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Good point Jazzmammal-
From the Manual-
"You cannot enter GM mode using solely the RD-700 on
its own. The RD-700 is switched to GM mode upon
reception of a GM System On, GM2 System On, or GS
Reset message, which has been supplied to it by being
contained within the setup data placed at the beginning
of a song that is to be played back.
• You cannot switch to GM mode if the Edit screen’s
System settings, or the Rx GM System ON, Rx GM2
System ON, or GS Reset settings are set to “OFF.” For
details, refer to
“Switching Between Reception of GM/
GM2 System On and GS Reset”
(p. 70)."
These are in the main setup edit section of the synth.
There is quite a bit in that manual about using GM...
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Hey ... no trolls here; that's me. I've got to work through these issues just like everyone else (a PhD doesn't give you superpowers; please see http://matt.might.net/articles/phd-school-in-pictures/ if you are unclear on this). My current profile is at http://uic.edu/~westland if you want an updated picture of me. I'm tackling BiB for the first time, and it's great to be able to throw out my current challenges, as long as no one minds answering my questions, while I'm working through them.
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it's great to be able to throw out my current challenges
We were all there ourselves at one time. Keep asking. Even the old-timers here learn new things pretty often.
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Bob and RHarv:
I'm glad to hear your observation on the Roland RD700GX manual (mine has the suffix e2 if that means anything) which concurs with mine. I think it all gets down to vocabulary. Roland is a small company (about 300 permanent employees, 2500 total, worldwide ... they have a philosophy of outsourcing their engineering, manuals, etc.). So one Japanese engineer is probably responsible for writing the manual (in his spare time, I bet) which is then translated by a consultant in Australia who just graduated from (say) U of Melbourne language and literature programs, and who is wondering just what this guy means when he says "パフォーマンスモード" (oh, and he doesn't speak a word of English, so no help asking). BTW, I think PG Music may operate similarly (maybe it's just Peter and his brother and a sales staff) but at least they are Canadian. Ay?
Anyway, for me the big issue (and again, I don't have a background in this) is matching up the various vocabularies in BiB, Roland manuals, MIDI terminology, and my own (perhaps misguided) preconceptions about what exactly is going on. I think a schematic diagram in the BiB manual (or RB) would be a big plus, showing how all of the parts fit together -- especially since I don't really understand how BiB is using all of its components. Plus there are a lot of just notational and conception aspects of music in which I am deficient. For example, I can sort of get what Pushes, etc. are from watching the videos and reading the text, but the concepts are novel to me.
Anyway, I've got the basic structure sorted well enough to be able to use either RB or BiB as a sequencer for my Roland. I'll next be working through the set up (to use the RealTracks / RealDrums synthesis and see how this works on my computer)
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Hey ... no trolls here; that's me. I've got to work through these issues just like everyone else (a PhD doesn't give you superpowers; please see http://matt.might.net/articles/phd-school-in-pictures/ if you are unclear on this). My current profile is at http://uic.edu/~westland if you want an updated picture of me.
I'm tackling BiB for the first time, and it's great to be able to throw out my current challenges, as long as no one minds answering my questions, while I'm working through them.
OK Chris fair enough. I just wanted to make sure.
I think your best thing to do here, based on your own observations, is to take a little time out and learn the language a bit ( MIDI). I think you are correct in that things are said & written that need to be understood before you can understand what we are telling you. Those of us that have been speaking the MIDI language since it's inception in 1983 forget that it's totally new. IMHO it's near impossible to teach someone how to use BIAB when the language is not understood.
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I messed with a similar issue for quite some time. I wanted my system to play through my Roland/Rogers keyboard for the 'better sound'. Then along came VSC Dxi and it was as good or better.
I used various versions of midi to the computer, but not back, used a non-powered mixer and ran the keyboard direct, then via midi to the Dxi, with sounds being mixed by me, and volumes set and saved etc....
Then I migrated to the current system. My midi sounds are from the Ketron SD2 I got from PG music. Wow. I then ran the midi out of the Roland Keyboard to the computer via midi to usb cable, so I could play some of those Ketron Sounds.
