Looks like Celemony, makers of Melodyne, just raised the bar in music generation. https://www.tonalic.com/index.html As far as I can tell it is browser based and not AI prompt based.
Got that email. Looks interesting but I certainly wish there were some demos. Otherwise, it looks like samples being manipulated by AI—which explains being browser based to harness monster server farms. Haven’t found anything yet that lets me make the music I want. Demos may convince me otherwise.
Till then, BIAB is working for me. I used it on a couple tracks on my last album.
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Tonalic's It is a new paradigm. It's local (ARA or VST3), is not AI, loops or MIDI, but has full fidelity professionally recorded musicians playing along with your chord progression. Each bar blends with the next has smart or adjustable voice leading adjustable feel and can groove sync with the other musicians in the song, Built on Celemony’s DNA technology, it reacts like a real musician would — following your track instead of forcing you to follow it. It produces endless variations, human nuance, and one‑of‑a‑kind results.
Sound familiar?
Studio One (latest version), Win 11 23H2 , i9 -10940X 3.3 GHz, 32GB Mem, a 4K 40" monitor, PreSonus Studio Live III Console as interface/controller. secondarily test on Reaper, Cakewalk, and S1 on Surface Pro 3 Win 10 (latest versions).
My only gripe would be it is subscription based. I have enough subs right now for many things. I see you can purchase it but then get no updates after the year. But still, that is a cool idea Seems similar to BiaB with a few twists that being the ability to fine tune it better. As a VSTi version it should work inside BiaB and or RB. I would imagine coupled with the new Fender Studio one and it's own library, the BiaB plugin, and this new product one could make some tasty tracks.
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If you are a current owner of Melodyn watch your emial:
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Would you like to try Tonalic? For you, as a Melodyne user, we’ve prepared as a special gift a product not available for purchase: Tonalic essential. Offering an exclusive selection of guitar material, this small edition of Tonalic comes complete with all the functions and musical intelligence of the larger editions. And, what’s more, no time limit! The license will never expire.
Please bear with us at the outset, though. With so much about Tonalic that is new, we want to roll it out slowly to make sure everything is functioning correctly. This may take a few more days, but as soon as we’re set, we’ll leave a free Tonalic essential license in your user account and notify you by e-mail.
Also that subscription is not as bad as it may sound. Once you download any content - it is fully on your hard drive - forever to be used. The subscription opens open new available content each month. Over the course of the first year, you could have everything you want and still have paid less than you know what.
If you are a current owner of Melodyn watch your emial:
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Would you like to try Tonalic? For you, as a Melodyne user, we’ve prepared as a special gift a product not available for purchase: Tonalic essential. Offering an exclusive selection of guitar material, this small edition of Tonalic comes complete with all the functions and musical intelligence of the larger editions. And, what’s more, no time limit! The license will never expire.
Please bear with us at the outset, though. With so much about Tonalic that is new, we want to roll it out slowly to make sure everything is functioning correctly. This may take a few more days, but as soon as we’re set, we’ll leave a free Tonalic essential license in your user account and notify you by e-mail.
Also that subscription is not as bad as it may sound. Once you download any content - it is fully on your hard drive - forever to be used. The subscription opens open new available content each month. Over the course of the first year, you could have everything you want and still have paid less than you know what.
Are you sure about that..? Impressive video, I am intrigued... I will follow this thread with much interest... I've been a registered Melodyne user for years, but no emails from Celemony... This is the first I've heard about this product.
Are you sure about that..? Impressive video, I am intrigued... I will follow this thread with much interest... I've been a registered Melodyne used for years, but no emails from Celemony... until now, this is the first I've heard about product.
Yes he is. I received the same message.
Checkout person "Did you find everything OK"? Me "Why do you ask? Are you guys hiding stuff"?
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
My only gripe would be it is subscription based. .
Howdy Rob.... That is precisely why I stopped purchasing Cakewalk/Sonar several years ago after the release of Sonar Producer X3 which is still my DAW of choice since 1994. They went subscription based after that release and I said 'no thanks'. I have no interest with that paradigm even though it may become more ubiquitous with software creators. I have enough song writing tools to last me a lifetime anyway with Sonar Producer X3.
