I seem to remember that it was possible to permanently write the Melody track harmony to the Soloist track. I don't have that opeion in BB 2026 although the help details implies that I can. I don't want the Melody midi mixed with the harmony. Any ideas please?
If I copy to the soloist track I haven't achieved what I wanted. The harmony will be part of the midi in the Melody track and I will have the original Melody on the soloist. I could use RB to split them but it seems a lot of trouble. I recall that the solosit track was an option for the destination in the past.
It still is. Use the Utility tracks. When you have the harmony the way you like it, copy it to a Utility track. Do this as often as you need to do to build your song.
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If I want to have melody harmony, on it's own without the melody itself, there is now way to do it (well not that I can see) If I harmonise then this harmony will be availble as the song plays but I don't know if this is actually stored anywhere. To materilais this harmony requires my to have it on the Melody track.
If I want to have melody harmony, on it's own without the melody itself, there is now way to do it (well not that I can see) If I harmonise then this harmony will be availble as the song plays but I don't know if this is actually stored anywhere. To materilais this harmony requires my to have it on the Melody track.
When I tried adding Harmony to the Melody track myself,,,, It put it on two different channels on the melody track....
SO... Using the Edit pulldown menu Select: Copy Special / Copy-MoveTracks. Select the Melody track. Uncheck all of the channels and, then check one to move (leave other unchecked), Under MIDI pick "Move to Destination Track" under AUDIO pick "Do Nothing"... and select the destination track uou want, such as Utility 1.
I've attached a screen shot, hopefully it will appear below.
So something that might be handy to know is this technical note in Chapter 9 of the manual about the Soloist in regards to harmony:
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The Soloist has its own separate channel and settings. But when the Soloist uses a harmony, it becomes linked to the Thru Harmony channels and settings. Since we are already using 12 of the available 16 MIDI channels in Band-in-a-Box, we didn’t want to use up another 2 channels on dedicated Soloist Harmony channels. So, if you want to hear a Soloist with harmony, use the THRU Harmony settings. In other words, wherever a Thru harmony is selected, the Soloist track will use the Thru Harmony settings.
With that in mind, my clarifying question becomes: are you trying to record your own MIDI for the harmony or are you trying to have Band-in-a-Box generate it for you? And if you want it separate from the melody and on the track that's dedicated for the soloist in particular, then the Soloist dialogue may be your answer as it has its own harmony options. Find the SOL button, then the second option in the drop down which is Open Soloist Dialogue to choose MIDI or RealTracks Soloist.
Otherwise, you can do what the others have mentioned in regards to copy/moving tracks around for the different parts until you build-up the sound you like. There is also the option of changing your channels under Options | Preferences | Channels temporarily, but that's not personally an option I like using only because I am forgetful and often don't remember to change it back.
You mentioned—and correct me if I am misunderstanding—that the process you are using requires the harmony be on the Melody track in particular. Is that because you used the Melodist feature or generated it to the Melody track already? It may be helpful for us to know exactly how you created the Melody/Harmony and what each of your steps were so that the best method for what you're trying to achieve can be isolated. Having the full picture can be really useful information. Though generally speaking I do find that the Copy/Move options the others mentioned is the quickest and fastest way to move things around.
Last edited by Ember - PG Music; 04/03/2611:59 AM.
Thank you Ember for all the detail you have provided. I found the whole harmony fearure a bit tricky. I am using BB to generate harmonies. What I'm doing, or ttrying to do, is to create 3 or 4 part harmonies of my melody. The harmonies will be used be differnt instruments in orchestral piece. I use BB quite a lot but not constantly and each time I come back for a session I feel I'm back on the learning curve,
Thank you Ember for all the detail you have provided. I found the whole harmony fearure a bit tricky. I am using BB to generate harmonies. What I'm doing, or ttrying to do, is to create 3 or 4 part harmonies of my melody. The harmonies will be used be differnt instruments in orchestral piece. I use BB quite a lot but not constantly and each time I come back for a session I feel I'm back on the learning curve,
I am glad that the copy/move track option will work for you. I find that's the easiest way to move things around to different tracks. For what it's worth, I wouldn't feel too discouraged—all programs have a learning curve. I've actually been trying to learn more about the latest version of Photoshop after easily a decade of not using it and I'm finding things have changed/been retired/don't work how I remember. We've all been there. The forums here are a great place to get the support as we learn or re-learn things as we go along with newer versions.
I think what I wrote above got lost (Use the Utility tracks. When you have the harmony the way you like it, copy it to a Utility track. Do this as often as you need to do to build your song.) but it really is the key to building arrangements in BIAB. I’m a pro composer and arranger. Since recent versions of BIAB gave us more than the Melody and Soloist tracks, then one Audio track, I can stay in BIAB a lot longer now before I move to my notation program and DAW. As for the learning curve, I look at it this way: I’ve used BIAB commercially for 34 years and I’m glad I can learn something new about it every day because it’s that powerful.
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I've had a play around with the Harmony features, and something seems to be wrong. I've used the Harmony quite a few years ago and saved it to separate MIDI tracks using the ABC settings found under the "Edit" menu in the Harmony window. That no longer seems to works the way that I remember. I write up my results for PG Music and pass them on to the development team.
In the meantime, I'll keep having a play around and see if I can understand it a bit better.
--Noel
P.S. Just to clarify... Am I interpreting you correctly in that you would like BIAB to write the harmony in such a way that each line of harmony can be printed on its own music stave?
Hi Matt, I couldn't agree with you more. There are so many features and so many ways of achieving a particular task before getting the tracks to a DAW. MIDI, XML handling are particulary helpful for me in getting between MuseScore, Live and Reaper.
Noel, that’s good you checked. At one point I knew how BIAB used the 16 MIDI channels. Channel 4 for melody etc. There were I think four channels (perhaps 12-15) that could be used for the harmony that BIAB generated, and there were something like 120 of these preset harmonies (ex. SuperSax). There was a setting to output this BIAB-generated harmony to separate tracks. Beyond that I don’t know. I’m not yet sure what kind of harmony we are talking about here.
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