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Wow, how do you like this - Tonalic integrates Scaler!  Music applications must learn to work well with others for their success. This is why I have long advocated BIAB share / Inherit its chord progression with others as simple as drag and drop.
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<< “One (Tonalic) is far superior to the other but one (BIAB plug-in) has more instruments (for now).”>>
That comparison overlooks a fundamental limitation in Tonalic’s current design.
Tonalic’s core functionality is dependent on ARA integration, which tightly couples it to the DAW. At present, many widely used DAWs either do not support ARA at all or support it only partially. As a result, a large segment of users cannot access Tonalic’s full feature set; even if they purchase it. In that sense, this release promises potential that it does not yet deliver universally.
By contrast, the BIAB plug-in is not a reduced product. It is a gateway to the entire BIAB standalone engine. That distinction matters.
The commonly accepted idea that users “only use 10% of BIAB” exposes the weakness in the comparison. Even when working inside a DAW centered workflow, the BIAB plug-in can leverage some of the remaining 90% of BIAB’s arrangement logic, form control, substitution rules, medleys, and generation tools before tracks ever reach the DAW. That allows for exporting tracks, or complete songs, of greater structural and musical complexity than Tonalic can currently produce. There's also the option to produce and arrange tracks entirely in BIAB retaining 100% of the software. That's how PGM produces all demo's, lessons, artist performance tracks. The artist performance sets with vocals are all saved as SGU/MGU files, not RealBand SEQ files, not as pro-tools, studio one, Reaper, Cubase, etc. That's another distinction that matters.
Every forum member I’m aware of who posts DAW finished songs in the User Showcase, especially those who comp, edit, and manually manipulate multiple RealTracks exported to their DAW, still operates within that same 10%/90% reality. The difference isn’t whether the other 90% exists; it’s which parts of it are not accessed and how that affects the quality of what gets exported.
Which specific features remain unused varies by workflow, but the ratio remains remarkably consistent: roughly 10% active usage, 90% ignored; even though that ignored portion is still shaping the quality of what ultimately ends up in the DAW in a negative way. This is not true at all. The program is not dependent on ARA at all. Just like Melodyne was not dependent on ARA. Pro Tool Users could use Melodyne before Pro Tools ever had ARA. If you watch this video you will see that it can be used in any DAW and what ARA is doing in Studio One because of the ARA on the chord track which is in Studio One. Tonalic First Steps – Getting Started with Tonalics Apple Logic Pro is getting it's chord track updated this month. What this has to do with is the chord track.
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This is all so new. But the demo and usage vidoes doing a good job to state the claims. I suggest no one comment on these topics until at least they have viewed all the demos. Personnally I am trying to hold back as much as I can so as not to just stir the pot. Besure to look very closely at Chords Demo and Tempo and Timing Demos. Very interesting and features are very promising. I contacted support for my free Essentials version, but no word back yet, but heck $1 to sign up for a month should be a no brainer for me. I have reviewed all the videos.
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DrDan, well, if promoting a competitive product on this forum isn't stirring the pot, I'm not sure what is. I'm funny like that though. 
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DrDan, well, if promoting a competitive product on this forum isn't stirring the pot, I'm not sure what is. I'm funny like that though. Especially when comparing it as a direct competitor. Some forums may remove such a post. BiaB moderators have been gracious in that aspect. So far. Thanks PG moderators.
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Normally a discussion about other music software would be in the Off-Topic Forum, unless this is a tip about how to use that other software with BIAB in this Recording forum.
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Normally a discussion about other music software would be in the Off-Topic Forum, unless this is a tip about how to use that other software with BIAB in this Recording forum. Guess what? You heard it here first. It runs as a VST3 in BIAB!  That should make this applicable to BIAB. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=32194&filename=Screenshot 2026-01-17 150600.jpg)
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I have to say that I saw some impressive features there. That level of integration has been well thought out.
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Yes it's definitely off topic but as I've mentioned several times competition is good.
