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Here's a recently released video from an experienced recording engineer and live performer, who also runs the URM Academy YouTube channel. He's used ProTools for many years, during which he completely dismissed Reaper. His explanation of his migration to Reaper is well worth the 14 minute watch. It even has me thinking about "do I really need to spend 150 € per year on Studio Pro (One) and another 150 € per year on Bitwig?". I bought a v6-v7 Reaper license for $60 in December of 2019, and Reaper's still got some v7 legs (v7.61 the last time I checked).
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Very interesting.
Thanx for sharing.
Back in my day the only time we started panic buying was when the bartender shouted "last call"!
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Amen! I started out with ProTools back in the mid 90's. But after a few years, PT left me when they became equipment specific. At that time I found Reaper and have never looked back. I actually try not to advocate for Reaper here in this forum. I don't want to be one of those guys who just hypes a specific DAW and tell everyone how great their DAW is. So I don't want to be the one to tell you that Reap is the greatest, but, Reap is the greatest. 
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I started learning how to use a DAW more intently about 5 years ago and have moved between Cakewalk by Bandlab - Cakewalk Sonar - Reaper. I recently ditched Cakewalk because all their previous core plugins disappeared - it might be an issue at my end, but I am highly suspicious that I am being moved from their free tier into a subscription. Being a retiree, I am on a tight budget, so these were a good fit. As I’ve gone in deeper, I am finding Reaper has a lot of standard plugins that I don’t need to buy elsewhere - not sure if they’re top shelf quality but they do the job for me … - ReaTune - I use for manual pitch correction - don’t have to pay for Melodyne
- JS De-esser- just yesterday, I needed to de-ess for the first time, and Reaper has it!
- LUFS - Reaper’s render feature has click and LUFS monitoring built in, so when I have my first draft mix done, I do a dry/trial render to see where everything is.
- Stretch markers - for alignment of vocal and guitar phrasing
As I learn or become aware of new techniques or issues to address, I am finding Reaper usually has something on hand. Andrew
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I started learning how to use a DAW more intently about 5 years ago and have moved between Cakewalk by Bandlab - Cakewalk Sonar - Reaper. I recently ditched Cakewalk because all their previous core plugins disappeared - it might be an issue at my end, but I am highly suspicious that I am being moved from their free tier into a subscription. Being a retiree, I am on a tight budget, so these were a good fit. As I’ve gone in deeper, I am finding Reaper has a lot of standard plugins that I don’t need to buy elsewhere - not sure if they’re top shelf quality but they do the job for me … Andrew, I don't know if you've discovered Kenny Gioia yet or not. He has an amazing understanding of Reaper and a tonne of videos that explains his understanding. I use Reaper and find it excellent to work with. https://www.youtube.com/@REAPERMania/featured--Noel
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Just me, but our forum host makes a DAW, so it seems a little awkward promoting another vendor's DAW here. I have tried the DAW you are referring to and I would argue that the forum host does NOT in fact have a DAW! Or, at least not one that could ever compete in the DAW industry!
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When listening to a song one can not tell if the song was recorded in a DAW or not. Every DAW has its pluses and minuses. So saying one DAW is better than another is just personal taste.
As far as posting information about DAWs on this site I think it is a good thing. For those whom want BiaB to become a full fledged DAW they can see what's out there. For PGM it might give them ideas to add to their products.
YMMV
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Just me, but our forum host makes a DAW, so it seems a little awkward promoting another vendor's DAW here. I have tried the DAW you are referring to and I would argue that the forum host does NOT in fact have a DAW! Or, at least not one that could ever compete in the DAW industry! Maybe. Lots of RealBand fans on this forum, just like Reaper fans. They're both devoted and passionate, aren't they? I used Reaper exclusively for about a week. Totally get the bells, whistles and "culture of customization" the influencer referenced. But Reaper is not much of a DAW for MY simple purposes either... Dang right. I'm old enough and been into computer music stuff since it pretty much started. I had cakewalk and what was it, Dr T I think, back when floppies were the common way to get data/applications.. I discovered PowerTracks early on (ver 3 maybe) and it brought me in to the fold. If you can't make a decent sounding song In PT/RB, the bells and whistles might as well be ornamental. They are basic serviceable DAWs and both do things no other software can natively with the generate options. Sure, I have used Reaper, actually have a license, but the end result can be indistinguishable between DAW A & B. One may be more fun for you, another for Joe over there by the coffee (he's making me nervous) but they both work.
