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I just bought your Beatles fakebook disk. Before buying I read your "README first" page
https://www.nortonmusic.com/fake.html
and saw that "Norton Music Fake Disks contain chord progressions only..." which is what I wanted as that's how I intended to use the SGU files the songs are delivered as - i.e. open in BIAB and try different band styles / instrument substitutions. I purchased, downloaded and in BIAB (2020) I opened "You've got to hide your love away". All the styles were midi styles. I tried changing the guitars to Realtracks. None will play except one of them, for a couple bars in the chorus.
Am I doing something wrong? There was nothing on your site I saw that led me to believe these wouldn't work. Love to get this fixed as I'm around $44 lighter. Grateful for a remedy

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I'm sure Notes Norton will assist you to resolve this. Send him a PM perhaps, referencing this thread.


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Just in case he's not visiting here for a few days, Notes also responds very quickly to the contact email on his website...


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Originally Posted by lingyai
I just bought your Beatles fakebook disk. Before buying I read your "README first" page
https://www.nortonmusic.com/fake.html
and saw that "Norton Music Fake Disks contain chord progressions only..." which is what I wanted as that's how I intended to use the SGU files the songs are delivered as - i.e. open in BIAB and try different band styles / instrument substitutions. I purchased, downloaded and in BIAB (2020) I opened "You've got to hide your love away". All the styles were midi styles. I tried changing the guitars to Realtracks. None will play except one of them, for a couple bars in the chorus.
Am I doing something wrong? There was nothing on your site I saw that led me to believe these wouldn't work. Love to get this fixed as I'm around $44 lighter. Grateful for a remedy

Should be possible to pick a few Realtrack guitars that fit the Timing and Rhythm of the song and put those on the Utility Tracks, the Eye icon near the Mixer Patches, click on it and add a few Utility tracks, then pick your Realtrack guitars, you can always mute any tracks in the Norton style that you don't want.

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Busy week, sorry for the delay.

Thanks for your purchase, and sorry you are having a problem.

Yes, everything is in MIDI. Why?
1) If the style is in MIDI, the BiaB bot will recommend a Real Style
2) But if the style is Real, the BiaB bot will NOT recommend a MIDI style.
Therefore, assigning a MIDI style is the only way to get a recommendation for both Real and MIDI.

As for why they aren't playing when changing to Real, that's a mystery.

I just tried it on my copy of BiaB, and they are playing just fine.

Try this:
Download https://www.nortonmusic.com/bb/bob's_blues_01.SGU ... play it with zzjazz.sty, and see if it works after you change the MIDI style to a Real Style.

What is my thinking? It's a very simple 12 bar blues song, with nothing fancy, no shots, no pushes, no melody, or anything else fancy. It was made/saved in BiaB with one of my MIDI styles, which your computer probably doesn't have, and it should revert to zzjazz.sty. So the only variable would be changing to the default style when loading something with a Norton style.

Let me know if you can change this to a Real Style and if it plays or not.

I have some other ideas, but this would be my first troubleshooting step if it happened on my computer. So let me know and we'll go from there.

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I tried changing the guitars to Realtracks. None will play except one of them, for a couple bars in the chorus.
Notes, he is trying to use a Real Track!

Midi plays fine with new RS, but does not swap the midi for RTs (which it should. right?). When I then try to substitute a single RT for piano, the Piano track after generation is blank.

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I understand that lingyai is trying to substitute a real track for a MIDI track.

I see no reason why he cannot, and nobody else has ever reported this problem with any of my fake e-disk sgu files.

I don't have 2020 anymore, and I suspect it might be a bug in his version, but I want to rule out any possibility that it might be my sgu's fault before I involve PG Music. The techs at PG have enough work, so I want to make sure I'm not wasting their time.

If the little test I suggested fails, I have one more test in mind that I think would completely eliminate my work.

On the other hand, if I find out it's something I did, I'll do my best to fix it.


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I ran your little test with current 2026 and it does not appear to be working. It is not just your test file, I have other old .sgu midi style files which also have this same issue. Just sayin...

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Originally Posted by DrDan
I ran your little test with current 2026 and it does not appear to be working. It is not just your test file, I have other old .sgu midi style files which also have this same issue. Just sayin...

This is very confusing. I just ran your test file. I replaced the MIDI bass and piano tracks with RTs and everything was fine. I also tried an old 2006 SGU and it worked fine there also. I wonder if this is machine and/or RT specific?

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Confusing, yes indeed - this is BIAB after all smile. I fully agree that are a lot of potential options for configuration issues here. Midi is playing, it plays with a midi style or a real style. What is not playing is audio on a real track when you allow the midi style to auto substitute. Mario, your picutes do not show if there is any Audio on the Audio track which is what the objective is. My picture shows that I placed a RT piano on the piano track and there was no wave in the Tracks view. If I force the style to change to all RTs it works. Its the auto substituion which failes to switch to real tracks.

I am sure it is something simple here. grin


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Originally Posted by DrDan
Confusing, yes indeed - this is BIAB after all smile. I fully agree that are a lot of potential options for configuration issues here. Midi is playing, it plays with a midi style or a real style. What is not playing is audio on a real track when you allow the midi style to auto substitute. Mario, your picutes do not show if there is any Audio on the Audio track which is what the objective is. My picture shows that I placed a RT piano on the piano track and there was no wave in the Tracks view. If I force the style to change to all RTs it works. Its the auto substituion which failes to switch to real tracks.

