OK, lets try one more time. First do a return to factory settings (always first thing when BIAB does not do what it is supposed to do), Then set configurations in the following two screens. I think that is what the OP is looking for and I think it now works (for the most part) .
I can get it almost fully working with the selections I show below, (i.e., replace midi style with Real Style and/or just replace individual midi tracks with real tracks), but I still see things which just don't seem correct! some substituted RTs are blank and I don't know why (Bob, are you doing something unque to that piano track in your midi?). Let the buyer beware.
I'm not much of a RealTrack guy, I prefer the editability of the MIDI tracks. I just check to see that they are working with my efforts.
With MIDI I can export to a sequencer/DAW and change instruments, chord inversions, drum kits, drum instruments (for example, rimshot to clave), individual notes, and so on. Plus I can make my own intros/endings, change the groove, add song-specific figures and/or kicks, eliminate/change/remove drum rolls, and so much more.
For me, expression is much more important than tone, and I can manipulate MIDI files to get more or more personal expression out of the music.
That is exactly why I do most all of my work in MIDI. Occasionally I will use an RT or RD but 99.99% of my work is in MIDI.
Originally Posted by Notes Norton
But then, I like editing, not everybody does.
Same here. I much prefer MIDI editing over audio editing.
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<< It would be really nice if someone who has replaced a MIDI track with a RT in previous versions of BiaB would chime in, however maybe that person doesn't exist. >>
I've done this for years and using Note's test, RealTracks performed normally on my system.
<< In both of my tests the RTs did play and they played exactly what was shown in notation. BUT like you proved the audio tracks so not show in the tracks view. That happened in both of my tests. IMHO that is a major bug. >>
This is correct, but not quite. The RT's play but not the original imported midi data. The RT does not read and sound the imported midi. Generating the RT creates new midi data and that is what's being played and displayed in notation or the piano roll. The audio and midi is new midi data and will change and update with regeneration or partial regeneration.
To prompt a RT to play the original midi data that was imported from a midi song file requires using the Playable RealTracks Feature. A SuperMidi track also can sound out the original data but I encountered issues closing the file and also had to manually display the tracks as they were hidden once the SuperMidi instrument loaded.
A special note to Notes (and Mario and others): The Playable RealTracks concept was introduced in BIAB with a video tutorial in 2011 and updated to include user made UserTracks in 2014 along with the introduction of the Artist Performance File, a variation of a UserTrack but is proprietary to BIAB. This allowed RealTrack and audio editing in BIAB at the same level of midi editing.
I called these custom tracks "Combination Tracks" before Playable RealTracks was introduced in 2022. You may want to consider a deeper dive into this advanced, long time feature that's been virtually overlooked. I have a YouTube video posted in early 2018 of a cover of the Doobie Brothers "Listen to the Music" where a RealTrack modified to feature their signature acoustic guitar lick if you or others want to check a conceptual "Combination Track" out. Listen to the Music BIAB Combination Track
<...snip...? (Bob, are you doing something unque to that piano track in your midi?). <...>
No, nothing unique.
It's a BiaB sgu.
I entered the chords in the BiaB matrix. C in bar 1 -- F7 in bar 5 -- C in bar 7 -- G7 in bar 9 -- F7 in bar 10 -- and C in bar 11. ---- repeat 6 times and a C on bar 13, the ending. Then I chose a style.
Every chord was entered on the first beat of the measure with no pushes, holds, rests or anything else that may be optional.
It's the most basic 12 bar blues progression - without even a turn around. Nothing fancy at all. In the song setting button, "Allow Realtracks substitution based on tempo" is checked.
Have you tried more than one Realtrack substitution? If so, does it exhibit the flawed results with every Realtrack you tried?
Note: I made this file on an old version of BiaB. I do that to make sure they run on older versions. Since BiaB has excellent backwards compatibility of sgu (and other) files it should play on any version of BiaB still out there.
Last edited by Notes Norton; Yesterday at06:01 AM. Reason: TYPO: I'm TYPOMAN - writing all wrongs. :D
Thanks for the clarification Notes - I was pretty confident in that.
Once I report a finding to the developers I stop digging since it is only a bug when they determine it needs to be fix. As we all now, that can take some time. Otherwise, everything Charlie mentions is likely true, but does not address the finding we reported.
..................................... Have you tried more than one Realtrack substitution? If so, does it exhibit the flawed results with every Realtrack you tried? ................................
Yes I did try a number of different RTs and they all preformed exactly like Dan said: "Yes, the track view will show a green name for the instrument, but will not show the actual waveform or play the RT until it is "generated". However, it should regenerate automatically with this type of change when you hit run. But otherwise, what ii is doing is anyones guess here. We should not be seeing this discrepancy with substituting a midi style with a style containing RTs or just by replacing a midi track with a RT - This simple function has worked effortlesslly for years as Notes indicated grin. I will alert the developers about this thread and ask them to help prioritize a fix. Dan"
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