I just logged into the "My Presonus" account and I see that Presonus Studio One is now Fender Studio Pro (with the release of Fender Studio Pro version 8). I have the subscription, so I'll get all the new stuff. Getting ready to download and take a look at it.
Yes, a huge surprise. I write in Notion 6 for Desktop, and that was just announced as discontinued. I’m not convinced Fender’s notation will have all the features. The mobile app does not.
I’m a beta tester. We had no warning.
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I sometimes use Notion 6 also. I'll look for the discontinuation notice. Do you know if they will remove activation (in the event of re-installation, or will it just become a dead product - just because it's discontinued doesn't mean it shouldn't continue to work, right?)
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Notion 6 didn’t need reauthorization when ported over on my Mac using Migration Assistant. That said, it was never fully 64bit so some functions haven’t worked in years. We were promised Notion 7 “soon” in 2021 so the upgrade is only 4+ years late. Fender bought Presonus November 2021. Only the iPad and iOS versions have remained current.
Desktop notation apps haven’t made money in years on their own. All of the current serious offerings are tied to other products—or that’s the plan in the case of Dorico/Steinberg/Yamaha. You want MusicXML in Pro Tools—gotta have Sibelius. MuseScore is free as it’s the gateway to Muse Group, the Russian concern based in Cyprus fueled by Ultimate Guitar that paid 10 figures to acquire Hal Leonard in a cash deal. The real money in the music industry is Publishing. Why Peaksware didn’t do the same with Finale to feed Alfred Publishing/MakeMusic Online in the same fashion is anyone’s guess but they allowed Finale to go under—may have something to do with the 10s of users who frequent the support boards. There are a few one-person shops out there but none of their offerings are worth mentioning. I’ve not heard from Don Williams about Encore in awhile and he’s not returned my calls—it will surprise me if anything happens there.
Fender didn’t show at NAMM year before last and was there last year by appointment only last year. Next week I’ll be down in Anaheim and will see if they how they are pushing this rebranding of Presonus. Perhaps I’ll learn if they intend to upgrade Notion. Not holding out hope.
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Update: I just read today's announcement. When Notion 7 for the desktop is released, it will be folded into the Studio Pro subscription—no permanent license. Oh goody...
Since Notion 6 for Mac was never updated to be able to use use 64bit VIs in the last 4+ years, Fender lost any chance of seeing more money from me for what has essentially been deadware.
I still use Notion for iPadOS. I wasn't happy when it became a separate product from Notion for iOS after Fender bought Presonus so have only kept the ipad version up to date.
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The offer of a 'Perpetual License' for Fender Studio Pro is quite appealing. The subscription model has never appealed to me.
Certainly they have done some excellent work with the UI.
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Here is more info and a Gregor video. I happen to be a Fender guy and am happy to hear the same development team in Germany will continue this fantastic DAW.
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What I read yesterday was about being able to authorize a reinstall to a new computer, restoring authorizations, stuff like that.
I’ll wait until the dust settles.
The the only time I authorized Notion 6 was on my 2010 iMac, four computers ago. It opens fine today, knows where all my old files are and pops my license info when I click on Activation. This is the first time I've opened it on my Mac Studio that I purchased in 2023.
As I mentioned before, I used Apple's Migration Assistant to bring it over each time, either from the older Mac or a Time Machine backup. The license screen has never appeared asking for re-authorization. However, when I clicked on Receive Licenses on the Software Activation screen, it connected and gave me a Success message. I've not tried it on my Tahoe test Volume yet.
This tells me the license file is stored locally and transferred each time. It would surprise me if the same is not true for the PC and once you know the correct file name and paths, restoring it to a new machine should be easy.
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Upgraded to version 8 of Fender Studio Pro, easy-peezy and it seamlessly launched the project I was working on just like previous versions would.
The GUI looks basically the same but one feature caught my eye. The metronome has been updated from a simple tick-tock time keeper to a full drum kit that can be instantly saved as a track which is smart enough to adjust it's tempo to what your project is set to. You can also specify it to play half-time, normal or double-time . . . pretty cool stuff! .
