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I just bought your Beatles fakebook disk. Before buying I read your "README first" page https://www.nortonmusic.com/fake.html and saw that "Norton Music Fake Disks contain chord progressions only..." which is what I wanted as that's how I intended to use the SGU files the songs are delivered as - i.e. open in BIAB and try different band styles / instrument substitutions. I purchased, downloaded and in BIAB (2020) I opened "You've got to hide your love away". All the styles were midi styles. I tried changing the guitars to Realtracks. None will play except one of them, for a couple bars in the chorus. Am I doing something wrong? There was nothing on your site I saw that led me to believe these wouldn't work. Love to get this fixed as I'm around $44 lighter. Grateful for a remedy
I'm sure Notes Norton will assist you to resolve this. Send him a PM perhaps, referencing this thread.
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I just bought your Beatles fakebook disk. Before buying I read your "README first" page https://www.nortonmusic.com/fake.html and saw that "Norton Music Fake Disks contain chord progressions only..." which is what I wanted as that's how I intended to use the SGU files the songs are delivered as - i.e. open in BIAB and try different band styles / instrument substitutions. I purchased, downloaded and in BIAB (2020) I opened "You've got to hide your love away". All the styles were midi styles. I tried changing the guitars to Realtracks. None will play except one of them, for a couple bars in the chorus. Am I doing something wrong? There was nothing on your site I saw that led me to believe these wouldn't work. Love to get this fixed as I'm around $44 lighter. Grateful for a remedy
Should be possible to pick a few Realtrack guitars that fit the Timing and Rhythm of the song and put those on the Utility Tracks, the Eye icon near the Mixer Patches, click on it and add a few Utility tracks, then pick your Realtrack guitars, you can always mute any tracks in the Norton style that you don't want.
Windows 10 (64bit) M-Audio Fast Track Pro, Band in a Box 2025, Cubase 14, Cakewalk and far too many VST plugins that I probably don't need or will ever use
Thanks for your purchase, and sorry you are having a problem.
Yes, everything is in MIDI. Why? 1) If the style is in MIDI, the BiaB bot will recommend a Real Style 2) But if the style is Real, the BiaB bot will NOT recommend a MIDI style. Therefore, assigning a MIDI style is the only way to get a recommendation for both Real and MIDI.
As for why they aren't playing when changing to Real, that's a mystery.
I just tried it on my copy of BiaB, and they are playing just fine.
What is my thinking? It's a very simple 12 bar blues song, with nothing fancy, no shots, no pushes, no melody, or anything else fancy. It was made/saved in BiaB with one of my MIDI styles, which your computer probably doesn't have, and it should revert to zzjazz.sty. So the only variable would be changing to the default style when loading something with a Norton style.
Let me know if you can change this to a Real Style and if it plays or not.
I have some other ideas, but this would be my first troubleshooting step if it happened on my computer. So let me know and we'll go from there.
Last edited by Notes Norton; 02/28/2607:13 AM. Reason: Typo. I'm TYPO-Man -- writing all wrongs :D
I tried changing the guitars to Realtracks. None will play except one of them, for a couple bars in the chorus.
Notes, he is trying to use a Real Track!
Midi plays fine with new RS, but does not swap the midi for RTs (which it should. right?). When I then try to substitute a single RT for piano, the Piano track after generation is blank.
I understand that lingyai is trying to substitute a real track for a MIDI track.
I see no reason why he cannot, and nobody else has ever reported this problem with any of my fake e-disk sgu files.
I don't have 2020 anymore, and I suspect it might be a bug in his version, but I want to rule out any possibility that it might be my sgu's fault before I involve PG Music. The techs at PG have enough work, so I want to make sure I'm not wasting their time.
If the little test I suggested fails, I have one more test in mind that I think would completely eliminate my work.
On the other hand, if I find out it's something I did, I'll do my best to fix it.
I ran your little test with current 2026 and it does not appear to be working. It is not just your test file, I have other old .sgu midi style files which also have this same issue. Just sayin...
I ran your little test with current 2026 and it does not appear to be working. It is not just your test file, I have other old .sgu midi style files which also have this same issue. Just sayin...