This looks like a more specialized version of BiaB that's focused primarily on plucked string instruments. Plucked string sound are likely easy to extract and they pitch shift well. As they mention, Melodyne's DNA has been able to do that for years. That's not the case for a lot of instruments - in particular, the human voice.
So once Tonalic has analyzed a riff from a guitar, it can pitch shift it another set of notes pretty easily. That means you don't need the lick repeated in every key for it to sound good. And not only can the pitches be shifted, but the entire timing can be modified. And you don't need as much recorded material.
Also, riffs are pretty malleable. So unlike instrument solos - like those in BiaB - Tonalic focuses on material that can be much more generic.
I suspect that Tonalic could work with solo instruments like BiaB, but it makes sense for them to focus on this type of material first, and perhaps exclusively.
This looks like a more specialized version of BiaB that's focused primarily on plucked string instruments. Plucked string sound are likely easy to extract and they pitch shift well. As they mention, Melodyne's DNA has been able to do that for years. That's not the case for a lot of instruments - in particular, the human voice.
So once Tonalic has analyzed a riff from a guitar, it can pitch shift it another set of notes pretty easily. That means you don't need the lick repeated in every key for it to sound good. And not only can the pitches be shifted, but the entire timing can be modified. And you don't need as much recorded material.
Also, riffs are pretty malleable. So unlike instrument solos - like those in BiaB - Tonalic focuses on material that can be much more generic.
I suspect that Tonalic could work with solo instruments like BiaB, but it makes sense for them to focus on this type of material first, and perhaps exclusively.
You're getting close with that description. It currently only has acoustic and electric guitars right down to the make and model, banjos, mandolins, other plucked instruments as well as acoustic drums and percussion instruments.
I'm sure overtime they will add piano and different keyboards. Is at this time primarily a live simulation of a rhythm player in your song.
Studio One (latest version), Win 11 23H2 , i9 -10940X 3.3 GHz, 32GB Mem, a 4K 40" monitor, PreSonus Studio Live III Console as interface/controller. secondarily test on Reaper, Cakewalk, and S1 on Surface Pro 3 Win 10 (latest versions).
There is a cross section of some of the same professional musicians that you are familiar with. There's some good techniques for PGM to learn how to narrow down the sound instrument and musician playing style as their library is highly categorized.
Wouldn’t it be great if Band‑in‑a‑Box let you search for something as specific as a Bossa Nova nylon‑string guitar part—finger‑picked, with strums on beats 1 and 4, and arpeggiated accents on beats 2, 3, 6, and 7—and then audition those variations directly in the context of your existing song before choosing one? In other words beat level matching.
Studio One (latest version), Win 11 23H2 , i9 -10940X 3.3 GHz, 32GB Mem, a 4K 40" monitor, PreSonus Studio Live III Console as interface/controller. secondarily test on Reaper, Cakewalk, and S1 on Surface Pro 3 Win 10 (latest versions).
Tonalic's It is a new paradigm. It's local (ARA or VST3), is not AI, loops or MIDI, but has full fidelity professionally recorded musicians playing along with your chord progression. Each bar blends with the next has smart or adjustable voice leading adjustable feel and can groove sync with the other musicians in the song, Built on Celemony’s DNA technology, it reacts like a real musician would — following your track instead of forcing you to follow it. It produces endless variations, human nuance, and one‑of‑a‑kind results.
Sound familiar?
Tonalic ARA: currently supported by Studio One Pro 7.2.3 or Fender Studio Pro 8. They will be adding more DAW's in the future. This applies to the ARA part.
BIAB 2026 Ultrapack- Fender Studio Pro 8, Windows 11, Mac Mini M4 with Logic Pro 11, Melodyne Studio, Luna Pro
Interesting concept, but $275 a year rental on special, $300 there after. No, thank you. I am not interested even if it is free. Cakewalk played that game with me and thousands of others. A tethered software that can be unplugged any time they wish to do so (even after mr.Meng promised "decades", at time when Gibson went belly up). No subs or tethered software for me please.
What PGM should do is make use of AI + their catalog to enhance and expand existing RTs, so they have more variation, different octaves, inversions, etc. Make User Tracks creating process in line with a second quarter of 21st century... again, perhaps making use of AI, so there are no "shortages" of genres and other qualities.