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I watched the overview video. Remember, I am a Reaper Guy so I don't have any hands on knowledge Studio Pro. So with that understanding, I can tell you I didn't see anything I liked! Looked like a bunch of blote-ware. But of course that could just be me.
My interest is the new Fender audio interfaces. With 75 DB gain microphone preamps but I can't find the latency figures of these interfaces. They look really nice.
Like you I'm a Reaper user version two believe it or not and I use real band and band in a box of course as my.go to apps.of course It's all I need to do what I want.
Frankly I don't like subscription approaches for daws..
I wonder what the presonus products will be now.
Om
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My interest is the new Fender audio interfaces. With 75 DB gain microphone preamps but I can't find the latency figures of these interfaces. They look really nice. …
You’re not going to. Fender wants you to use a software app called Universal Control. It’s similar to apps used to compensate for latency but this it’s a whole lot more. Without it, many of the advertised features of the hardware will not work. Per the manual:
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Low-latency monitoring - Using Universal Control eliminates the latency associated with DAW I/O buffering that makes monitoring problematic for the performer. By removing the DAW’s software input monitoring feature from the monitoring signal flow altogether, the need to adjust I/O buffer sizes and latency is no longer an issue. • Send / Cue buses - Universal Control has stereo aux buses, with independent send levels per input. • Configuration management - Universal Control configurations can be saved and loaded to / from disk
The generation of chips being used since 2019 have lowered hardware latency to the theoretical limit. This appears to be a new chip series with increased gain and 32 bit resolution (but not 32 bit float) but no one using it is publishing the hardware latency.
I expect that next week at NAMM I’ll be seeing more interfaces like this. Last two years, Fender showed only to their dealers but not to the general show attendees. It will be interesting to see if that changes this year.
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Notion 6 will work the same in Studio Pro as it did in Studio One.
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Upgraded to version 8 of Fender Studio Pro, easy-peezy and it seamlessly launched the project I was working on just like previous versions would.
The GUI looks basically the same but one feature caught my eye. The metronome has been updated from a simple tick-tock time keeper to a full drum kit that can be instantly saved as a track which is smart enough to adjust it's tempo to what your project is set to. You can also specify it to play half-time, normal or double-time . . . pretty cool stuff! .
Yes its nice and it can handle more complex signatures like 12/8 Where you have the option of how to count it. The Chord track has an Assistant that will statistically recommend next chords. It uses the same audio to MIDI libraries from Z-Plane that BIAB uses, but it is extremely straightforward and easy to use. The GUI, believe it or not, was almost completely redone with dozens and dozens of subtle changes to improve workflow. It has nice Fender modeled Amp Simulators for both Guitar and Bass.
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Yes its nice and it can handle more complex signatures like 12/8 Where you have the option of how to count it. The Chord track has an Assistant that will statistically recommend next chords. It uses the same audio to MIDI libraries from Z-Plane that BIAB uses, but it is extremely straightforward and easy to use. The GUI, believe it or not, was almost completely redone with dozens and dozens of subtle changes to improve workflow. It has nice Fender modeled Amp Simulators for both Guitar and Bass.
12/8 and other complex time sigs? I didn't notice that.
I did see a mention of Extract Notes and Extract Drums features, does this mean Melodyne is dead? And yes, I'm looking forward to using Fenders bass amp models.
From what I understand from Joe Gilder, the fear of the Fender "Suits" coming in and destroying Studio One never materialized. They actually wear blue jeans and are accomplished muscians in their own right and more importantly, understand that the team in Germany know what they are doing regarding GUIs, DAW features, AI and workflow; I guess time will give the final answer on whether they let the dev team continue to do their thing. I wonder if they'll announce anything at NAMM..
FWIW, a couple years back Presonus killed their support forum, but no worries, what replaced it, imho, is better. The folks that engage on the new forum are extreamly knowledgable and articulate and operate at very high levels. I've learned a lot from just lurking over there.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677 BiaB 2026 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
Yes its nice and it can handle more complex signatures like 12/8 Where you have the option of how to count it. The Chord track has an Assistant that will statistically recommend next chords. It uses the same audio to MIDI libraries from Z-Plane that BIAB uses, but it is extremely straightforward and easy to use. The GUI, believe it or not, was almost completely redone with dozens and dozens of subtle changes to improve workflow. It has nice Fender modeled Amp Simulators for both Guitar and Bass.