This is very confusing. I just ran your test file. I replaced the MIDI bass and piano tracks with RTs and everything was fine. I also tried an old 2006 SGU and it worked fine there also. I wonder if this is machine and/or RT specific?
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When your day is ruined because they rearranged the grocery store.
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Confusing, yes indeed - this is BIAB after all . I fully agree that are a lot of potential options for configuration issues here. Midi is playing, it plays with a midi style or a real style. What is not playing is audio on a real track when you allow the midi style to auto substitute. Mario, your picutes do not show if there is any Audio on the Audio track which is what the objective is. My picture shows that I placed a RT piano on the piano track and there was no wave in the Tracks view. If I force the style to change to all RTs it works. Its the auto substituion which failes to switch to real tracks.
Confusing, yes indeed - this is BIAB after all . I fully agree that are a lot of potential options for configuration issues here. Midi is playing, it plays with a midi style or a real style. What is not playing is audio on a real track when you allow the midi style to auto substitute. Mario, your picutes do not show if there is any Audio on the Audio track which is what the objective is. My picture shows that I placed a RT piano on the piano track and there was no wave in the Tracks view. If I force the style to change to all RTs it works. Its the auto substituion which failes to switch to real tracks.
I am sure it is something simple here.
Hi Dan, Well I am confused again, probably my age old eyes and brain again! I thought that the OM could not get RTs to play when they replaced MIDI tracks.
Originally Posted by lingyai
.................................... I purchased, downloaded and in BIAB (2020) I opened "You've got to hide your love away". All the styles were midi styles. I tried changing the guitars to Realtracks. None will play except one of them, for a couple bars in the chorus.
In both of my tests the RTs did play and they played exactly what was shown in notation. BUT like you proved the audio tracks so not show in the tracks view. That happened in both of my tests. IMHO that is a major bug.
In another test I set the tempo to 40 BPM and replaced the bass and piano tracks with 140 BPM RTs. They also played but didn't sound so good ( :D) and again with no audio track views. Thus picking the wrong BPM RTs is not the issue.
I think the OP should clarify. Also I hope others try to duplicate the issue(s)
Dad, how will I know when I've become an adult.
When your day is ruined because they rearranged the grocery store.
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In both of my tests the RTs did play and they played exactly what was shown in notation. BUT like you proved the audio tracks do not show in the tracks view. That happened in both of my tests. IMHO that is a major bug.
Ya, but when the tracks do not appear in track view, we are not hearing audio - it is just midi playing at that point. Thanks for helping confirm the issue. .
In both of my tests the RTs did play and they played exactly what was shown in notation. BUT like you proved the audio tracks do not show in the tracks view. That happened in both of my tests. IMHO that is a major bug.
Ya, but when the tracks do not appear in track view, we are not hearing audio - it is just midi playing at that point. Thanks for helping confirm the issue. .
I am not that familiar with this portion of BiaB. I was looking at the Audio Edit view and not the track view. I took an all MIDI style, copied the piano track 2 times, and in the bass track used a Sax RT. In one piano track I used a piano RT and in another track a guitar RT. No RT track showed in the track view. BUT when I hit regenerate the audio tracks showed and they played; see pic. Apparently you must hit regenerate for the audio to show and play. I have the SGU file if you are interested in hearing it.
Would you confirm this?
Dad, how will I know when I've become an adult.
When your day is ruined because they rearranged the grocery store.
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Yes, the track view will show a green name for the instrument, but will not show the actual waveform or play the RT until it is "generated". However, it should regenerate automatically with this type of change when you hit run. But otherwise, what ii is doing is anyones guess here. We should not be seeing this discrepancy with substituting a midi style with a style containing RTs or just by replacing a midi track with a RT - This simple function has worked effortlesslly for years as Notes indicated . I will alert the developers about this thread and ask them to help prioritize a fix. Dan
Yes, the track view will show a green name for the instrument, but will not show the actual waveform or play the RT until it is "generated". However, it should regenerate automatically with this type of change when you hit run. But otherwise, what ii is doing is anyones guess here. We should not be seeing this discrepancy with substituting a midi style with a style containing RTs or just by replacing a midi track with a RT - This simple function has worked effortlesslly for years as Notes indicated . I will alert the developers about this thread and ask them to help prioritize a fix. Dan
Yes, I totally agree. Thanx for both alerting the developers and for helping me understand more about BiaB. I've never changes MIDI to RTs before today so this have been an education for me!