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Just me, but our forum host makes a DAW, so it seems a little awkward promoting another vendor's DAW here. I have tried the DAW you are referring to and I would argue that the forum host does NOT in fact have a DAW! Or, at least not one that could ever compete in the DAW industry! Maybe. Lots of RealBand fans on this forum It is a free included tool when you buy BIAB; they don't even try to sell it stand-alone, and for good reason! You'd be hard pressed to find many (any?) Realband users outside of the PGM universe! Why is that? How come Reaper fans or Ableton Live fans or BandLab fans or FL Studio fans or Reason fans or Logic Pro fans or Pro Tools fans aren't giving up their DAWs and flocking to Realband? I've tried it several times and concluded it is not even in the same class as the DAWs on the market.
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Just me, but our forum host makes a DAW, so it seems a little awkward promoting another vendor's DAW here. I have tried the DAW you are referring to and I would argue that the forum host does NOT in fact have a DAW! Or, at least not one that could ever compete in the DAW industry! Maybe. Lots of RealBand fans on this forum It is a free included tool when you buy BIAB; they don't even try to sell it stand-alone, and for good reason! You'd be hard pressed to find many (any?) Realband users outside of the PGM universe! Why is that? How come Reaper fans or Ableton Live fans or BandLab fans or FL Studio fans or Reason fans or Logic Pro fans or Pro Tools fans aren't giving up their DAWs and flocking to Realband? I've tried it several times and concluded it is not even in the same class as the DAWs on the market. That was one of the biggest loads of Gibberish I have seen here. They sell Powertracks separate. Realband is a merger of BiaB and Powertracks. Why aren't Reaper fans flocking to Pro Tools? Or FL Studio fans flocking to Reaper? straw man much?
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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daw vs daw...its like pc vs mac lol.
you can do great songs in any daw app these days imho.
I'm a Reaper user and also real band user and a band In A Box user.
I've used all three music apps on lots of songs.
Each has pluses and minuses.
Let me say real band does things that no other app I've seen does.
I use the strengths of each of the three apps.
I wonder how much the real band manual has been read by people who knock real band.... have they also gone through the extensive tips in real band ?
Yes real band has some quirks but if you're really willing to get stuck in it has some great unique features.
Om
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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That was one of the biggest loads of Gibberish I have seen here. Almost as big a load as the idea that Realband could ever compete in the DAW marketplace as a standalone product!
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Hey, I've deleted my posts, including the one where I said I was wrong. FWIW, nowhere in the deleted posts here was a statement that RealBand can compete as a standalone product. I only said our host makes it, and plenty of folks use it and like it. Or that's what I intended to say. No matter...
My sincere apologies to all for my offensive statements.
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My sincere apologies to all for my offensive statements.
Still friends? OK, I apologize as well as I am the resident Realband hater. If you use it and like it, all the more power to you! I would just advise any new BIAB user to at least try out other affordable DAW options in addition to trying out the free included one. Personally, after trying Realband every couple of years since I became a BIAB user 14 years ago, I have always found other DAWs to be superior.
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My sincere apologies to all for my offensive statements.
Still friends? OK, I apologize as well as I am the resident Realband hater. If you use it and like it, all the more power to you! I would just advise any new BIAB user to at least try out other affordable DAW options in addition to trying out the free included one. Personally, after trying Realband every couple of years since I became a BIAB user 14 years ago, I have always found other DAWs to be superior. Ha! I could never seriously use RealBand for music production either. It's amazing to me that so many do. But they do...
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My sincere apologies to all for my offensive statements.
