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Wow, how do you like this - Tonalic integrates Scaler!  Music applications must learn to work well with others for their success. This is why I have long advocated BIAB share / Inherit its chord progression with others as simple as drag and drop.
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<< “One (Tonalic) is far superior to the other but one (BIAB plug-in) has more instruments (for now).”>>
That comparison overlooks a fundamental limitation in Tonalic’s current design.
Tonalic’s core functionality is dependent on ARA integration, which tightly couples it to the DAW. At present, many widely used DAWs either do not support ARA at all or support it only partially. As a result, a large segment of users cannot access Tonalic’s full feature set; even if they purchase it. In that sense, this release promises potential that it does not yet deliver universally.
By contrast, the BIAB plug-in is not a reduced product. It is a gateway to the entire BIAB standalone engine. That distinction matters.
The commonly accepted idea that users “only use 10% of BIAB” exposes the weakness in the comparison. Even when working inside a DAW centered workflow, the BIAB plug-in can leverage some of the remaining 90% of BIAB’s arrangement logic, form control, substitution rules, medleys, and generation tools before tracks ever reach the DAW. That allows for exporting tracks, or complete songs, of greater structural and musical complexity than Tonalic can currently produce. There's also the option to produce and arrange tracks entirely in BIAB retaining 100% of the software. That's how PGM produces all demo's, lessons, artist performance tracks. The artist performance sets with vocals are all saved as SGU/MGU files, not RealBand SEQ files, not as pro-tools, studio one, Reaper, Cubase, etc. That's another distinction that matters.
Every forum member I’m aware of who posts DAW finished songs in the User Showcase, especially those who comp, edit, and manually manipulate multiple RealTracks exported to their DAW, still operates within that same 10%/90% reality. The difference isn’t whether the other 90% exists; it’s which parts of it are not accessed and how that affects the quality of what gets exported.
Which specific features remain unused varies by workflow, but the ratio remains remarkably consistent: roughly 10% active usage, 90% ignored; even though that ignored portion is still shaping the quality of what ultimately ends up in the DAW in a negative way. This is not true at all. The program is not dependent on ARA at all. Just like Melodyne was not dependent on ARA. Pro Tool Users could use Melodyne before Pro Tools ever had ARA. If you watch this video you will see that it can be used in any DAW and what ARA is doing in Studio One because of the ARA on the chord track which is in Studio One. Tonalic First Steps – Getting Started with Tonalics Apple Logic Pro is getting it's chord track updated this month. What this has to do with is the chord track.
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This is all so new. But the demo and usage vidoes doing a good job to state the claims. I suggest no one comment on these topics until at least they have viewed all the demos. Personnally I am trying to hold back as much as I can so as not to just stir the pot. Besure to look very closely at Chords Demo and Tempo and Timing Demos. Very interesting and features are very promising. I contacted support for my free Essentials version, but no word back yet, but heck $1 to sign up for a month should be a no brainer for me. I have reviewed all the videos.
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DrDan, well, if promoting a competitive product on this forum isn't stirring the pot, I'm not sure what is. I'm funny like that though. 
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DrDan, well, if promoting a competitive product on this forum isn't stirring the pot, I'm not sure what is. I'm funny like that though. Especially when comparing it as a direct competitor. Some forums may remove such a post. BiaB moderators have been gracious in that aspect. So far. Thanks PG moderators.
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Normally a discussion about other music software would be in the Off-Topic Forum, unless this is a tip about how to use that other software with BIAB in this Recording forum.
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Normally a discussion about other music software would be in the Off-Topic Forum, unless this is a tip about how to use that other software with BIAB in this Recording forum. Guess what? You heard it here first. It runs as a VST3 in BIAB!  That should make this applicable to BIAB. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=32194&filename=Screenshot 2026-01-17 150600.jpg)
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I have to say that I saw some impressive features there. That level of integration has been well thought out.
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Yes it's definitely off topic but as I've mentioned several times competition is good.
PGM will definitely see things that it does and then see if they can come up with an equivalent results.
In the end, you as the customer will win.
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Normally a discussion about other music software would be in the Off-Topic Forum, unless this is a tip about how to use that other software with BIAB in this Recording forum. Guess what? You heard it here first. It runs as a VST3 in BIAB! That should make this applicable to BIAB. Thanks. I watched a lot of the video but not all. I would still suggest this topic is another music program promoting itself by including the name of another program in which it will work. That doesn’t make it related to a BIAB project, for which this forum exists. You are of course correct it is applicable to BIAB, but so are many other programs. I was just responding to the comment that perhaps the discussion is not in the best choice of forums. Having said that, I find the new product impressive and when it has jazz rhythm sections, I’ll be back to look.
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