Dad, how will I know when I've become an adult.
When your day is ruined because they rearranged the grocery store.
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I just remembered what Notes and the OP said, "... I purchased, downloaded and in BIAB (2020)". Makes me nervious that our assumption that there is a problem with current 2026 may be missing something yet. Nevertheless, the developers have been alerted.
I just remembered what Notes and the OP said, "... I purchased, downloaded and in BIAB (2020)". Makes me nervious that our assumption that there is a problem with current 2026 may be missing something yet. Nevertheless, the developers have been alerted.
It would be really nice if someone who has replaced a MIDI track with a RT in previous versions of BiaB would chime in, however maybe that person doesn't exist.
Dad, how will I know when I've become an adult.
When your day is ruined because they rearranged the grocery store.
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Well, 10+ years ago, when I was a hardcore jazzer, I did this hundreds of times. Am obviously a bit rusty, but when I just tried to convert a MIDI jazz track to a RealStyle, it worked like I remembered: The MIDI backing instruments are replaced by RealTracks and the MIDI melody, if present, is preserved as MIDI. There ARE some weird volume disparity issues that I can't explain, but I'm using a different VSTi now than I was then, too, so that might be related...
Please ignore this if not helpful.
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Thanks, DrDan for alerting the developers and to Ron, Mario, and others for helping.
I wish the OP would rejoin the conversation, as it might help with his personal situation.
I'm not much of a RealTrack guy, I prefer the editability of the MIDI tracks. I just check to see that they are working with my efforts.
With MIDI I can export to a sequencer/DAW and change instruments, chord inversions, drum kits, drum instruments (for example, rimshot to clave), individual notes, and so on. Plus I can make my own intros/endings, change the groove, add song-specific figures and/or kicks, eliminate/change/remove drum rolls, and so much more.
For me, expression is much more important than tone, and I can manipulate MIDI files to get more or more personal expression out of the music.
OK, lets try one more time. First do a return to factory settings (always first thing when BIAB does not do what it is supposed to do), Then set configurations in the following two screens. I think that is what the OP is looking for and I think it now works (for the most part) .
I can get it almost fully working with the selections I show below, (i.e., replace midi style with Real Style and/or just replace individual midi tracks with real tracks), but I still see things which just don't seem correct! some substituted RTs are blank and I don't know why (Bob, are you doing something unque to that piano track in your midi?). Let the buyer beware.
I'm not much of a RealTrack guy, I prefer the editability of the MIDI tracks. I just check to see that they are working with my efforts.
With MIDI I can export to a sequencer/DAW and change instruments, chord inversions, drum kits, drum instruments (for example, rimshot to clave), individual notes, and so on. Plus I can make my own intros/endings, change the groove, add song-specific figures and/or kicks, eliminate/change/remove drum rolls, and so much more.
For me, expression is much more important than tone, and I can manipulate MIDI files to get more or more personal expression out of the music.
That is exactly why I do most all of my work in MIDI. Occasionally I will use an RT or RD but 99.99% of my work is in MIDI.
Originally Posted by Notes Norton
But then, I like editing, not everybody does.
Same here. I much prefer MIDI editing over audio editing.
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When your day is ruined because they rearranged the grocery store.
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<< It would be really nice if someone who has replaced a MIDI track with a RT in previous versions of BiaB would chime in, however maybe that person doesn't exist. >>
I've done this for years and using Note's test, RealTracks performed normally on my system.
<< In both of my tests the RTs did play and they played exactly what was shown in notation. BUT like you proved the audio tracks so not show in the tracks view. That happened in both of my tests. IMHO that is a major bug. >>
This is correct, but not quite. The RT's play but not the original imported midi data. The RT does not read and sound the imported midi. Generating the RT creates new midi data and that is what's being played and displayed in notation or the piano roll. The audio and midi is new midi data and will change and update with regeneration or partial regeneration.