I am not interested even if it is free. No subs or tethered software for me please.
What PGM should do is make use of AI + their catalog to enhance and expand existing RTs, so they have more variation, different octaves, inversions, etc. Make User Tracks creating process in line with a second quarter of 21st century... again, perhaps making use of AI, so there are no "shortages" of genres and other qualities.
Fair opinions. Add to that AI for searching. I mean, PGM already dabbled with it a little with the help searching.
Studio One (latest version), Win 11 23H2 , i9 -10940X 3.3 GHz, 32GB Mem, a 4K 40" monitor, PreSonus Studio Live III Console as interface/controller. secondarily test on Reaper, Cakewalk, and S1 on Surface Pro 3 Win 10 (latest versions).
Yes, they rapidly need to fix the searching i BIAB. To me everything else falls flat until they have fixed the searching. The huge content becomes more or less useless if you can't find what you are looking for. Even suggested new features as above become very limited unless I can't find what I am looking for.
BIAB 2026, Studio One 7 Pro, Song Master Pro, Win11 Home. i7-9700K CPU, 32GB, ESI MAYA44eX, ZOOM UAC-2, Guitar Pro 8, Transcribe, (EZKeys2, EZD3, SD3, EZBass, EZMix3) Amateur: fiddle, guitar, vocal, beginner on bass.
I've been a registered Melodyne used for years, but no emails from Celemony... until now, this is the first I've heard about product.
I get email from Celemony of a regular basis with links to tips and suggestions on their website, updates as well. When registering or downloading updates, you have the option of opting out—I can guess that you did at some point.
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Tonalic ARA: currently supported by Studio One Pro 7.2.3 or Fender Studio Pro 8. They will be adding more DAW's in the future. This applies to the ARA part.
Huh. Bandlab's Sonar supports the ARA2 specification with Melodyne's plugin fully integrated as a regional effect.
I wonder what is different about Tonalic's ARA implementation that it won't work with ARA2 DAWs?
He meant ARA2. It's a brand new product so it definitely uses the state of the art in ARA2. It has only been tested and certified in Studio One 7.2.3 > Studio Pro 8. This is primarily due to its integrated into the Effects Browser of the DAW. It is an integrated process of dragging from the browser tab to the arrangement in the song. Also, for a DAW to be compatible it has to support ARA2 and a chord track. The VST3 plugin version is complete stand alone process.
Studio One (latest version), Win 11 23H2 , i9 -10940X 3.3 GHz, 32GB Mem, a 4K 40" monitor, PreSonus Studio Live III Console as interface/controller. secondarily test on Reaper, Cakewalk, and S1 on Surface Pro 3 Win 10 (latest versions).
I remember a time when I was using a Dell Axim X51 and a flip phone and swore I would never be forced into a subscription for a data plan. Now my flip phone and Axim have long since been recycled and I have subscription plans for an iPhone 16 and an iPad. We have really long since passed the point that we can compete in an AI world because the horsepower to run AI isn’t something that is affordable by the individual any longer.
I decided to take the plunge on the 1$ Studio plan and so far I’ve been deliberately trying to break it. It’s interesting that Celemony has decided to make the Essentials version of the software “later” after that make sure it’s ready to go, but they are fine releasing the paid versions now. I get the feeling that with the release of Fender Studio Pro 8 an the release of other softwere updates, they felt pressure to release as is. I’ve watched several videos and I’m on the left side of the learning curve but so far I’ve been able to screw up the timing and I’m not sure if its a feature or a bug. So far it’s not as easy as the promotional videos indicate but I’m going to give it a fair chance.
I decided to take the plunge on the 1$ Studio plan and so far I’ve been deliberately trying to break it. It’s interesting that Celemony has decided to make the Essentials version of the software “later” after that make sure it’s ready to go, but they are fine releasing the paid versions now. I get the feeling that with the release of Fender Studio Pro 8 an the release of other softwere updates, they felt pressure to release as is. I’ve watched several videos and I’m on the left side of the learning curve but so far I’ve been able to screw up the timing and I’m not sure if its a feature or a bug. So far it’s not as easy as the promotional videos indicate but I’m going to give it a fair chance.