Still friends? OK, I apologize as well as I am the resident Realband hater. If you use it and like it, all the more power to you! I would just advise any new BIAB user to at least try out other affordable DAW options in addition to trying out the free included one. Personally, after trying Realband every couple of years since I became a BIAB user 14 years ago, I have always found other DAWs to be superior. Ha! I could never seriously use RealBand for music production either. It's amazing to me that so many do. But they do... I have tried to use Realband but I could not get use to its workflow, especially after using a number of other DAWs. Cakewalk, Presonus Studio One Pro, and now Fender Studio Pro as well as a few others always seemed easier for me to use, i.e. it fit my workflow BUT that is on me. I want to make music while I can and not try to learn a new DAW, especially when I have one I like and use now; that also includes not learning Reaper. Those whom use Realband took the time to learn all of its nuances and it works for their workflow. As I have said you can't tell what DAW, if one was even used, was used when listening to a song. YMMV
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Hey! I already admitted I use other products, I was just offended by someone saying PGMusic doesn't even offer a standalone DAW.
They do.
Like every other DAW; choose what works best for you for the need.
I have paid for other DAW licenses, so it's not like I am 'stuck' on RB, I just hate when people say "it's not a DAW" because it is.
So is Powertracks.
That argument is dumb, and I am no longer participating in it after this.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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John 3. heres what i find baffling and please excuse my stupidity. (recuperating from minor surgery.) you hate rb right ?? but why dont you hate bb even more ? given there there are features rb has that bb doesnt. for example... ..rb tracks view is choc full of features re handling audio/midi tracks compared to bb tracks view. (to be fair bb tracks view is new.) ..rb supports fractional tempos. ..odd time sigs support in rb. for example in rb tracks view a user can see visually every bars division...eg 6 or 8 or whatever. not in bb. ..rb handling of 48k projects. ..rb supports multi input sound interfaces. and i'm just getting started. for a complete list i posted a long list on these forums of when rb should be considered over bb....might be usefull for new users...and lurkers. https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=859949#Post859949some people have done over 80 songs in rb...can it really be that bad ?? now dont get me wrong...i like various aspects of bb. one major one being the blink of an eye genning. but then on the back end i have to wait a tad for track creation prior to dragging into reaps. while with rb the front end is a tad slower but i can drag tracks into reaper lickety split. frankly i love the combo of rb and reaper working together. also if rb is so bad why do some mac users request rb be available on the mac platform ? john i'm not trying to upset anyone but i'm just curious why the hate for rb over bb given the above ? happiness. om
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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The thing with RB is this. Yes it does things somewhat different than most other DAW packages. Some of that is due to the background of it coming from Powertracks. Which to me was a very similar package to what cakewalk was 15 years ago. While PT and RB have not been developed at the same rate as say a sonar or Reaper it is still very potent when utilized properly. Yes it should have the fancy tools the others do. But not one of the other products have the BiaB engine backing up a simple functional DAW.
Sure you can add the BiaB plugin to Reaper or Studio one and generate tracks but then the process moves on. With RB you can generate tracks and listen generate again, select a section and regen until you get what you want. Any section or the whole track or the whole song.
People say that you can’t comp vocal tracks WRONG! You can. You can’t use third party plugins WRONG! You can.
It simple does a very solid job. Yes it needs some refinements however it gets work done! Simply and with a flair. RTs, RD,s, loops, midi, all works great.
If you like the workflow elsewhere great then no worries. If you want to create in BiaB and move to multitrack recording and still have BiaB tools at your fingertips then you can right there in RB just open the .sgu file there and go to work.
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I want to add a couple things or maybe clarify a few things. 1. you can do anything in RB that just about any other product can do, it can de-ess, it can compress, it can EQ. It can use 3rd party plugins. 2. Reaper is a very powerful and streamlined, and yet complex DAW. I have had it since version 4. I use it and yet find it a pain to hunt down stuff and a joy to do simple tracking in. I have had Cakewalk/Sonar since the floppy home studio days. Used Sonic Foundries Acid pro versions 2, 3, 4. I have used Studio one versions 2, 3, and 4. Used Multitrackstudios (a powerful robust program.) used Harrison Mixbus and love it. Used Powertracks and RB both powertracks since version 3 RB since inception. I have tracked and mixed well over 150 songs. I have done head-to-head comparisons, i can't tell the difference when done. I have seen the value in each and seen that they are all good in many ways. Same results different roads.