1) 12/8 and other complex time sigs? I didn't notice that.
2) I did see a mention of Extract Notes and Extract Drums features, does this mean Melodyne is dead? 3) And yes, I'm looking forward to using Fenders bass amp models.
4) From what I understand from Joe Gilder, the fear of the Fender "Suits" coming in and destroying Studio One never materialized. They actually wear blue jeans and are accomplished muscians in their own right and more importantly, understand that the team in Germany know what they are doing regarding GUIs, DAW features, AI and workflow; I guess time will give the final answer on whether they let the dev team continue to do their thing. I wonder if they'll announce anything at NAMM..
5) FWIW, a couple years back Presonus killed their support forum, but no worries, what replaced it, imho, is better. The folks that engage on the new forum are extreamly knowledgable and articulate and operate at very high levels. I've learned a lot from just lurking over there.
1) From the manual: In Fender Studio Pro, the beat duration divides a measure into musically meaningful divisions. To select a different beat duration, edit or insert a time signature and select the beat duration in the new time signature selector. There are four beat duration options to choose from (half, quarter, eighth, and sixteenth). By default, the beat duration is set to a quarter note for simple time signatures, and a dotted quarter note for compound time signatures. Alternatively, the current beat duration can be edited by clicking on the new beat duration indicator next to the tempo in the transport bar:
2) No Melodyne is not dead by any stretch of the imagination. It is still used for tuning, harmonizing and tempo mapping.
3) The Amp Sims are a higher quality than what was in Studio One but they're not the same algorithms as the high resolution $1800 Fender Tone Master.
4) It definitely has the fender branding everywhere now, But is developed by the same German developers as always And still heavily focuses on workflow.
5) yes well I was a moderator in the old forum for seven years. Many of my handbooks and deeper explain manuals did not get transferred to the new forum. The new form is run by customers just like you and I (Lukas) with QA guy from Presonus Software Limited (Ari) . Presonus like all software companies with the exception of PGM and Reaper have given up support via forums Instead use social media as it is much faster and hits a larger audience. i'm glad you like it.
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You'd think they would but I'm betting they already did with Monday's announcements.
The last two years, Fender was in attendance at NAMM but in an area not open to general attendees. A company has to make an appointment for their buyer who partners with a salesperson with a clipboard prepared to take your dealer order. Being the Owner/Admin for my company, I could sign someone up but I've never been a Fender dealer and don't intend to start now. I don't need to occupy the same niche as my local Guitar Center.
Like almost all attendees, I'm hoping that Fender is more visible at NAMM this year but I'm not holding my breath.
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where have you seen this annoncment hat Notion 7 will becomme part of fender studio pro subscription? Right now I run the desktop app on windows, but a "real" Notion 7 might be the better option. There is a learning curve with the app.
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I just bought SOP7 (not the subscription one) before Xmas to complete my DAW library - and I did. I still don't get why so many like it - I find it NOT intuitive but I have yet to find the perfect or even best DAW.
In any case, brought it, BIAB 2026. And a few other items then something hit me like a truck full of rocks fell on me. Initially thought it was a severe flare up of my sciatica- turns out it was a whole lot worse. Blood infection (still being treated) and L4/L5 crushed disk out of nowhere with no contributing falls, incorrect bending, lifting etc.
Hospitalized 20 Dec moved to skilled nursing facility on 2 Jan where I am now - missed Xmas, our wedding anniversary (two days after xmas), and New Years. Probably stuck here until either 30 Jan when I see infectious disease folks or at worst 10 Feb when my daily antibiotic treatment, via a PICC line, ends.
So far all treatment is 99% for the blood infection and very little physical/occupational therapy for back pain which is why I went to emergency room on 20 Dec in the first place - LOL.
PS- Wife has stage 3/4 lung cancer found in Jan last year. Should say."had" we are waiting for next PET/CT scan IN March to see how well post chemo & post radiation treatment with a now a every 6 week infusion has shrunk tumor further. She responded well to chemo and radiation treatment tumor shrunk significantly.
