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Back in 2020 I bought Coyote Forte DXI.
Today, I upgraded my 2021 BiaB to the 2026 version.
Can/Should I still install Coyote Forte DXI? Should I use it, or something different?
Don't know that much about MIDI, as you can probably guess.
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I *think that DXi was 32 bit and may not work anymore.
I could be wrong.
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Coyote Forte DXI Is ancient history. Not sure that a 64bit version was ever released. Here’s a tech note from 2018 on DXI synths and BIAB. 2018 was the transition year from 32bit to 64bit for BIAB. DXI and BIAB Tutorial
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OK, so I guess what I have is a dinosaur.
Given that fact, what should I be using now?
Thanks for your help.
Michael.
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I can't advise -
When I need GM I just use my hardware synths GM banks
I mean Coyote WT is still included but it's pretty basic/tinny
There are still some software GM synths but they need to be set up usually with a GM soundbank
There are free options, hopefully others speak up
SynthFont may be one
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Given that fact, what should I be using now?
Michael. PGM provides a full updated License for "Synthfont - VSTSynthFont64". When you install this you will likely have to chose a "Soundfont" file. I don't recall what is provided as a default, but you can find these SF files via google. They are generally free. I recommoned Coyote Forte GM.sf2 which is 64 bit. If you have trouble finding it, send me a PM. Exact same sounds as your old 32 bit Coryote Forte.
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Thanks all. Will get this sorted now.
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PGM provides a full updated License for "Synthfont - VSTSynthFont64". When you install this you will likely have to chose a "Soundfont" file. I don't recall what is provided as a default, but you can find these SF files via google. They are generally free. I recommend Coyote Forte GM.sf2 which is 64 bit. If you have trouble finding it, send me a PM. Exact same sounds as your old 32 bit Coyote Forte wave table. The VSTSynthFont64 installer adds the GMGSx.sf2 and GMGSx2.sf2 files to the default VST plugins folder and defaults to GMGSx.sf2. I don't know what the difference is between the two. I have an SF2 folder on an external SSD with some other SF2 soundfont files. You can point VSTSynthFont64 to any of them via the Files & Folders tab in Options. While I was bookmarking the SynthFont home and downloads pages, I noticed that there was a minor update available. I had v3.612 installed, so I d/l'd v3.613 and installed it. I also want to point out that it can be used in other VST-compatible apps, like Gig Performer and all 3 of my DAWs (Reaper, Bitwig Studio and Studio Pro). When you click on the "Show registration info" button in Options, it says "Courtesy of Band-in-a-Box".  SynthFont home page SynthFont downloads pageHere's a video comparing 5 different soundfonts playing the same MIDI. There are download links in the video description. The Omega GMGS2.sf2 soundfont is the 24-bit version of the Colombo GMGS2.sf2 16-bit soundfont. The 5th soundfont download link doesn't do anything, but I d/l'd the other 4.
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Thanks all. Will get this sorted now. Check out the info I posted above (links to the latest VSTSynthFont 64 VST and some excellent soundbanks).
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I guess I’m in way over my head.
I probably should clarify what I’m trying to do here.
I probably won’t write any midi music in real band.
What I probably will do is write music in band in a box and then move that over to real band for further attention. (“Butchery” might be a better word.😝)
So I might end up working with mid files or real tracks or both in Real Band.
To date, I installed the VST 64 item that was mentioned.
I guess there’s another step called “sound fonts“. I didn’t do that yet because I don’t know if that will make a difference to what I am doing. Does it?
So let’s say I get the sound fonts issue all sorted out. I imagine I have to set the midi output settings or something somewhere.
If that’s the case, exactly how would I change those settings. They seem pretty complicated and confusing to a layman.
Thanks again for your responses and patience.
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Let me say this.... learning and understanding and applying midi synth sounds in BIAB midi was one of the most significant things I learned. I highly recomend you make this a priority. It is not complicated and confusing once you figure it out and the rewards that follow are well worth the time and effort. Will this make a difference, hell yes! We are talking about the sound quality of what you are listening to. Midi can sound like a pipe-organ at the circus or it can sound like a lush and vibrant piano. If you have installed the SythnFont 64, you now need to set it as your Default Synth in BIAB. [OPTIONS - midi audio driver setup - Use VST/Dxi Synth - Route midi thru to midi driver- Select the VST/DXi Synth]. This should open the Synthfont GIU where you can set what SF files you have. If you get stuck after this point let me know and I will creat a video... ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=32439&filename=Screenshot 2026-03-26 124139.jpg)
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Here is how far I got.
Under midi/audio driver set up in the upper right corner. It says coyote wave table DXI.
But down further on the right side about halfway it says VSTI/DXI Synth [synth font: VSTsynth font64]
When I open that Grey GUI shown in your sketch it does not show gm.sf2 like yours. Instead it says: GM.DLS in the “sound source file column.
So I must be missing something.
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Two quick things. 1) Pay no attention to "...Under midi/audio driver set up in the upper right corner. It says coyote wave table DXI" Once you check the two boxs below that BIAB will only use what you have selected in the box under the checks " VSTI/DXI Synth [synth font: VSTsynth font64"
2) sounds like you have the The VST synth GUI open ("grey GUI"). So now you need to select a Sound Font file. HIt the "open soundfont" button and point it to the BIAB SF file. BIAB provides options for this in C:\bb\data\libx64. If you want the the Coyote Forte GM.sf2 I would need to send this to you.
If this works now the VSTSynth will become your Default synth for all midi. You will see this in the slot 1 of the mixer for every track.
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It looks like it’s working and thanks so much!
When you start a new song, it seems like something in the mixer window or somewhere should show that indeed you are using the chosen application rather than the default.
Is there somewhere that that shows?
I didn’t have the font that you mentioned, but while I was messing around, I found a font called.
Fluid R3_GM2-2.SF2.
I have no idea as to whether that’s a good one or not. It did sound better than the default, though.
Which one do you think I should ultiy get? I’m not a professional composer or anything like that, but I do like sound that’s more lifelike than a Nintendo game.😝
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