, reel-to-reel, tape machine and mix them to cassettes. The only time we've been out of work since, was during the COVID lockdown.

I eventually married that girl, and we're living happily ever after.

Although I met Mrs. Notes at a gig, she wasn't there as a fan, but as a peer.


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Originally Posted by MarioD
This is the reality for many guitarist:
HaHa, that image is pretty funny. And Tom Jones may say “That’s right!, Ditch the guitar, I did.”

But back to the book.
He recounts a story where he had dinner with Joni Mitchell where Joni told him she would work with top-shelf bass players where each one would ask for the chord sheet so they could ensure that they’d hit the root notes to provide a solid harmonic foundation. [A sentiment I totally get as a bass player].

But let’s back up a bit. According Levitin, Joni never took guitar or other lessons and had no training in music theory. She used a lot of alternate tunings of her own choosing that she could talk for hours about. These tunings and her unique compositional style resulted in avant-garde music that spanned folk, rock and jazz. She would throw together notes in such a way that the chords couldn’t easily be labeled. She simply could not tell those bass players the root.

“Joni’s genius was she creates chords that are ambiguous, chords that could have two or more different roots.”

But then Jaco Pastorious showed up and he didn’t ask for the root notes, he would “float along” thru the song and Joni loved it. He was the only bass player that could understand where Joni’s head was coming from.

“The brilliance of Jaco, Joni said, is that he instinctively knew to wander around the possibility space, reinforcing the different chord interpretations with equal emphasis, sublimely holding the ambiguity in a delicate, suspended balance.”

Now Jaco had other personality traits that made it hard to work with, including causing mayhem backstage, but on the subject of ambiguous chords, he and Joni were on the same page. So Joni put up with his antics.

Personally, Jaco, is not a “bass hero” of mine and there are only a few Joni Mitchell songs I can honestly say I like. At least at this point in time, I’m firmly in the camp of “give me unambiguous chords”. 😊 Nonetheless, I admire them both. Even though I don't find ambiguous music pleasing, I do admire those with a certain genius that can transcend music theory.

There’s much more to this and other interesting stories, I suggest buy the book to understand it all.


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