So now, after spending a bit of cash I have a Bose L1 Model 2. With the Tonematch as a mixer. The keyboard goes both directly out, and via midi to the computer through to the Ketron. To make things a bit more complicated there is the issue of midi out and chained so it runs a VoiceLive box for harmonies using chord triads on ch5 (midi).
As far as drums I have almost no midi drums or no midi drums it's all RealDrums. Suits my genre.
Of course all learning is good, however the first question is..what do I want to accomplish? This simple question becomes muddied by the new types of keyboards, stuff that does 'sort' of what Band in a Box does, that is arranges, sort of...but not quite.
I can say this, with the Ketron pat file, and the ketron hooked up by usb/midi you can't go wrong.
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Rharv, wow, I went through the entire index and looked at all the chapter headings and sort of skimmed the rest of it but since I was leaving for work, couldn't really get into it. That's the deal, alright. Sounds like it works the same as my Sonic Cell.
So Chris, since you're new at this, to clarify, yes, you have to make sure whatever you're using is sending either the "GM on" message or the GS reset. This would be anything from the software in your computer to a hardware sequencer. As has been talked about already, there's ways to access all of your patches in the Roland, not just the GM ones but set that aside for now. Lets get your Biab and/or midi files playing correctly using GM only so you can see and hear how that works.
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Rharv: You might have a slightly different version of the manual than I have (or maybe an earlier model). On p112 of my rd-700gx_e2.pdf file (downloaded from Roland) it shows me how to set GM/GM2 on using the [EDIT] key (and I can verify this). But I would bet that the Roland General MIDI patch that I got with the BiB does exactly what you are recommending ... GM System On, GM2 System On, or GS Reset MIDI message. Anyway, the Roland General MIDI patch gets me access to the drum kits, and all the other sounds on my Roland ... at least so far. I still have the problem that these aren't necessarily stable. This is probably because of systems commands that are from my MIDI files ... I think by File/Import Chords from MIDI/ BiB procedure, I can automatically get these cleaned out, and then make any detailed changes with BiB. I'm still trying to tackle how BiB handles the structuring of the music, with endings and repeats. Chris
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Actually, at my age there is so much new technical material (and bear in mind that most of my 'real' work is finance and statistics, not comp sci) that I always feel down on the learning curve (I do recommend looking at http://matt.might.net/articles/phd-school-in-pictures/ for this reason)
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Anyway, the Roland General MIDI patch gets me access to the drum kits, and all the other sounds on my Roland ... at least so far. I still have the problem that these aren't necessarily stable. This is probably because of systems commands that are from my MIDI files ...
Great! Now, just my opinion mind you others may disagree, don't use Biab for the midi files use Real Band. Biab has functions that allow you to work with midi files but RB is so much easier, all the tracks are laid out right in front of you, the editing is better, everything is better for this. Just play with using Biab as it was originally intended, creating a song based on you picking a style and entering the chords. All the rest of it, working with midi files, adding Biab style tracks to a midi file (or files, you can mix tracks from different ones) and much more is better served in RB. As you work with a midi file in Biab you're going to wind up putting it in RB anyway to finish it off and as soon as you do you're going to look at it and think why didn't I just start here in the first place.
If you would rather work with your midi files first and figure out how to modify all those commands and such, start a new thread about that in the Real Band forum. It will be pretty pretty much the same people answering you there but it makes it easier to track subjects using the forum search function.
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OK ... here is a more technical question. Does Band in a Box use multiple processors effectively.
For example, I have an Athelon II quad-core on my main Dell computer. I'm thinking about getting a similar motherboard-CPU set for my second computer (~$200). Music synthesis is something were parallel scaling has been widely researched, and used in the movie industry. The ramp up is linear. And the Athelon II is a great deal ~$85 since they are using old fab technology.
That said, from what I see on the Win7 performance monitor, BiB seems to be using only processors 2 and 3, maybe not even simultaneously ... and it doesn't seem to be using much of their capacity (maximum is 35%). If BiB is using just one processor, that would suggest that the best platform is a fast 64-bit dual core processor.
Is there any experience here (I can't find any commentary on this in the various forums).
