It's BIAB all the way!

I will rephrase what I saw was going on here when I joined PGM world. There are people who beg for change and a significantly smaller, but very vocal group who dig their toes and try to "prevent" or "obstruct" any type of progress. No finger pointing, just observation. Most of BIAB inherited issues that we experience now, in my opinion are result of "kindness" by PGM of trying to appeal to both camps. It seems that finally some good effort was made to stabilize and rework some of the obscure workflow implementations. Some. If they want to stay on top of their game or at least remain in the game in foreseeable future, they need to aggressively rework a lot of abnormalities and fix items that are long due to be fixed. Giving extreme attention to consistency and workflow. A workflow that doesn't require user to dig deep into thick manual, or use 250 workarounds that some push as "solutions". If five years ago BIAB was one step ahead of "competitors", now that distance had shortened. On the bright side, because of how much logic and content packed into BIAB, it could take many unwalked paths.


The new UI incorporated many of the ideas discussed in the PGM pinned topics in wishlist. It still needs a lot of work, but came out much (!) better than expected. I hope a new set of pinned and curated topics will be rolled out in 2026. The sooner, the better. I also hope that everyone who cares about BIAB and knows its deeper corners will join the discussion so we can all help elevate it to the place it deserves.

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As far as Tonalic goes, personally I have no desire to touch anything subscription, but I fully agree with jpettit: "Is competition good? Yes, It could be the strongest driver for innovation in BIAB" +1