I'm a type 2 diabetic, with artificial aortic value and stent in LAD (96% blockage), aforementioned sciatica, as well as lost vision in right eye this past year (wet macula degeneration literally over night - went to bed on Sunday night early July woke up Monday blind).
Besides whining about my health issues. Reading about what's going on with S.O. reminds this aged pain riddled mediocre guitar player about Cakewalk, me dropping it a year out from Gibson letting Sonar Platinum (suppose to be "lifetime" upgrade product ha, ha, ha) go tango uniform.
I dont expect to see Studio One in a year or, two at the outside. But I am a pain ridden, semi- hospitalized eternal pessimist so it's probably the morphine talking - LOL
Good luck all Larry
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It has been quite a year for you and your wife. I can't express how sorry I am over your health issues. Both you and your wife are in my thoughts and prayers.
Blood infections are difficult to treat. It takes a long time to get the infection out of your body. Once the infection is gone I'm sure the doctors will work on repairing your crushed disk and rehab. I hope your wife's PET scan show positive results.
By the way, right now the morphine drip button is your best friend; enjoy it.
Larry, sorry to hear about all of your health problems. I hope you and your wife both have complete recoveries. Meanwhile take it easy, don't get to excited, and follow your doctor's orders.
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Hello Matt, I am not sure if Fender Notion does have all the features, I do not use the product on an expert Level. It does however all I can think of. Yet, there is a learning curve beyond getting used to the GUI. The shortcuts differ a lot. Besides entering note names (e. pressing "W" for whole note) other things have changed. You not get a "Slur" anymore from [SHIFT] S but it is [ALT] S now. And the less "important" an option is, the more deviation from what one is used to happens.
All the above applies to the Fender Notion Desktop App from the Windows App Store (I do not know about other Versions behaviour). And just Like Fender Studio is a "minimalised" Version of Fender Studio Pro, Fender Notion is not Fender Notion Desktop! While Fender Notion is free (as far as I know), this full fledged Notion is part of the suscription. You only have Access with a Subscription to Fender Studio Pro +
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In case anyone else misunderstood the terms for getting the Fender Studio Pro upgrade: I had purchased the non-subscription Presonus Studio Pro 7 and just found that Fender Studio Pro was registered to me as a gift in January. So if you think this is an extra cost upgrade, can't hurt to check your account...
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It appears that I can still use Notion 6 on my Mac except that it can't use 64 bit plugins and VIs... that doesn't fly.
Ok... There's a "free" Fender Notion 7 upgrade in the App Store that will open my .notion files but wait—it can't be installed on my Mac ?!?!/!? On further poking around, this will only run on my iPad as a sidecar to my Mac. Oh hell no. I do have Notion for iPad and that upgrade was free last month but I'm not using it as a sidecar app.
I hadn't fired up the desktop version in a couple years, my client who needed me to have Notion upgraded his copy of Sibelius so that need is gone. Yes, I can open these files in Studio Pro but I have no need for yet anther DAW. I never created new work in N5/6 anyway so farewell to yet another notation app that has outlived its usefulness.
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I have been using Studio One from version 5.5. I kind of lucked in to Fender Studio Pro. I was having so many issues with my Apollo Duo (drivers) I put it up on Facebook Marketplace and sent it down the road. I purchased a Presonus a Quantam ES 2 and it came with 6 mos subscription and a perpetual version of Studio One 7. I did not like the path the software I felt is was leaving out the guitar players and focusing on the Electronic music. Then boom two weeks later Fender Studio Pro. This was right up my alley. The Fender Mustang Native is a really cool plugin and the Tonalics was a nice add but limited. Very expensive for the subscription. I really like the way Universal Studio integrates with my Atom SQ, Faderport 8, and Quantam ES2. I dont mic amps any more as I am also using a Helix LT. The Helix Native and Mustang Native both sound really cool on dry tracks.. I have used the extract tracks and it works really good. I wanted to create guitar tabs of my solos with Notion 6 and melodyne but found it very inaccurate and frustrating.
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