To say that RB would not have a following if it was a separate product is silly. It is not, it is free and it is unique. It is also very capable. I used it exclusively for a while and back then it didn't have a real comping feature that was easy to use. That was the only reason i move to other programs. Now that it has that capability i and using it for almost every project. I do not miss anything the others have. I am able to start from scratch there. or start from BiaB and move over with three clicks. Is it better than Reaper. NO! is it less capable? NO!
It boils down to workflow, and familiarity. Bob is correct!
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Rob.
what i'm grappling to understand is why some folks dislike
rb while various people like it ?
maybe it IS familiarity.
i find it such a breeze useing rb with reaper.
and rb complements reaps in sooo many ways...useing advantages of each.
which is why i dont need the bb daw plugin in reaper.
the combo of rb and reaper gives me many more advantages.
so i wonder if more pg rb vids as well as example projects
say with other daws like reaper would help folks realise
there are many benefits of rb with another daw....
ie...rb complementing the other daw.
so where does bb come in ?
what i think bb is good at is say getting a song idea down fast
because of generation speed.
but for heavy lifting then i take the rough song idea
bb project into rb where i'm spoilt for numbers of tracks
and audio/midi features.
i prolly will use bb tracks view once audio/midi features like in
rb tracks view are implemented.
bottom line i would like to see pg put out more info/vids
on use of rb which i'm sure would help new and existing
users not getting frustrated...ie work methods showing laying down a song from start to finish....
(btw...for some reason i cant explain i think the mp3 creator in rb is fab.)
i should mention when i first came to powertracks and then
rb i found the number of features daunting ...there was a learning cycle.
but i kept at it until i had worked out how to use them.
as ive said before to get the best out of rb ya gotta
be willing to go thru a learning cycle and get stuck in.
i really think pg could ameliorate such by vids/much more info.
btw after many years useing both bb and rb (and even reaper) i smack myself that i discovered some feature
thats daw life...lol.
happiness.
om
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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what i'm grappling to understand is why some folks dislike
rb while various people like it ? om, this is why this user doesn't use rb. Back in 2022 you personally tried to help me get started with it. We both failed, we both gave up and the tech support here for rb was nearly non-existent. I then found Studio One, their support was/is great and it's been smooth sailing ever since. Do you remember this thread? Could there be a lesson here? https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=95124&Number=702255
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2026 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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Likely only a handfull of us here who can fully appreciate the significance of this reference going back some 4 years. Certainly the less things change the more they stay the same here in the forum!
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thumper.
i re-read the thread...
sorry you couldnt get rb working with your rig.
many of us rb users are working fine....as rob said he has done a ton of songs with rb as have i and other users.
often it comes down to settings....difficult to help sometimes if the helper
isnt actually there seeing the probs first hand.
as ive said rb needs more supporting vids re useage/set up etc.
rb can be a tad finicky in this aspect.
there are global settings in rb prefs and also track settings.
the other daws prolly go for a default settings set up ??
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thumper.
i re-read the thread...
sorry you couldnt get rb working with your rig. No sorries needed, you did your best back in 2022, and I appreciated that, I was brand new back then, still messing around with Audacity. As for going forward, this rocket has left the launch pad and is powered by Fender Studio Pro. Fly me away to the bright side of the moon
And meet me on the other side-- Gary Wright 
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Thumper.
re rb and your rig.
heres what i think might be happening.....
heres the scenario..
todays advanced sound interfaces have various input
and output driver selections often for WAS and ASIO.
thus its important to select the right drivers.
basically its a gotcha.
on my interface for example i have various selection options for drivers.
thus its easy to get a prob given the various options if the right driver isnt selected.
heres a suggestion.
you say other music apps work with your rig fine.
sooo...i would like you to go to the user preferences
of each of them and log the driver selections for each whether
WAS or ASIO....THEN...ensure you use the same driver selections
for input and output drivers in RB.
follow up whether still a problem....or if prob solved.
in my interface i have to be carefull re driver selection.
ive seen the above gotcha with various rigs.
i think its got to be a settings issue because too many
of us are running rb just fine....as i said some rb users have done over 80 songs in rb and more.
another thing you might want to try is rent another interface (it only costs a few bucks for a week..dirt cheap...)
and see if the prob goes away.
hth and thats all i got.
om
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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sooo...i would like you to go to the user preferences
of each of them and log the driver selections for each whether
WAS or ASIO....
om om, you seem to not understand. This rocket has left the launch pad and is powered by Fender Studio Pro.