Good for you mate. I am holding out for the Essentials version. But not sure how long I can wait. I sent a note to Celemony support yesterday to ask about timing. So I may be going down your path soon. Keep us updated.
Interesting concept, but $275 a year rental on special, $300 there after. No, thank you. I am not interested even if it is free. Cakewalk played that game with me and thousands of others. A tethered software that can be unplugged any time they wish to do so (even after mr.Meng promised "decades", at time when Gibson went belly up). No subs or tethered software for me please.
What PGM should do is make use of AI + their catalog to enhance and expand existing RTs, so they have more variation, different octaves, inversions, etc. Make User Tracks creating process in line with a second quarter of 21st century... again, perhaps making use of AI, so there are no "shortages" of genres and other qualities.
I'm not sure that there's much out there (other than Celemony's tools) that can disassemble and reassemble audio like this, but I haven't looked in a while. And besides, there's more than one way to solve this problem. Since pitch recognition is currently quite good, audio -> midi -> audio giving users direct access to notes is feasible in BiaB (assuming someone wanted that feature. It's there already a "Use Only Chord Tones" option that does this in BiaB?
A better search tool and "smart" connections (which BiaB sort of already has, due to the sampled progressions).
It seems there are a lot of ideas here that BiaB could use, at least in terms of the UI.
I am in for 1$ Until 30 days from now. Surprised to see the download includes a standalong app for auditioning and searching the content. And even more surprized that it runs in BIAB.
Someone on Gearspace posted their first couple of hours experience with it and said that there are artifacts after editing. Someone on the Recording and Mixing forum here said that you can just download all of its loops and then cancel the subscription, and I'm inclined to think that you can't do that and continue editing. The tech is so intertwined with the Tonalics program that to do proper editing you have to have Tonalics. The other thing the guy on Gearspace said is that there is no DI option. Not sure about that so I got in for a dollar and going to check it out over the weekend.
Someone on Gearspace posted their first couple of hours experience with it and said that there are artifacts after editing. Someone on the Recording and Mixing forum here said that you can just download all of its loops and then cancel the subscription, and I'm inclined to think that you can't do that and continue editing. The tech is so intertwined with the Tonalics program that to do proper editing you have to have Tonalics. The other thing the guy on Gearspace said is that there is no DI option. Not sure about that so I got in for a dollar and going to check it out over the weekend.
This is a quote from Tonalic: To search for and download the Tonalics, you need a good Internet connection. Once the required data is on your hard disk, however, you can just as easily work offline, but your access thereafter will be limited to the Tonalics you have already downloaded.
Then why not download the whole library? For one thing, because it's far too big (you couldn't download all Netflix or Spotify either, for that matter), but also because we are constantly improving and expanding the content. Online access ensures that users have access at all times to the latest and best versions of everything currently available.
BIAB 2026 Ultrapack- Fender Studio Pro 8, Windows 11, Mac Mini M4 with Logic Pro 11, Melodyne Studio, Luna Pro
The Tonalic auto download and stay up to date via online syncing. Online is not required except for online updates.
Tonalic's are not Loops. The are not MIDI. They are not just audio, They require the Tonalic engine to render to audio in real-time.
So, if your stop the subscription you would have to Freeze or Render your existing tracks first to keep them. In my experience the are very clean. At least as clean as the audiophile versions of BIAB.
If you want to change your Tonalic's say 6 months later you would have to re-subscribe for at least one month.
Studio One (latest version), Win 11 23H2 , i9 -10940X 3.3 GHz, 32GB Mem, a 4K 40" monitor, PreSonus Studio Live III Console as interface/controller. secondarily test on Reaper, Cakewalk, and S1 on Surface Pro 3 Win 10 (latest versions).
Got in for a dollar. A dollar thirty Canadian lol. It's pretty easy to use, and you can just duplicate parts on your timeline. If you zoom the timeline out you can do micro beats and chords. With guitar it's pretty extensive, rhythm chords, lines, arps, and other stuff. Pretty cool how you can just do anything on the timeline and it will adapt. Even different loops with different amp configs on the same track. So I was just adding some lines to a song that I've worked on a lot. So when I get the Essential I'll compare to the version I just bought and see what I really need. Maybe they'll add a DI option at a later date. Haven't really played with the effects yet so maybe you can just turn them all off.
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