I am sure it is something simple here. grin

Hi Dan,
Well I am confused again, probably my age old eyes and brain again! I thought that the OM could not get RTs to play when they replaced MIDI tracks.

Originally Posted by lingyai
.................................... I purchased, downloaded and in BIAB (2020) I opened "You've got to hide your love away". All the styles were midi styles. I tried changing the guitars to Realtracks. None will play except one of them, for a couple bars in the chorus.

In both of my tests the RTs did play and they played exactly what was shown in notation. BUT like you proved the audio tracks so not show in the tracks view. That happened in both of my tests. IMHO that is a major bug.

In another test I set the tempo to 40 BPM and replaced the bass and piano tracks with 140 BPM RTs. They also played
but didn't sound so good ( :D) and again with no audio track views. Thus picking the wrong BPM RTs is not the issue.

I think the OP should clarify. Also I hope others try to duplicate the issue(s)


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In both of my tests the RTs did play and they played exactly what was shown in notation. BUT like you proved the audio tracks do not show in the tracks view. That happened in both of my tests. IMHO that is a major bug.

Ya, but when the tracks do not appear in track view, we are not hearing audio - it is just midi playing at that point. Thanks for helping confirm the issue. smirk.


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Originally Posted by DrDan
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In both of my tests the RTs did play and they played exactly what was shown in notation. BUT like you proved the audio tracks do not show in the tracks view. That happened in both of my tests. IMHO that is a major bug.

Ya, but when the tracks do not appear in track view, we are not hearing audio - it is just midi playing at that point. Thanks for helping confirm the issue. smirk.

I am not that familiar with this portion of BiaB. I was looking at the Audio Edit view and not the track view. I took an all MIDI style, copied the piano track 2 times, and in the bass track used a Sax RT. In one piano track I used a piano RT and in another track a guitar RT. No RT track showed in the track view. BUT when I hit regenerate the audio tracks showed and they played; see pic. Apparently you must hit regenerate for the audio to show and play. I have the SGU file if you are interested in hearing it.

Would you confirm this?

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Yes, the track view will show a green name for the instrument, but will not show the actual waveform or play the RT until it is "generated". However, it should regenerate automatically with this type of change when you hit run. But otherwise, what ii is doing is anyones guess here. We should not be seeing this discrepancy with substituting a midi style with a style containing RTs or just by replacing a midi track with a RT - This simple function has worked effortlesslly for years as Notes indicated grin. I will alert the developers about this thread and ask them to help prioritize a fix.
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Originally Posted by DrDan
Yes, the track view will show a green name for the instrument, but will not show the actual waveform or play the RT until it is "generated". However, it should regenerate automatically with this type of change when you hit run. But otherwise, what ii is doing is anyones guess here. We should not be seeing this discrepancy with substituting a midi style with a style containing RTs or just by replacing a midi track with a RT - This simple function has worked effortlesslly for years as Notes indicated grin. I will alert the developers about this thread and ask them to help prioritize a fix.
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Yes, I totally agree.
Thanx for both alerting the developers and for helping me understand more about BiaB. I've never changes MIDI to RTs before today so this have been an education for me!


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I just remembered what Notes and the OP said, "... I purchased, downloaded and in BIAB (2020)". Makes me nervious that our assumption that there is a problem with current 2026 may be missing something yet. crazy Nevertheless, the developers have been alerted.


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Originally Posted by DrDan
I just remembered what Notes and the OP said, "... I purchased, downloaded and in BIAB (2020)". Makes me nervious that our assumption that there is a problem with current 2026 may be missing something yet. crazy Nevertheless, the developers have been alerted.

It would be really nice if someone who has replaced a MIDI track with a RT in previous versions of BiaB would chime in, however maybe that person doesn't exist.


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Well, 10+ years ago, when I was a hardcore jazzer, I did this hundreds of times. Am obviously a bit rusty, but when I just tried to convert a MIDI jazz track to a RealStyle, it worked like I remembered: The MIDI backing instruments are replaced by RealTracks and the MIDI melody, if present, is preserved as MIDI. There ARE some weird volume disparity issues that I can't explain, but I'm using a different VSTi now than I was then, too, so that might be related...

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Thanks, DrDan for alerting the developers and to Ron, Mario, and others for helping.

I wish the OP would rejoin the conversation, as it might help with his personal situation.

I'm not much of a RealTrack guy, I prefer the editability of the MIDI tracks. I just check to see that they are working with my efforts.

With MIDI I can export to a sequencer/DAW and change instruments, chord inversions, drum kits, drum instruments (for example, rimshot to clave), individual notes, and so on. Plus I can make my own intros/endings, change the groove, add song-specific figures and/or kicks, eliminate/change/remove drum rolls, and so much more.

For me, expression is much more important than tone, and I can manipulate MIDI files to get more or more personal expression out of the music.

But then, I like editing, not everybody does.


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With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!

These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!

This Free Bonus PAK includes:

  • The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK: -For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles. -For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles. -For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
  • MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
  • Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
  • Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
  • Playable RealTracks Set 5
  • RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
  • SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
  • iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
  • 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
  • FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
  • MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
  • Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
  • Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
  • RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
  • SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)

Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!

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