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Thumper.
fyi i'm looking to use FSP due to its range of guitar features..
and its orientation towards guitar players etc....big market of guitar players.
then i'll use rb to generate guitar and bass tracks as well as midi tracks and drop them into FSP and take advantage of FSP's guitar features.
this was a smart move by Fender imho appealing to guitar players...and really ups the
daw ante eg reaper and others.
i'm impressed from what i see so far.
om
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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Thumper.
fyi i'm looking to use FSP due to its range of guitar features..
and its orientation towards guitar players etc....big market of guitar players.
then i'll use rb to generate guitar and bass tracks as well as midi tracks and drop them into FSP and take advantage of FSP's guitar features. Good for you man. I've said before, whatever workflow gets the job done efficiently, go for it. Can we look forward to details and a Showcase example or two? As for FSP, I just hope the corporate "suits" don't come in and ruin a fantastic DAW. So far it appears that the dev team has been left alone; let's hope that continues.
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2026 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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"As for FSP, I just hope the corporate "suits" don't come in and ruin a fantastic DAW."
When has Fender ever done something like that? <grin>
/I kind of expect it anymore
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Oh boy..
So is there a possibility that support at some point could be dropped for FSP..
My concern is that in my humble opinion fsp and real band together is a wonderful powerful song creators solution... probably the best I've ever seen in the daw world.... particularly for guitar players.
I love the possibility that guitar tracks generated by real band the sound picture could be changed by the guitar algorithms in fsp... just easily dropping the generated guitar tracks into FS.
Reason being sometimes I don't like the sound picture of a guitar track generated but I like what it's playing.
This I find to be very exciting. Because PG guitar tracks generated can be presented in a song many different ways using FS.
Om
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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"As for FSP, I just hope the corporate "suits" don't come in and ruin a fantastic DAW."
When has Fender ever done something like that? <grin>
/I kind of expect it anymore Do you have examples where Fender ruined a product?
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"As for FSP, I just hope the corporate "suits" don't come in and ruin a fantastic DAW."
When has Fender ever done something like that? <grin>
/I kind of expect it anymore Do you have examples where Fender ruined a product? DAWs no but some guitars yes: https://guitarriego.com/en-us/guitar/the-failures-of-fender-ugly-guitars-weird-or-not-understood/BUT Gibson did ruin a fantastic DAW, i.e. Vision. Plus over the years suits have killed a number of good DAWs and other software. Lets hope Fender doesn't follow suit; pun not intended.
Back in my day the only time we started panic buying was when the bartender shouted "last call"!
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Fender has tried to improve the Stratocaster SO many times. S-1 switching. Lace Sensor pickups. Roller nuts. The list goes on. Thankfully, they keep rolling it back to something close to Leo's original design.
Gibson also stopped developing Cakewalk just after I bought my "lifetime license". BandLab had to rescue them...
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"As for FSP, I just hope the corporate "suits" don't come in and ruin a fantastic DAW."
When has Fender ever done something like that? <grin>
/I kind of expect it anymore Do you have examples where Fender ruined a product? Slapping the Fender/Strat name on cheap imported guitars G&L Cortana Price fixing (2020) Fender amps with cheap MDF Fender amps with cheap baffling How long a list you want? / one thing after another Still, I do own a couple Strats so I'm not 'against' Fender products, not optimistic though, either, when they venture into DAW territory I remember Gibson/Cakewalk and ya know ..
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"As for FSP, I just hope the corporate "suits" don't come in and ruin a fantastic DAW."
When has Fender ever done something like that? <grin>
/I kind of expect it anymore Do you have examples where Fender ruined a product? Slapping the Fender/Strat name on cheap imported guitars G&L Cortana Price fixing (2020) Fender amps with cheap MDF Fender amps with cheap baffling How long a list you want? / one thing after another Still, I do own a couple Strats so I'm not 'against' Fender products, not optimistic though, either, when they venture into DAW territory I remember Gibson/Cakewalk and ya know .. There's enough precedent to worry. Consider GM. - Installed Chevy engines in Oldsmobiles. Got caught. Killed the brand. - Installed technically inferior Turbo-Hydramatic 350 transmissions in cars with big displacement engines instead of a spec'd THM400 (an excellent transmission). Got caught. - On a personal note, undersized the 4-wheel disk brakes on late '80s Buick Gran Sports while still spec'ing them for 30K miles before service. Mine lasted precisely one week beyond the 1 year warranty period. By the time I reached 30K miles, I'd replaced the disks and rotors 3 times at my expense. The issue was well-known to service techs (who whispered it to me), but never made public. And don't get me started on Stellantis.