To prompt a RT to play the original midi data that was imported from a midi song file requires using the Playable RealTracks Feature. A SuperMidi track also can sound out the original data but I encountered issues closing the file and also had to manually display the tracks as they were hidden once the SuperMidi instrument loaded.
A special note to Notes (and Mario and others): The Playable RealTracks concept was introduced in BIAB with a video tutorial in 2011 and updated to include user made UserTracks in 2014 along with the introduction of the Artist Performance File, a variation of a UserTrack but is proprietary to BIAB. This allowed RealTrack and audio editing in BIAB at the same level of midi editing.
I called these custom tracks "Combination Tracks" before Playable RealTracks was introduced in 2022. You may want to consider a deeper dive into this advanced, long time feature that's been virtually overlooked. I have a YouTube video posted in early 2018 of a cover of the Doobie Brothers "Listen to the Music" where a RealTrack modified to feature their signature acoustic guitar lick if you or others want to check a conceptual "Combination Track" out. Listen to the Music BIAB Combination Track
<...snip...? (Bob, are you doing something unque to that piano track in your midi?). <...>
No, nothing unique.
It's a BiaB sgu.
I entered the chords in the BiaB matrix. C in bar 1 -- F7 in bar 5 -- C in bar 7 -- G7 in bar 9 -- F7 in bar 10 -- and C in bar 11. ---- repeat 6 times and a C on bar 13, the ending. Then I chose a style.
Every chord was entered on the first beat of the measure with no pushes, holds, rests or anything else that may be optional.
It's the most basic 12 bar blues progression - without even a turn around. Nothing fancy at all. In the song setting button, "Allow Realtracks substitution based on tempo" is checked.
Have you tried more than one Realtrack substitution? If so, does it exhibit the flawed results with every Realtrack you tried?
Note: I made this file on an old version of BiaB. I do that to make sure they run on older versions. Since BiaB has excellent backwards compatibility of sgu (and other) files it should play on any version of BiaB still out there.
Last edited by Notes Norton; 03/03/2607:01 AM. Reason: TYPO: I'm TYPOMAN - writing all wrongs. :D
Thanks for the clarification Notes - I was pretty confident in that.
Once I report a finding to the developers I stop digging since it is only a bug when they determine it needs to be fix. As we all now, that can take some time. Otherwise, everything Charlie mentions is likely true, but does not address the finding we reported.
..................................... Have you tried more than one Realtrack substitution? If so, does it exhibit the flawed results with every Realtrack you tried? ................................
Yes I did try a number of different RTs and they all preformed exactly like Dan said: "Yes, the track view will show a green name for the instrument, but will not show the actual waveform or play the RT until it is "generated". However, it should regenerate automatically with this type of change when you hit run. But otherwise, what ii is doing is anyones guess here. We should not be seeing this discrepancy with substituting a midi style with a style containing RTs or just by replacing a midi track with a RT - This simple function has worked effortlesslly for years as Notes indicated grin. I will alert the developers about this thread and ask them to help prioritize a fix. Dan"
Dad, how will I know when I've become an adult.
When your day is ruined because they rearranged the grocery store.
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I suppose with a 35+ year program that started out in DOS 5, and with so many features added on year after year, the programming must be very complicated. And that thankfully, there is back compatibility, it's pretty easy for something to break while updating.
But I know that the wizards at PG Music are good at tracking down the bugs and eliminating them.
I've been using BIAB off and on since 2012 or so. My latest version is 2020 (Windows). I've opened very many style demo files (SGUs) which come with BIAB, and every one I've tried has always let me change the entire band style, or individual instruments, from whatever they were set to, to a completely new style or instrument, whether it was a midi style or a Real Track.
In other words, a chord progression could be played back through anything; that for me has been the magic of the software, letting you explore the different results you can get by playing the same chords through different instruments. I therefore assumed any SGU file could do this. Just as, say, any MS Word file lets you change fonts. As DrDan said "Midi plays fine with new RS, but does not swap the midi for RTs (which it should. right?)" I believed the answer to his question was "right".