PGM will definitely see things that it does and then see if they can come up with an equivalent results.
In the end, you as the customer will win.
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Normally a discussion about other music software would be in the Off-Topic Forum, unless this is a tip about how to use that other software with BIAB in this Recording forum. Guess what? You heard it here first. It runs as a VST3 in BIAB! That should make this applicable to BIAB. Thanks. I watched a lot of the video but not all. I would still suggest this topic is another music program promoting itself by including the name of another program in which it will work. That doesn’t make it related to a BIAB project, for which this forum exists. You are of course correct it is applicable to BIAB, but so are many other programs. I was just responding to the comment that perhaps the discussion is not in the best choice of forums. Having said that, I find the new product impressive and when it has jazz rhythm sections, I’ll be back to look.
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My thought for placing this thread here is Tonalic is a tool best suited for use in a recording and audio production environment.
Also, the thread heading does not indicate Tonalic is a Band-in-a-Box competitor; but the header does ask if it might become competitive with RealTracks.
I could have also compared it to MidiSuperTracks but PG Music has not created as many MidiSuperTrack sets as they have RealTrack sets. Because RealTracks have been such a success for PG Music I felt a comparison between Tonalic and RealTracks would be an easier subject to comment on.
Tonalic can't be a Band-in-a-Box competitor because it is a plugin and not a computer software program.
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<< " This is not true at all. The program is not dependent on ARA at all. Just like Melodyne was not dependent on ARA. Pro Tool Users could use Melodyne before Pro Tools ever had ARA.
If you watch this video you will see that it can be used in any DAW and what ARA is doing in Studio One because of the ARA on the chord track which is in Studio One. Tonalic First Steps – Getting Started with Tonalics
Apple Logic Pro is getting it's chord track updated this month. What this has to do with is the chord track." >>Thanks for the clarification, Brian. I agree with you on the narrow technical point, and I'll correct my phrasing. Tonalic is not technically dependent on ARA in the sense that it will not run without it, just as Melodyne could function prior to ARA adoption in Pro Tools. That’s fair. Where I still stand by my point is where Tonalic’s primary value proposition currently resides. In the demo video in the thread, 'New from Celemony', I'm referencing around the 6:30 mark, the “intelligent humanization,” bar-to-bar continuity, voice leading, and chord-aware performance shaping were presented as a major feature and capability meaningfully to Tonalic. Yesterday’s comment that “this applies to the ARA part”, currently supported only in Studio One and Fender Studio Pro, strongly suggests that those features are most fully realized when Tonalic can interact directly with the DAW’s chord track via ARA as you noted today. So while Tonalic can be used in any DAW, this headline functionality is not yet universally accessible, because many users cannot currently access the chord-aware, continuously adaptive behavior that’s being highlighted in the marketing and demonstrations. That’s all I meant by saying the release promises more potential than it presently delivers universally. It’s not a criticism of the technology itself, it’s my observation about availability of one of its most emphasized features across the broader DAW software today. As more DAWs adopt the necessary ARA/chord-track integration, that limitation will likely diminish. At this point, though, it remains a practical constraint for a significant portion of users. However, the humanization feature has long been an integral part of the BIAB algorithm.
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... When 90% of BIAB’s functionality is ignored or misunderstood, it becomes easy to misinterpret what competing software is doing, or to mistake long-standing BIAB features for innovations elsewhere. ... This sounds like a good idea for a new thread ... 'I use [part of] 90% of BIAB that others don't - here's what I know ...' Andrew
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I do agree with you as well on them points Charles. As a long time user of BIAB they have had quite a bit of lead way in this field. I have no doubt Celemony is a very capable of producing top notch software as I have also been a user of Melodyne for many years. There are not very many DAWS left out there that has not adapted ARA into their program.
I am still waiting for my essential license to try this limited version but I am in no hurry at this point since there is plenty still to play with since my latest software upgrades with BIAB and other stuff.