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I never understood why this was an issue
"- Installed Chevy engines in Oldsmobiles. ."
The Turbo Hydomatic 350 cost me in my GMC conversion van back in the 80-90s .. so that one I get
I found a guy that rebuilt them and kept a few on hand, it was so common.
Nobody needs too get started on Stellantis .. junk
/It's starting to sound like corporations are in it for the $$ <grin>
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Gibson also stopped developing Cakewalk just after I bought my "lifetime license". BandLab had to rescue them... I read a little about the Cakewalk saga although that didn't affect me personally. I'm sure the folks at Fender/Presonus are well-acquainted with that story and so I'm optomistic that FSP will continue to grow in the years to come. But even if it doesn't, the current version does virtually everything I need in a clean, user-friendly and elegant way. On a side note, I love my Fender Jazz Bass and Bronco 40 practice amp 
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Yeah, a Jazz bass is on my wishlist
Unfortunately it's gonna be there for a while longer I'm sure.
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so...re FSP...
its not exactly cheap.
re the preceeding comments...what are the odds it might be dropped ?
60 per cent ?? more ??
tech markets are littered with orphan products.
it would be interesting to know is presonus going to
be a presence still in the market ?
looks like they will be according to music tech etc.
i really really hope that FSP thrives, because it would be
a great marriage imho with RB. the latter for genning loads of
gtr tracks which are then dropped into FSP for altering the sound character.
heres my prob...
i like gtr tracks that are exciting...but find some RT's bland re
guitar...so i'm always looking for ways to morph
the gtr rt's into excitement via dsp algorithms.
i really wish pg had a way to take dry gtr tracks and morph the
gtr's into 'oh yeah baby' tracks.
guitarists around the world would be flocking to pg's door imho.
sometimes ive been lucky dropping rb genned gtr rt's into reaper
and then dropping in a plugin on the track and mucking with dsp
algos....but...very time consuming...trying to find those 'oh yeah baby gtr sounds.
pg's bass rt's i have no probs with.
just gtr rt's.....gimme more excitement...lol
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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Fender has tried to improve the Stratocaster SO many times. S-1 switching. Lace Sensor pickups. Roller nuts. The list goes on. Thankfully, they keep rolling it back to something close to Leo's original design. I actually like the Lace Sensor pickups, I have them in one of my strats. Never cared for the Gold ones, mine has the Red, Silver and Blue set. I'm on a Strat user group over on FB and lots of people still swear by them. I also like the Fender Noiseless pickups they introduced a few years later, I have them in my '04 strat which is my main guitar. And I would argue that the five way switch that was introduced in the late 70's is a definite improvement over the original three way switch that Leo chose. To each his own I guess!
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Fender has tried to improve the Stratocaster SO many times. S-1 switching. Lace Sensor pickups. Roller nuts. The list goes on. Thankfully, they keep rolling it back to something close to Leo's original design. I actually like the Lace Sensor pickups, I have them in one of my strats. Never cared for the Gold ones, mine has the Red, Silver and Blue set. I'm on a Strat user group over on FB and lots of people still swear by them. I also like the Fender Noiseless pickups they introduced a few years later, I have them in my '04 strat which is my main guitar. And I would argue that the five way switch that was introduced in the late 70's is a definite improvement over the original three way switch that Leo chose. To each his own I guess! For sure! I'll throw the original 7.25" fingerboard radius into the "acquired taste" category, too. Oh, the RWRP middle pickup was another good innovation that stuck. Love positions 2 and 4. Was referring less to MY tastes in gear than to the innovation reversals over the decades: The market just tends to swing them back to an old school Strat, noisy pickups and all. Go figure...
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