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owever the first question is..what do I want to accomplish? This simple question becomes muddied by the new types of keyboards, stuff that does 'sort' of what Band in a Box does, that is arranges, sort of...but not quite.
Agreed ... vendors confound the area by each trying to expand their own platforms, with everyone from keyboard makers, to software, to computer boxes overlapping (but with different terminology to differentiate themselves in the market place and to confuse the uninitiated).
I'm leaning towards synthesizing everything on my computer, so that I can use Realtracks/Realdrums (everyone has good things to say about them). For practice, it's a lot neater to keep all the synthesis inside the Roland, rather than running through a mixer.
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Thanks Bob:
A question on RB ... does it have access to all of the styles and patches that BiB has? It does make sense that for what I am doing with my Roland, a sequencer makes more sense. I'm sure I'll have a stronger opinion about this in a week or so of fiddling with these products.
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I linked to the current Roland online manual for your keyboard a couple pages earlier in this thread, that is the one I have been referring to as far as pages go. Since it is what is listed on the Roland site, it may be worth looking at to see if they updated it and made it a little more understandable since you bought your board. Roland is known for this, as well as for writing new operating systems for some of their keyboards to add features.
My Juno-G got an OS update that allows it to be a sampler now (in the conventional sense). It could always record and trigger what was recorded but now it has features to make using it as an actual sampler much easier. Nice when its free!
I think Roland is larger than you stated earlier as a company; they have a lot of subsidiaries and products. I have met quite a few of their reps, etc, as my parents own a music store and are involved with some large groups promoting music education. Also, PGMusic is NOT just Peter and his brother. Once you get the hang of the programs, see if you can get involved with Beta testing and 'meet' some of the great programmers behind the software... plus the sales and support team, the web team, they are growing fast!
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Yes, RB has access to the styles and Realtracks and patches like BiaB.
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Chris, about the program being written to take advantage of multiple cores, I believe from a post made some time ago (over a year) by Peter Gannon, that the answer is No, not yet.
Having said that, Internet music forums have plenty of observations and questions about programs that are supposed to be optimized for multiple cores, yet seem to handle things in a very unbalanced way.
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Thanks Bob:
A question on RB ... does it have access to all of the styles and patches that BiB has? It does make sense that for what I am doing with my Roland, a sequencer makes more sense. I'm sure I'll have a stronger opinion about this in a week or so of fiddling with these products.
Chris
Yes, with a few exceptions that may or may not matter to you. RB can use all the Biab styles and all the Real Tracks/Drums that you have. When you first set up RB you have to do the same dance that Biab does regarding pointing the program to the folder where the RT's and RD's live. A couple of differences:
Biab has a very cool midi soloist function where you can pick any one of hundreds of soloists based on famous players. RB can't access that, if you want to use a midi soloist you must first create it in Biab and then move it over to RB. Confusing point, there are also RT soloists. RB handles those with no problem.
Another difference is the Conductor feature in Biab. This is mainly for live playing, it allows you to jump around the song by sections controlled by hitting just one of your number keys on your pc keyboard. There's some other differences like Biab's Soundtrack that can create a completely new song out of nothing, but as far as working with midi files and Biab style tracks are concerned, RB does everything Biab does with the addition of 48 tracks, the ability to use different styles on different tracks without having to regenerate the whole song and you can manually record your vocals or instrument parts just like any other multitrack track recorder. Biab only has one audio track to record on. Oh, another very big deal to a lot of us is the ability to use more than one synth. Right now you're focused on your Roland and maybe that's all you will ever use but there's tons of other hardware synth modules that eventually you may like better than your keyboard as well as myrid software synths (softsynths). Biab can only use one at a time but RB can use up to 16 of them. What this does for you is to give you choices as to which string patch to use or whatever. Your Roland has string patches but you may think the strings in another synth sound much better. As time goes on most of use wind up using many different synths for certain sounds and RB lets you do that.
There's many things you can do with RB, check out the forum and do a forum search using my username and keyword Real Band. I've answered variations of the "why use RB?" question many times over the last several months.
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Thanks for all of the information RHarv. This will actually require some significant exploration on my part (and right now I have some rather limited accompaniment objectives in mind) but it's great to know that for most of the things I will use right now that BiB and RB have access to essentially the same facilities -- just the UI's are different.