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I just learned that owners of Fender Studio Pro v8 get a free perpetual license for Tonalic Essential! Log into your Fender account and click on "View Details" for the Fender Studio Pro "New Release". Then click on the Celemony Tonalic product card. Swipe and copy the "Product Key" and then click on "Redeem". Now it gets a bit complicated. Clicking on Redeem just dumps you on the Tonalic home page. Then, click on "Buy" and choose any one of the subscription options. This will take you to a page where you create an account. Above the data entry fields, there's this line: If you already have an activation code for a product you can register it or add it to an existing account. Click on "register it". This will take you to another account creation page where you enter your details. After you confirm the email address, the next page (IIRC) let's you enter the Product Key. You can then download Tonalic Essential. I was surprised and pleased that it granted a perpetual license and not something like one free month. In Studio Pro v8, there's a Tonalic tab in the Browser between "Loops" and "Files" on the right side of the SP8 window. I don't know if this tab was there all along or got added after I installed Essential. Anyway, click on the Tonalic tab and log into the account you just created, and Bob's your uncle.
Note that there's a standalone version that also get installed. On Windows, Tonalic.exe is located in: C:\Program Files\Celemony\Tonalic
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I just learned that owners of Fender Studio Pro v8 get a free perpetual license for Tonalic Essential! Log into your Fender account and click on "View Details" for the Fender Studio Pro "New Release". Then click on the Celemony Tonalic product card. Swipe and copy the "Product Key" and then click on "Redeem". Now it gets a bit complicated. Clicking on Redeem just dumps you on the Tonalic home page. Then, click on "Buy" and choose any one of the subscription options. This will take you to a page where you create an account. Above the data entry fields, there's this line: If you already have an activation code for a product you can register it or add it to an existing account. Click on "register it". This will take you to another account creation page where you enter your details. After you confirm the email address, the next page (IIRC) let's you enter the Product Key. You can then download Tonalic Essential. I was surprised and pleased that it granted a perpetual license and not something like one free month. In Studio Pro v8, there's a Tonalic tab in the Browser between "Loops" and "Files" on the right side of the SP8 window. I don't know if this tab was there all along or got added after I installed Essential. Anyway, click on the Tonalic tab and log into the account you just created, and Bob's your uncle.
Note that there's a standalone version that also get installed. On Windows, Tonalic.exe is located in: C:\Program Files\Celemony\Tonalic It also gives you up to $100 off of the first year subscription if you choose to upgrade. So for a year subscription to the standard version is only $49.
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I won't go anywhere near subscription models so it's no competition for me.
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I won't go anywhere near subscription models so it's no competition for me. I do not have any subscription software myself and have no desire too. But at $4 a month for a year and can cancel anytime that is not so bad. You also keep any work you do as long as you have bounced the tracks and saved of course. When I think about it I spend $200 a year on BIAB with the 49 pk each year so it is 4 times as much a month for Real musicians.
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But at $4 a month for a year and can cancel anytime that is not so bad. I only see two options, $14.90 month and $24,90?
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As a melodyne user, I just got a free copy of the essentials version. In the very little time I spent playing with it on a new song, it seems like a convoluted way to do things and I really wasn't impressed with the sound quality. I'll watch a few of their videos on how it's supposed to work before I pull the plug and uninstall it. But at this point it's not looking good for tonalics.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
XPro & Xtra Styles PAK Sets On Sale Now - Until May 15, 2026!
All of our XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs are on sale until May 15th, 2026!
It's the perfect time to expand your Band-in-a-Box® style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs. These additional styles for Band-in-a-Box® offer a wide range of genres designed to fit seamlessly into your projects. Each style is professionally arranged and mixed, helping enhance your songs while saving you time.
What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-10 includes 1,000 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 includes 3,700 styles (and 35 MIDI styles)!
The XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs are not included in any Band-in-a-Box® package.
The XPro Styles PAKs 1-10 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.
The Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the Xtra Styles PAK Bundle for only $199 (reg. $349)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version as they require the RealTracks included in the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Supercharge your Band-in-a-Box today with XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAK Sets!
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