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Been travelling all day so missed a lot of the news on the Chilean miners, but just caught the last few hours of the rescue. Very, very emotional. The courage that man demonstrates in his rise to a challenge is phenomenal: the miners for being able to socially, physically, and mentally survive their ordeal of 69 days of entrapment; the rescue miners that willingly entered the shaft and went to the bottom to assist in the loading of the Phoenix; the teams of experts from various countries that willingly contributed their skills and assisted the Chileans; the Chileans from the President on down who truly believed they could do it; and finally you and me that watched these events with bated breath hoping for the best outcome. This is truly a great day! DennisD
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yep it's a good for those families.
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I think it should be noted that the Chilean President led the country in a prayer of thanks to God for the safe return of the miners, and the heroic efforts of all those who were instrumental in getting this job done.
It should be noted as well that this great international effort ran smoothly, mostly due to the people involved, and not big Government.
A national prayer, led by the President, hmmmm what a great idea.
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you can't get that in this country, even with an act of congress, but them congress wouldn't act, sad.
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I think it should be noted that the Chilean President led the country in a prayer of thanks to God for the safe return of the miners, and the heroic efforts of all those who were instrumental in getting this job done.
It should be noted as well that this great international effort ran smoothly, mostly due to the people involved, and not big Government.
A national prayer, led by the President, hmmmm what a great idea.
Similar thoughts in my household Toucher.
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A national prayer, led by the President, hmmmm what a great idea.
President Roosevelt also prayed on nationwide media at the beginning of the U.S. involvement in WW2.
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I think it should be noted that the Chilean President led the country in a prayer of thanks to God for the safe return of the miners
If God was instrumental in the miners safe return should we presume He was instrumental in the cave in?
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I think it should be noted that the Chilean President led the country in a prayer of thanks to God for the safe return of the miners
If God was instrumental in the miners safe return should we presume He was instrumental in the cave in?
Only if someone was praying for it to occurr 
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Steve, Quote:
If God was instrumental in the miners safe return should we presume He was instrumental in the cave in?
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Only if someone was praying for it to occur
I think a common misconception that some people have is that everything that happens is God’s will. Believers and non-believers use that as a starting point for an argument, (or let’s say a “discussion”). If that were true, people would be nothing more than puppets and God would be nothing more than the Almighty String Puller, which fortunately for us He isn’t. God intervenes when He wants to, and sometimes when He is asked to intervene.
The reasons for the “cave in” would probably fall into only two categories. Either the strata was unstable or safety protocols weren’t followed. I worked in the mines of WV for 3-1/2 years so I’m pretty familiar with the process of mining and the dangers involved. If I was trapped underground, I sure hope there would be LOTS of people praying for my rescue. I know that I would be on my knees in the mud and rocks spending some "quality time" talking to God if I were trapped there.
I’m not offended when an atheist or agnostic expresses their beliefs. They have a right to think whatever they choose. It’s called free will. I am puzzled when these same people choose to make fun of those who do have faith. Especially when it doesn’t affect them.
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My wife tells me I say something funny every once in a while. Thanks for noting the humor - just as it was intended  .
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It was awesome to watch people come together for their fellow man. I can't imagine what those miners went through for those first few days, wow. Then they made contact with the outside world and plan A, B & C started.
I am glad the Chilean President allowed others to help and then allow for the live broadcast of the rescue effort. Those miners probably felt like they were literally rescued from their grave. I am sure their whole outlook on life has changed. I know mine did when my daughter had the Swine Flu.
I am thankful everything came together and they all made it out alive.
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I was very taken with the Chilean president hugging all the men as they came out. He seemed like a very caring, genuine individual. Someting like that would be way beyond the stuffed shirts of Cameron & his henchmen over here. All they want is to line their own damn pockets and trod on those who get in their way
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I think it should be noted that the Chilean President led the country in a prayer of thanks to God for the safe return of the miners
If God was instrumental in the miners safe return should we presume He was instrumental in the cave in?
My guess would be yes, as I was always told God works in mysterious ways.
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I think it should be noted that the Chilean President led the country in a prayer of thanks to God for the safe return of the miners
If God was instrumental in the miners safe return should we presume He was instrumental in the cave in?
Yep, and in all the cases in the US where the miners were killed.
I think smart people got these guys out. And plain good luck.
Great news no matter!
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Aye, good, luck lots of preperation & thought. I watched most of it on telly and was very impressed with the whole operation
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Reminded me a little of the Apollo 13 mission.
Also, when the US pilot got shot down in Bosnia and they found him after several days. They'd almost given up when they finally found him. They went in with choppers and planes and a couple hundred men and got him.
Something just real uplifting about a bunch of people doing what it takes to save a few.
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Hmm, doesn`t always end that well. Remember Lassing, Austria 1998. 10 men walked in to get 1 out. All 10 were killed while after 10 days without food, beverage and complete darkness the one that they went in for was rescued out safely with nothing more than lung and kidney problems. He`s physically healthy today, but a psychic wreck. 10 of his buddies died because they wanted to save him.
Personally I don`t think God has anything to do with however things like these end. Chile spend 20 Million Dollars and really WANTED to get the guys out. They put all their effort and cleverness into it. And don`t forget - the circumstances were really good. In Austria they had pressure problems, they could have never done what was technically possible in Chile (good geology, hard rocks etc.).
A whole nation (Chile) stood behind this project and got their buddies back. Congratulations Chile.
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I was very taken with the Chilean president hugging all the men as they came out. He seemed like a very caring, genuine individual. Someting like that would be way beyond the stuffed shirts of Cameron & his henchmen over here. All they want is to line their own damn pockets and trod on those who get in their way
Graham. I feel that your comment above has absolutely nothing to do with the original post and is a good example of why we should all take care to respect forum rule #9.
There are any number of internet platforms where you can debate the merits or otherwise of politicians etc.
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Hmm, doesn`t always end that well. Remember Lassing, Austria 1998. 10 men walked in to get 1 out. All 10 were killed while after 10 days without food, beverage and complete darkness the one that they went in for was rescued out safely with nothing more than lung and kidney problems. He`s physically healthy today, but a psychic wreck. 10 of his buddies died because they wanted to save him.
Personally I don`t think God has anything to do with however things like these end. Chile spend 20 Million Dollars and really WANTED to get the guys out. They put all their effort and cleverness into it. And don`t forget - the circumstances were really good. In Austria they had pressure problems, they could have never done what was technically possible in Chile (good geology, hard rocks etc.).
A whole nation (Chile) stood behind this project and got their buddies back. Congratulations Chile.
Sandra
Very true. Most of the time things go very badly. All the more reason to be thankful to the men and women who pull off a successful rescue.
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