This is exactly why I bought your SGU format fakebooks of the Beatles songs, expecting this functionality. Before purchase I did read carefully through the rather long part of your site which states in detail what you can and cannot do with your fakebooks. Nothing there suggested this functionality would be missing. So I pulled the trigger, figuring that the time it would save me entering the chords for their songs manually would make it a bargain.
Alas, the result is what I described in my OP when I opened your fake book version of "You've got to Hide your Love Away". When I first opened it and pressed play, I got your midi arrangement; all the midi styles worked.
But, while I got no errors or error messages when changing from your instrument midi patches to RTs, I also got no sound either, except a quick burst on 2-3 scattered measures from one instrument. I tried some of my most-used RTs, the Campfire guitars, both even and swing feels. No joy whatsoever.
Had I known your fakebooks did not have this basic - universal, I thought - SGU file functionality, I would certainly not have bought them. Again, if something on your site makes it clear that these files don't, it eluded me. I feel the money is wasted.
Rather than, as you suggest, me testing a file which I did not purchase, perhaps you could (and others, if so moved) could test one which I did. Here is a dropbox link the the aforesaid SGU, You've Got to Hide Your Love Away.
By the way I did email you on 21 Feb, replying to the email with the order confirmation (bob@nortonmusic.com), and again on 26 Feb. But I never got an email in reply. (I checked spam). That's one reason why the discussion is here as I couldn't seem to reach you another way. Another was to see if any other folks might have ideas.
If others experience the same problem with this file, I'd suggest you perhaps make it clear on your site whether one can in fact expect these to work in the way other SGU files do - i.e. again, you should be able to play any track thought any RT if the chords are already entered. I'd also ask you to consider refunding my purchase, please.
The OP style opens with a green RT style. This is what my configurations would if BIAB opend an all midi .sgu but found a RT on my system which was similar, OR, if it opened a all midi .sgu and I did not have the specified style, it would use the yellow midi zzjazz.sty). That is all set in preference.
Here is what happens. The .sgu loads with a "c_elpaso.sty" - is actually not a RT style. In this case this is an all midi style I have. No Real Tracks load in track view. When I hit play only yellow midi is playing. So the question at this point is why is the style "green" indicating you have RTs when you don't? NEVERMIND, this is always green regardless of style type per the new GUI
So forget the green and if we just move on and try to replace the C_Elpas.sty with a true Real Track Style - all works as expected. So at the moment I am not seeing any issues.
Had I known your fakebooks did not have this basic - universal, I thought - SGU file functionality, I would certainly not have bought them. Again, if something on your site makes it clear that these files don't, it eluded me. I feel the money is wasted.
Rather than, as you suggest, me testing a file which I did not purchase, perhaps you could (and others, if so moved) could test one which I did. Here is a dropbox link the the aforesaid SGU, You've Got to Hide Your Love Away.
I tried this, changing all the tuned instruments to RealTracks and it's working as expected for me.
Bob's SGUs normally work pretty much as you expected and he's usually very helpful sorting out issues. But he's not a big company ...there's no support team, just Bob. Please try to help him to help solve the issue.
BTW, I think you probably should not have put one of Bob's SGU files online. It's probably best to remove it soon. I shall delete my downloaded copy.
Band-in-a-Box® for Windows Version 2026 (1224)
Last edited by Gordon Scott; 03/08/2603:54 AM.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2026 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .
But, while I got no errors or error messages when changing from your instrument midi patches to RTs, I also got no sound either, except a quick burst on 2-3 scattered measures from one instrument. ....
OK, this is interesting. This indicates a possible new root cause. This needs a RTFS "return to factory settings" and a Rebuild of the styles - and also go and rebuild the RTs. Besure you audio driver is correct (MME or WAS..) after the RTFS. You can do all that "maintanance" on your system in 1 -2 minutes. Then let us know how it behaves...
I've been using BIAB off and on since 2012 or so. My latest version is 2020 (Windows). I've opened very many style demo files (SGUs) which come with BIAB, and every one I've tried has always let me change the entire band style, or individual instruments, from whatever they were set to, to a completely new style or instrument, whether it was a midi style or a Real Track.
