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I remember a time when I was using a Dell Axim X51 and a flip phone and swore I would never be forced into a subscription for a data plan. Now my flip phone and Axim have long since been recycled and I have subscription plans for an iPhone 16 and an iPad. We have really long since passed the point that we can compete in an AI world because the horsepower to run AI isn’t something that is affordable by the individual any longer.
I decided to take the plunge on the 1$ Studio plan and so far I’ve been deliberately trying to break it. It’s interesting that Celemony has decided to make the Essentials version of the software “later” after that make sure it’s ready to go, but they are fine releasing the paid versions now. I get the feeling that with the release of Fender Studio Pro 8 an the release of other softwere updates, they felt pressure to release as is. I’ve watched several videos and I’m on the left side of the learning curve but so far I’ve been able to screw up the timing and I’m not sure if its a feature or a bug. So far it’s not as easy as the promotional videos indicate but I’m going to give it a fair chance.
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I decided to take the plunge on the 1$ Studio plan and so far I’ve been deliberately trying to break it. It’s interesting that Celemony has decided to make the Essentials version of the software “later” after that make sure it’s ready to go, but they are fine releasing the paid versions now. I get the feeling that with the release of Fender Studio Pro 8 an the release of other softwere updates, they felt pressure to release as is. I’ve watched several videos and I’m on the left side of the learning curve but so far I’ve been able to screw up the timing and I’m not sure if its a feature or a bug. So far it’s not as easy as the promotional videos indicate but I’m going to give it a fair chance. Good for you mate. I am holding out for the Essentials version. But not sure how long I can wait. I sent a note to Celemony support yesterday to ask about timing. So I may be going down your path soon. Keep us updated.
BIAB – 2026, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud.
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Interesting concept, but $275 a year rental on special, $300 there after. No, thank you.
I am not interested even if it is free. Cakewalk played that game with me and thousands of others. A tethered software that can be unplugged any time they wish to do so (even after mr.Meng promised "decades", at time when Gibson went belly up). No subs or tethered software for me please.
What PGM should do is make use of AI + their catalog to enhance and expand existing RTs, so they have more variation, different octaves, inversions, etc. Make User Tracks creating process in line with a second quarter of 21st century... again, perhaps making use of AI, so there are no "shortages" of genres and other qualities. I'm not sure that there's much out there (other than Celemony's tools) that can disassemble and reassemble audio like this, but I haven't looked in a while. And besides, there's more than one way to solve this problem. Since pitch recognition is currently quite good, audio -> midi -> audio giving users direct access to notes is feasible in BiaB (assuming someone wanted that feature. It's there already a "Use Only Chord Tones" option that does this in BiaB? A better search tool and "smart" connections (which BiaB sort of already has, due to the sampled progressions). It seems there are a lot of ideas here that BiaB could use, at least in terms of the UI.
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I am in for 1$ Until 30 days from now. Surprised to see the download includes a standalong app for auditioning and searching the content. And even more surprized that it runs in BIAB.
BIAB – 2026, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud.
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Someone on Gearspace posted their first couple of hours experience with it and said that there are artifacts after editing. Someone on the Recording and Mixing forum here said that you can just download all of its loops and then cancel the subscription, and I'm inclined to think that you can't do that and continue editing. The tech is so intertwined with the Tonalics program that to do proper editing you have to have Tonalics. The other thing the guy on Gearspace said is that there is no DI option. Not sure about that so I got in for a dollar and going to check it out over the weekend.
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Someone on Gearspace posted their first couple of hours experience with it and said that there are artifacts after editing. Someone on the Recording and Mixing forum here said that you can just download all of its loops and then cancel the subscription, and I'm inclined to think that you can't do that and continue editing. The tech is so intertwined with the Tonalics program that to do proper editing you have to have Tonalics. The other thing the guy on Gearspace said is that there is no DI option. Not sure about that so I got in for a dollar and going to check it out over the weekend. This is a quote from Tonalic: To search for and download the Tonalics, you need a good Internet connection. Once the required data is on your hard disk, however, you can just as easily work offline, but your access thereafter will be limited to the Tonalics you have already downloaded. Then why not download the whole library? For one thing, because it's far too big (you couldn't download all Netflix or Spotify either, for that matter), but also because we are constantly improving and expanding the content. Online access ensures that users have access at all times to the latest and best versions of everything currently available.
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The Tonalic auto download and stay up to date via online syncing. Online is not required except for online updates.
Tonalic's are not Loops. The are not MIDI. They are not just audio,
They require the Tonalic engine to render to audio in real-time.
So, if your stop the subscription you would have to Freeze or Render your existing tracks first to keep them.
In my experience the are very clean. At least as clean as the audiophile versions of BIAB.
If you want to change your Tonalic's say 6 months later you would have to re-subscribe for at least one month.
Studio One (latest version), Win 11 23H2 , i9 -10940X 3.3 GHz, 32GB Mem, a 4K 40" monitor, PreSonus Studio Live III Console as interface/controller. secondarily test on Reaper, Cakewalk, and S1 on Surface Pro 3 Win 10 (latest versions).
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Got in for a dollar. A dollar thirty Canadian lol. It's pretty easy to use, and you can just duplicate parts on your timeline. If you zoom the timeline out you can do micro beats and chords. With guitar it's pretty extensive, rhythm chords, lines, arps, and other stuff. Pretty cool how you can just do anything on the timeline and it will adapt. Even different loops with different amp configs on the same track. So I was just adding some lines to a song that I've worked on a lot. So when I get the Essential I'll compare to the version I just bought and see what I really need. Maybe they'll add a DI option at a later date. Haven't really played with the effects yet so maybe you can just turn them all off.
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