I'm curious (since you seem to have spent time with the PG Music organization) about how big they are. Roland is publicly traded (on the Osaka exchange) so companies like Hoovers have gotten their organization stats -- they were around 300 employees in 2000 expanded substantially in the next decade, and now are shrinking. But I understood from one of their sales reps that most of their employees are contract, and that they typically outsource engineering. Given the quality of their products (I'm a fan) I do think they must have mastered their outsourcing.
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Matt:
My daughter is graduating in Comp Sci from U of Illinois, and has a number of friends who are doing multi-core programming (though they tend to be more in the nVidia Tesla realm). They all claim that getting any sort of balanced use of cores from a program is a huge huge headache -- graphics scale well because you can break the problem up into hypercubes. But when you have real-time data streams as BiB must be dealing with continually, perhaps without the ability look ahead, it would be very difficult. Where I could see it benefiting BiB is in real time synthesis of complex models (I guess, from what I understand of it, what Realdrums/tracks is doing).
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The one area that might use multi-core functionality is the rendering of RealTracks. At first blush, way back a couple of years ago, you'd see RealDrums and perhaps one RealTrack and it would take 40 or 50 seconds to process the thing into wave file(s). Now as we go forward and the software has matured we don't wait for the entire render process before the song starts, it gets so far and boom off it goes and plays while the rendering goes on in the background. So splitting up the processes might solve a bottleneck. That said the software would have to determine the processor and then make the decision.
As to the use of a 'mixer' in my case the line 1 is my mic which goes through a vocal processor, line 2 is the keyboard direct, line 3 is the computer and line 4 is a EWI wind controller. All the knobs are set to 12 on the pre-amps and the volumes, and the main volume is at 12 o'clock at home. Each song has it's notes, ie Mute Ketron (it's a button) keyboard to 80 percent (that would be the Roland piano direct not thru the computer). So the object is to get the levels set in Band in a Box to make things easy, and just send up the main volume. The beauty of a mixer. Mix all the sounds to your liking and tweak. That said the Bose is Mono. I do have a stereo rig too but don't use it any more.
I keep hoping for the software to be compiled for Linux. The only thing I really do on the Win7 machine is Band in a Box. The rest is Ubuntu 10.10 released on 10 10 for the reference to the Hitchhiker's Guide and binary.
My crazy friend Dr. Hank had his 64th birthday on 10/10/10. Weird eh? He got his Bmus and Masters Music at Indiana U and was a student of the long time principal trumpet player at the Chicago Symphony. (Dr. Henry Meredith prof at the University of Western Ontario, (his wife is Dean of Undergrad Music and a Dr. too, but sits beside the wife and I in the Baritone/Euphonium section of the Plumbing Factory Brass Band, Dr. Hank is the conductor, and owns most of the instruments we play....
If you have not found the treasure trove, check out google for >Allanah Band in a Box and you'll find thousands of songs, mostly jazz standards, in Band in a Box format. I have taken the best ones and changed the style, muted the melody, and muted the piano, and use them to play along, usually with all RealTracks and RealDrums.
Most of all, have fun!
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Wishing you and yours a very happy 2026—Happy New Year from all of us at PG Music!
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Wishing everyone a happy, healthy holiday season—thanks for being part of our community!
The office will be closed for Christmas Day, but we will be back on Boxing Day (Dec 26th) at 6:00am PST.
Team PG
Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: The Newly Designed Piano Roll Window
In this video, we explore the updated Piano Roll, complete with a modernized look and exciting new features. You’ll see new filtering options that make it easy to focus on specific note groups, smoother and more intuitive note entry and editing, and enhanced options for zooming, looping, and more.
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: AI Stems & Notes - split polyphonic audio into instruments and transcribe
This video demonstrates how to use the new AI-Notes feature together with the AI-Stems splitter, allowing you to select an audio file and have it separated into individual stems while transcribing each one to its own MIDI track. AI-Notes converts polyphonic audio—either full mixes or individual instruments—into MIDI that you can view in notation or play back instantly.
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®
With your version 2026 for Windows Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- Android Band-in-a-Box® App (included)
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
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