<...snip...>
If others experience the same problem with this file, I'd suggest you perhaps make it clear on your site whether one can in fact expect these to work in the way other SGU files do - i.e. again, you should be able to play any track thought any RT if the chords are already entered. I'd also ask you to consider refunding my purchase, please.
As far as I know, nobody else has this same problem.
1) I made this song in BiaB and saved it, just as anyone would have done. Nothing fancy. So they do have basic sgu functionality.
2) I tried it on my computer, and it switches to RTs perfectly
3) Other people have used this same file and switched to Real Tracks.
4) I answer all e-mails, and never got one from you (I just checked again - and checked my web-host's spam filter rejects). Note: If anyone ever e-mails me and doesn't get a response by the next day, or in very rare instances the second day, please try again
5) There are also free samples in the song lists of all my fake e-disks, so you can try before you buy
6) Since it's working for me, and since I've had zero complaints since I published this book decades ago, I offered another, simplified file as a first step in a troubleshooting process. If that passed, I would try a more complicated test, until I figured it out.
7) I've been making fakebook collections since 1991 or 1992, I've made 53 of them, with as many as 700 songs in each collection, and I've never-ever had someone who couldn't switch to a real style. So in troubleshooting it makes sense to me to start with something simpler.
I do have another idea. Try this. Press F5 on the first measure, and clear the style in the dialog box. Then try again. Let me know if that works for you or not.
If you tried the first bare-bones test file I offered, and it worked perfectly, I would have put a F5 (BiaB dialog box) to replicate the one on your file as the next step. If that didn't work, I have a few more things to try. But you have to cooperate with me as I try different things.
If you prefer to keep this out of the public eye, e-mail me again, and if I don't answer in a day or two at the most, try again.
I answer all e-mails by the next day, the rare exception might be if an emergency occurs, I have an out-of-town gig, or a couple of times a year, I just want to take a day off.
Since 1991, when I started selling BiaB add-ons on 5.25" and 3.5" floppy disks for Pre-Windows IBM DOS5, Atari ST, and Mac System 6, I've had very few problems, and I've never had one that couldn't be fixed. Sometimes it takes a few tests and tries first.
I won't give up until either it's working for you, or it's a PG Music problem. I will not refer it to PG Music unless I'm 99% sure it's not my problem, so bear with me while I go through the troubleshooting process and try different files.
To lingyai, your link of You've Got to Hide Your Love Away loaded perfectly and played perfectly including using the El Paso style of all RealTracks. I believe the problem is on your end.
Also, when you work with Notes (and possibly PG Music) to solve this, please ask Notes if he would prefer you take down the public link to his work. Thanks. I've deleted it from my PC.
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Definitely try RTFS and reset your audio driver etc then try again.
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To lingyai, your link of You've Got to Hide Your Love Away loaded perfectly and played perfectly including using the El Paso style of all RealTracks. I believe the problem is on your end.
Also, when you work with Notes (and possibly PG Music) to solve this, please ask Notes if he would prefer you take down the public link to his work. Thanks. I've deleted it from my PC.
Yes, I'd prefer if you take the song down. We've all had a chance to try it.
Thanks.
Also, let me know if the F5 trick works or not. If it worked, I'd like to know just in case someone else has the same issue.
Also, don't give up. I want to make sure you get what you paid for.
Charlie, that's kind of gamechanger for me. Can you give a little more detail about how you did that guitar riff in the "Listen To The Music" track?
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Dr Dan's comment, "if we just move on and try to replace the C_Elpas.sty with a true Real Track Style - all works as expected" fixes this here. Thank you! I had been trying to change individual tracks (i.e. swap whatever instrument track was there with something else, like an RT) while in the song's default band style, which I've always been able to do. The solution here is to change the style, then swapping can occur. Live and learn.
I removed the file from dropbox last week.
Mr Norton, regarding the email: all I know is that I did email about you this on 26 Feb
Anyway, got there in the end. Thanks all for comments.
I, for one, am glad that this is successfully sorted for you.
