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Time will tell. But likely it will not take much time to come to a conclusion. Stay tuned.
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No keyboard, brass, woodwind or strings? And subscription only?  BiaB keep moving forward 
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2026 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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As of right now, no. In the future, maybe. It will depend on things like will there be an increase in instruments , an increase in styles, etc. I think right now Tonalic will attract young people because it is slick and the ease of use. One thing I do like about Tonalic is how the leading tones change with a new chord. If this is true with all instruments then the transitions between chords will be very smooth; that is something IMHO PGM can/should improve. YMMV
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Ooooooo, they got Brent Mason......
But I hate subscription based software.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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I'm looking forward to trying it when it gets added to my Celemony account. It is an Essentials version but mine to keep. For the subscription I'm not sure you would be able to use anything you've downloaded if you cancel the sub. The stuff you download may be tied exclusively to the Tonalics program. That's where their tech wizardry is.
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I don't know about the limits of the essential version but the rest of them all you have to do is bounce the tracks and save them and they are yours forever even if you don't continue with subscribing. You can also buy a 30 day sub from music dealers as much as you want.
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I do hope that if/when someone actually subscribes that they will share their experiences here.
Maybe even share an arrangement or two?
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2026 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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Competition? Yes. (plucked instruments, easy of use, quality)
Size of the library? Not for a now.
Is competition good? Yes, It could be the strongest driver for innovation in BIAB
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Competition? No ======> Plucked instruments, easy of use, Limited in scope, quantity, complexity, and versatility
Competition? No ======> Size of the library? Not for a now.
Competition? No ======> No keyboard, brass, woodwind or strings. And subscription only
Is competition good? Yes, But Tonalic is not a driver for innovation in BIAB. It's a mild, BIAB DAW Plug-in competitor which is a light, partial version of BIAB.
BIAB is light years ahead in instruments, arrangement capability, RealTracks Library, Styles Library, MidiSuperTracks, MultiStyles, Playable RealTracks, as well as features, tools, processes and audio production capability for education, practice and learning. The list could go on and on....
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Nope. Tonalic is AI manipulation of samples which explains both the subscription and being browser based. Access to the massive data centers required for that much horsepower is not free. Even if you had a $32,000 NVIDIA tower or a quartet of M4/M3 Ultra Mac Studios linked together via USB 4.2 cables at 2/3 the price, you still couldn’t render the files as quickly. Although it’s been possible to link multiple Macs to combine them as one over 10GB Ethernet since 2017 (Apple showed 20 Minis crunching a single animation file at the 2018 WWDC), macOS 26.2 Tahoe has introduced new protocols for doing this over USB 4.2/TB5 making it much more efficient rivaling the NVIDIA tower. Even still, the studios are now rendering these massive files over the internet because it’s faster. No one is expecting Celemony to ever release this as a stand-alone product. Waiting for my free version. That could certainly happen. Celemony could certainly follow the same model as other browser based AI companies by releasing a “free” or low cost version including a few GBs of use and charging for additional usage by making you buy “credits”. Many companies have gone to this model. One of the AI stand-alone apps that I own is ACE Studio. Rendering a simple 3 minute, acapella 4-part choral demo can take well over an hour on my Studio M2 Ultra with 192GB Integrated RAM. Since these are demos only, my clients can forgive the fact that the “singers” don’t pronounce English or Latin as well as I would like. Fortunately, it wasn’t all that expensive. If I anticipate more of this work into next year, I might spring for the upcoming M5 Ultra with 1TB Integrated RAM.
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Competition? No ======> Plucked instruments, easy of use, Limited in scope, quantity, complexity, and versatility
Competition? No ======> Size of the library? Not for a now.
Competition? No ======> No keyboard, brass, woodwind or strings. And subscription only
Is competition good? Yes, But Tonalic is not a driver for innovation in BIAB. It's a mild, BIAB DAW Plug-in competitor which is a light, partial version of BIAB.
BIAB is light years ahead in instruments, arrangement capability, RealTracks Library, Styles Library, MidiSuperTracks, MultiStyles, Playable RealTracks, as well as features, tools, processes and audio production capability for education, practice and learning. The list could go on and on.... What you may be missing is there are almost certainly many BIAB users (most?) who do not care about 90% of the things you mentioned; I am definitely one of those! To me, as a quick seeker of great guitar, bass and drum tracks, this looks like a serious competitor that will only get better. And I would bet they won't wait a full year between upgrades! Education, practice and learning are something I would suspect are not widely used BIAB features; when I bought the tutorial paks they appeared to have not been updated for over a decade. There are soooo many learning resources that are much easier to obtain and use than BIAB. As for being "light years ahead in instruments" I will admit BIAB has a LOT of instruments but honestly, they are starting to sound a lot alike! I mean, how many times can you hire Brent to play jangly country guitar and not start to sound the same?  And so many of the instruments, at least a third, target music genres the vast majority have little interest in. Keys are available everywhere in advanced products like EZ Keys. Every other instrument you mentioned is also quite available and quite good in a variety of VSTi libraries. Finally, the BIAB search feature truly sucks so finding something in my massive pile of RealTracks is only getting more difficult with each release! As for subscription vs. purchase, I too am not fond of subscription-based software. But, form a purely financial perspective, my cost to own and upgrade BIAB has cost me more than $300 per year since 2012 so the cost of this subscription would not at all be out of line for what I already invest in BIAB. Obviously, as a BIAB deep power user, you are less inclined to see this product as a competitor. But, as a BIAB weakling, I welcome competition that provides just the tracks I need without 500 years of accumulated dust and grime and tacked-on features I'll never use!
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