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and did not get a reply or sending failure message. Perhaps there was some error further down the chain.
Anyway, got there in the end. Thanks all for comments.
Ah, a Dropbox message. That could have been nuked by my web host's spam filter. Or something on the Internet could have glitched. Who knows? I never-ever ignore a customer's e-mail if I get it. But rarely something happens and I don't.
Since I am a public figure, I get a lot of spam. My webhost has a very good spam filter, nuking sometimes scores of spams per day, but ti's not perfect. A lot of spam still gets through, and rarely, but sadly, a legitimate e-mail gets nuked. The sen,der does not get a rejection message from them.
In the future, here is the best I can do (1) send directly to me, not through Dropbox. If you need to send a vile via Dropbox, let me know in the direct e-mail. (2) If I don't respond in 2 days max, try again. It means I didn't get it.
I'm sorry you had a problem, and I'm glad you got it resolved.
<< Charlie, that's kind of gamechanger for me. Can you give a little more detail about how you did that guitar riff in the "Listen To The Music" track? >>
Not really. That post was an slightly off-topic shout out to Mario and Notes who do a lot of midi editing. It was just to give a reference song to how the Playable RealTrack concept can sound. It was introduced in 2022 as Playable RealTracks but the concept was originally introduced back in 2011 and updated in 2014 in concept when UserTracks were introduced. The track was not really intended for its own discussion but dates back to late 2017 early 2018 showing PRT can be a useful feature.
Most people don't think RealTracks can play specific riffs. Since the conversation had drifted into whether RealTracks or Midi was being heard on playback, it was just a demonstration to show they can. Playable RealTracks don't seem to be discussed much nor appear in songs in the User Showcase. Maybe create a new thread to discuss if you want to.
Since I am a public figure, I get a lot of spam. My webhost has a very good spam filter, nuking sometimes scores of spams per day, but ti's not perfect. A lot of spam still gets through, and rarely, but sadly, a legitimate e-mail gets nuked. The sen,der does not get a rejection message from them.
Sadly this is the reality of email now.
Originally email was 100% reliable ... either it was delivered, or a failure was reported to the sender.
Spammers have wrecked that. Now some mail just gets lost/dumped. Very little gets returned as undelivered because spammers spoof the various From and Sender fields, that causes even more 'backscatter' than the amount of spam. Hopefully the various validation and signing protocols will improve things, but I suspect the spammers will find ways to spoof/hack those, too.
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<< Charlie, that's kind of gamechanger for me. Can you give a little more detail about how you did that guitar riff in the "Listen To The Music" track? >>
Not really. That post was an slightly off-topic shout out to Mario and Notes who do a lot of midi editing. It was just to give a reference song to how the Playable RealTrack concept can sound. It was introduced in 2022 as Playable RealTracks but the concept was originally introduced back in 2011 and updated in 2014 in concept when UserTracks were introduced. The track was not really intended for its own discussion but dates back to late 2017 early 2018 showing PRT can be a useful feature.
Most people don't think RealTracks can play specific riffs. Since the conversation had drifted into whether RealTracks or Midi was being heard on playback, it was just a demonstration to show they can. Playable RealTracks don't seem to be discussed much nor appear in songs in the User Showcase. Maybe create a new thread to discuss if you want to.
Well, how did you get that hammer-on lick that opens the tune? The whole thing really sounds like a RT.
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<...snip...> Spammers have wrecked that. Now some mail just gets lost/dumped. Very little gets returned as undelivered because spammers spoof the various From and Sender fields, that causes even more 'backscatter' than the amount of spam. <...>
The spambots also create random e-mail receiver messages. If one gets returned, it is logged as a legitimate e-mail address and can be sold to other spammers.
The same thing can happen if you click “unsubscribe” to some spam messages.
So when my web host nukes a spam, they don't respond, but hold it in quarantine for about 30 days. Which is noble, but it takes a lot of time to sift through hundreds per day just to see if a false positive got in there. That's why I ask “if you didn't get a response, try again”.
The Internet gives us a wonderful world at our fingertips, but there are some downsides that we just have to put up with.
And with AI, spams and malware is getting more difficult to detect.
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